Fanfiction finally getting public notice!

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Wall Street Journal article
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Rewriting the Rules of Fiction
Amateur authors writing tales about favorite characters are drawing big audiences and landing book deals. Meet Harry Potter's grandparents.
By JOHN JURGENSEN
September 16, 2006; Page P1; Wall Street Journal

She writes about a group of young wizards attending the Hogwarts School. She has legions of readers throughout the world.

Her name is Hannah Jones, and she's 19 years old.

Fan fiction, stories by amateur writers about characters from their favorite books, movies and television shows, was once mainly a fringe pursuit. Now, it's changing the world of fiction, as Internet exposure helps unknown authors find mainstream success. Some Web sites are attracting unprecedented numbers of readers and, in some cases, leading to book deals. They are also feeding the appetites of readers and viewers who can't get enough of shows like "Lost" or "House."

There's a librarian in Rathdrum, Idaho, who spent 10 years posting her writings about a character from Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" online; Simon & Schuster paid her a $150,000 advance to publish the works as a three-novel trilogy. In Brooklyn, N.Y., a free-lance copy editor has become one of the Web's best-known "Lord of the Rings" and "Harry Potter" fan-fiction writers, and has landed a three-book publishing deal for a young-adult fantasy series. When a comic-book store manager in New Jersey decided to take his first stab at fan fiction this year, entering a contest sponsored by Showtime's "The L Word," he got the attention of a literary agent, who signed him last month. And Ms. Jones will soon have her first book published.

One sign of the growing influence of these authors and stories is that media companies, usually quick to go after people who use their copyrighted material, are increasingly leaving fan fiction writers alone. Mindful of the large, loyal audience the writers represent, many companies are adopting an attitude one media professor describes as "benign neglect." While most professional writers say their lawyers advise them not to read fan fiction to protect themselves against charges of plagiarism, some say they check the numbers of fan fiction stories posted about their work regularly as a measure of their success.

The rise of fan fiction is part of the spread of amateur-created content online, from viral videos to music playlists and blogs. Increasingly, audiences have become used to watching videos posted by other users on sites such as YouTube and MySpace. Reading fiction online is another extention of this trend.

Ms. Jones, who has been writing fan fiction since she was about 11 years old, got her start writing about TV shows and movies like "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," but took off in the fan-fiction world when she moved into "Harry Potter." The J.K. Rowling series is by far the biggest source for fan-fiction stories on the Web now, dwarfing franchises such as "Star Wars."

Ms. Jones is best known for a series called "The Shoebox Project," which she writes under the name "Jaida" with a writer named "Rave." The story is a prequel of sorts, focusing on Harry Potter's now deceased parents, along with two other wizards, Remus and Sirius, imagining them as teenage wizards finding themselves in high school during the 1970s. Interspersed in the text of the stories are scrawled notes that look like they were written by the characters themselves.

In one critical turning point in the series, Harry's grandparents are killed by Death Eaters, minions of the dark lord Voldemort -- a plot point that mirrors the killing of Harry's parents, described in Ms. Rowling's series. But Ms. Jones says she was chagrined to learn later about an interview with Ms. Rowling where the author told readers that Harry's grandparents had died of natural causes.

The series, which Ms. Jones began the summer before her freshman year at Barnard College in 2004, is up to 25 sections and the equivalent of 600 pages. While Ms. Jones says it's impossible to track how many individual readers her entries have, nearly 5,000 people have signed up to be automatically notified whenever she posts a new part on LiveJournal.com, the Web community favored by many fan fiction writers. Each installment generates hundreds of reader comments and reviews.

Ms. Jones was contacted by Frank Fradella, an author running his own small independent book-publishing company, New Babel Books, who had read her work on LiveJournal. Next month, he's publishing her first print book, a collection of poetry called "Cinquefoil."

Like virtually all fan fiction, "The Shoebox Project" was created without the permission of the author or publisher. Many authors don't object to the fan-fiction surrounding their work, seeing it as a sign of a devoted audience rather than an act of copyright infringement.

Meg Cabot, author of "The Princess Diaries," says she herself was once a fan-fiction writer, writing stories inspired by Anne McCaffrey's fantasy novels about dragons when she was in high school and college. "I never told anyone. I've started admitting it now," she says. She says she was delighted to discover that her books had inspired hundreds of stories by fans.

Although Ms. Cabot says she occasionally goes online to see the tally of "Princess Diaries" and "Mediator" fan-fiction stories, she says she never reads them. Legal advisers warned that if she did read fan fiction, she'd be opening herself to potential lawsuits from fans who could claim she'd stolen their ideas.

Some authors take a less friendly view of the genre, however. "No matter how flattering, it's still robbery," says fantasy novelist Chelsea Quinn Yarbro, whose vampire works have inspired a number of fan-fiction writers. She estimates that her attorney has sent out about 20 "cease and desist" letters to writers and owners of fan sites. Ms. Yarbro says this has caused some of the writers and sites to take their stories down.

For much of its history, fan fiction centered on the science-fiction and comic-book worlds. While the subject matter of fan fiction has expanded greatly, to include everything from "Desperate Housewives" to the Bible, the genre has several entrenched tropes. Many stories take the form of prequels, imagining the back stories of central characters. Crossover fantasies also have long been a key element of fan fiction, pairing characters from different books or shows.

"Shippers" (the term is believed to be derived from "relationship") are writers that explore -- and often invent -- relationships between characters. A subgenre of this is "slash," which creates gay relationships between characters such as Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock from "Star Trek." Slash fiction is often sexually graphic, and fan fiction's association with slash has made some mainstream authors and TV networks wary of it.

Increasingly, however, media companies, undeterred by the stigma of slash, are looking for ways to capitalize on fan fiction and its large audience. A company called FanLib is working with networks and publishers to create fan-fiction promotions and contests for books and TV shows.

FanLib recently launched a romance-writing contest with HarperCollins's Avon imprint. "We're looking for ways to reach the real core readers," says Liate Stehlik, Avon's senior vice president and publisher. To avoid copyright problems, they had writers create chapters of a novel from scratch, instead of basing them on one particular book.

FanLib's first high-profile project was a fan writing contest earlier this year devoted to "The L Word," a Showtime drama about a group of lesbian characters. FanLib Chief Executive Chris Williams says that 20,000 people registered on the contest site, where one of the show's writers assigned scenes.

The possibility of being discovered was a motivation for aspiring novelist Ervin Anderson, who was one of the seven contest winners and the only male to win. The manager of a comic shop outside Philadelphia called Fat Jake's Comicrypt, Mr. Anderson, 35, works on his own fiction at night. He was a casual watcher of "The L Word," but when the contest was announced in the spring, he saw it as chance to get an audience with industry professionals. In the second week of the contest, voters picked one of his scenes, which touched on eating disorders and mental illness. "Being a straight male, I wasn't sure I could compete. But everyone was very welcoming," he says.

With press clippings about the "L Word" contest in hand, he met with a literary agent and signed a contract in July. He's also entered the HarperCollins contest, and has read four romance novels by popular author Julia Quinn to prepare. "As a struggling writer, you've got to take advantage of every opportunity afforded to you. You really never know where your break is going to come from," he says.

At the same time, however, many fan-fiction writers shield their identities online and keep their pursuit secret from friends and colleagues. Meredith Elliott, who works at a theater company in Vancouver, British Columbia, has a following for her writings based on the TV show "House," but has only told her mother about her hobby.

"There's a sense of guilt. I always feel that I should not be using somebody else's characters and should be doing my own writing," she says. "But then I remember I am doing my own writing."

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So, a question to all the authors hereabouts: what do you think of this?
 
I am pleased by this article... and somewhat vindicated. At the same time, though, I'm bankrupt of inspiration for fanfic right now, so I'm not doing any more of it. When I get the right idea and amount of time, I may do something else- maybe more original. We'll see. :)
 
The closest I've ever come to liking fanfic was the books FASA Corporation put out set in their BattleTech™ universe. And even then only the ones by Michael J. Stackpole.

I only ever read one decent Star Trek novel, and the main characters were all Klingons. Bones grandfather mentioned changing Bones diapers and Spock played chess with the main character. Every other novel I read was pretty much dreck.

I think fanfic is rather a bit of a cheat myself. The characters and world are pretty much set up. There's no discovery. The plot has to stay within accepted parameters. It does please the rabid fans but they're easy to please.

I'd rather the writer worked for his fan base. And his money.
 
Rob, if I may dissent, fanfic writers do work very hard. If they do it right, anyway. I've done fanfic for years, and I have seen a lot of writers who do utter dreck, but the ones who I remember and value are the ones who get original, who do things well, who take steps others never considered because they felt they had to "follow the canon plot." These are the ones who write good stories. I like to think I'm among them. :)

Also, I should note, I have gone through a process of discovery many times when I've done fanfic stories and used many original ideas. The basic identity concepts of the characters I've used were not created by me, that is true, but the direction in which I took them is. Example- Kitty Pryde was a swinger and strong woman in my X-Men story. In every other X-Men erotic fanfic story I've seen about her, she's always a naive virgin type. I took the road less traveled. And for doing so, I have been both praised and damned.

Regarding pleasing the rabid fans, that's not as easy as you think. When I put out my X-Men story, you'd be surprised how much hate mail I got from rabid fans looking to correct me about how I should have made Magneto keep his powers. I told them it worked better for the story I wanted to write to have him lose his powers, plus it fit film continuity. I never got a response to that from a single one- which I'm guessing means they've accepted that we all see different visions. A similar thing happened to the Harry Potter writer mentioned in the article. She wrote the death of Harry's grandparents one way, JK Rowling did it another. You can imagine where things went from there. In fanfic, there is no set way of "this works." It's just like with any story- you do what you can make work for you as a writer and what you hope will work for your audience. The rest is up to reaction and time.

I don't consider fanfic a cop-out at all. I put a lot of work into it, and I did very original things I had never seen done before. Even when what I did wasn't completely original, I worked very hard to give it my own spin. And I am proud to have created the stories I did, no matter what anyone thinks of them. Also, for the record, I will never sue any writer for plagarism if they end up creating work similar to mine. I value the gift of their vision too much for that, and I also realize that their vision is theirs, mine is mine. We're blind men groping the same elephant- we aren't going to see it the same way. :cool:
 
Fanfic Recommendations-

All these stories are strong, original, and well-developed despite being fanfic. Check them out, they rock.

On Literotica- The Celebrity stories of Carnage Jackson, FallingToFly, MindFiend, WhisperStory, and AuroraBlack. Also the Fairy Tale fanfics done by RedHairedandFriendly.

The Harem series by KMB. Some chapters are on Lit, others can be found at www.C-S-S-A.com

Around the World in 80 Babes, also on www.C-S-S-A.com

The Gargoyles fanfic of Christine Morgan, best found at www.eskimo.com/~vecna

The Dark Knight Returns, by Frank Miller (pick up at your local comic book store)

Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men series (ditto)

Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels

These are the best examples of fanfic I've found from the web and the mainstream. There are many other great ones out there, if you know where to look.
 
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See, I have to side with Achtung Night on this, as I have been writing fanfic for a couple years now. I have, in order, done Harry Potter, Anita Blake, Merry Gentry, HIM, The Crow, and started a novel based on Shadowrun's beautifully twisted world.

Before that, I wrote VtM/WoD fiction that was- if not fanfiction- most certainly based on a world others had created. I currently have the only acknowledged Sabbat Tremere in existence, and all of my VtM work centered around her, and the household she created for herself over seven rather tumultuous centuries of life.

My Harry Potter stories did use JK Rowling's world, and some of her characters, but they didn't center around Harry and his friends, for the most part. I did a four-part novel length story that includied Snape, Harry, and Draco- but also incorporated a very, very strong and central character of my own devising, who was the catalyst for everything else that happened. An entirely different series of stories focused on what became of Draco when all was said and done. Still others had nothing to do with the characters Rowling introduced, and focused instead on Hogwarts students that I created.

My Anita Blake and Merry Gentry fanfic were crossovers- dragging my VtM characters into Laurell K Hamilton's world. They were amusing, slyly insulting, and slightly macabre. My Shadowrun story and my Crow stories (I have two) are both deadly serious and original fiction, with only the basis of the series they were inspired from brought into play. The Crow: The Lady in the Lake, especially, I am very seriously considering sending to the publisher of that series.

Fanfiction writers are writers. They work very hard, and tend to be very dedicated. Most of us ignore canon as much as possible, and instead craft a story that we consider to be entertainment for our readers. My HIM fanfic is a good example of that- I have two fanfic novels currently in progress, both of which are what a particular fan wanted to see, and she is immensely pleased with them. If others enjoy them as well, so much the better, I have no objection to sharing them.

Fanfic got me back into writing after a three year slump. without Down To You, I never would have started working on my original pieces again. Butterfly Wings would be a distant dream. A Certain Way would have never been thought of. The PLaylists stories would be so much dust in the wind. And i would be miserable, as I was before I had my daily stretch in the world of fantasy and fallacy to look forward to.

As a career- I can't say I'd recommend it. One of the strictest rules that fanfiction writers en masse hold to is our inability to make a proffit from our work. It is for entertainment purposes only. Disclaimers are a requirement across the board at any respectable fanfic site. All of my fanfic on Lit adheres to that rule- it has a disclaimer stating that this is FICTION, nver happened and never would, and that I make no claims on the celebs I steal the likeness of to play with.

Some of the best stories I've ever read are fanfic. Riley's hermione/Snape pairing of Pawn To Queen instantly springs to mind, as does Sex in the City, which is a Merry Gentry fanfic. Both authors have immense talent, and wrote stories so incredibly real and engaging that I hated to get to the end. One of my favorite fanfic authors, DreamsInFiction, writes the most amazing celeb stories, epic ones. She currently has at least ten novel-length stories going, and most are over 100 chapters.

Fanfic is generally looked down on- which is a shame. A lot of people miss some great stories simply by ignoring this category. And, of course, they miss out on the great categories within the genre; PWP, Angstfic, Darkfic, AU, hurt/comfort, slash, one-offs, songfics, etc. Granted, there's as much bad as good out there, but that's true in regular fiction as well.
 
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FanFic has it's plusses and minusses IMO.
For myself, I will only be interested in the fiction if I was already interested in the fandom. This is probably because most fanfic writers feel no need to introduce their characters to their readers- as, indeed, why should they?
This drops a lot of excellent work below my horizons. I have a dear friend who writes Harry Potter fanfic, and does it- you might not be surprised to hear that I think this- better than JKR does. But when I read it, my eyes glaze over and I lose interest real quick. I cannot summon up any sympathy for this particular Soap Opera-With-Wands. And I just get SO mad at her, because if only she wrote what I wanted to read, she would be making me so happy! ;)

Fanfic- at its best- is a joy to read, though. The creative juices of one author will never compare to the sympathetic imaginations of myriads of intelligent readers. These fans can fill in the cracks in a personality. They can offer insights, expand on little vignettes and give them significance, create whole new rooms in the mansions of the original work. Fanfic can twist a character that you thought you knew into a new configuration. Fanfic can add immeasurably to the gestalt, the legend. If we had not had so very many people writing the old legends and inventing new ones, where would Robin Hood be now? Cuchullain? King Arthur? Ganesha? All of those revered old texts were exactly fan fiction. Shakespeare wrote fanfic, when he appropriated Oberon and Titiana from Edmund Spenser's "The Fairie Queene".

Unfortunatly, we can't all of us be Shakespeare... And Copyright laws being what they are..
And, that last dreadful bugaboo- the utterly incompetent writing of too-young fans...
back in MY day (she raises her quavering old voice and hobbles a few steps closer to her horrified audience) we kept our first, crappy, learning drabbles in our spiral-bound notebooks, where it belonged. We didn't go throwing everything onto the internet for world-wide perusal. We WAITED, dammit- untill we were better at our writing, and untill the internet was invented. :cool:
 
Stella- You said it all. :)

And for the record, most of the time when I include a celebrity or someone else's character in my work, I plug their backstory a bit to help readers not in the know become more familiar with them. I find it aids the story and advertises the character's other work all in one. :D
 
AchtungNight said:
Stella- You said it all. :)

And for the record, most of the time when I include a celebrity or someone else's character in my work, I plug their backstory a bit to help readers not in the know become more familiar with them. I find it aids the story and advertises the character's other work all in one. :D
Which is part of what makes you a good FF writer :rose:
 
I think the article is positive.

I don't write fanfiction because...well...I just don't remember all the details to write full length stories at the quality I enjoy. I will do SRP/ORPs that are fanfiction where I can depend on other writers to help me.

I do love to read fanfiction short stories and novels. I love having the ability to read more about specific minor characters in series I like. So, to those of you who do it and do it well, I enjoy reading your work. I think it is harder to write to someone's world then to create your own at times :heart: So, hooray for more attention to this group of writers.
 
FallingToFly said:
Before that, I wrote VtM/WoD fiction that was- if not fanfiction- most certainly based on a world others had created. I currently have the only acknowledged Sabbat Tremere in existence, and all of my VtM work centered around her, and the household she created for herself over seven rather tumultuous centuries of life.

:eek: You realize that means you may have written fanfic of stuff I wrote. :eek:

Does this mean we have to start fighting, or something? :D

(But then, there are otherkin who think they are reincarnations of characters me and my friends made up.)
 
Stella_Omega said:
Which is part of what makes you a good FF writer :rose:

Thanks.

I should note- I first discovered Jamie Lynn Sliger (aka Meadow Soprano) through an erotic celebrity fanfic in which she appeared (Harem Ch. 14). I have since become a big fan of her and the Sopranos. Fanfic can work as advertising- who knew? :D
 
I've always considered fanfic as a dodge, maybe something that might be useful as an exercise for a beginning writer who doesn't have the technique (or the talent, perhaps) to create compelling characters and situations of their own.

I mean, really, if you're writing a Buffy story or whatever, using characters and the rich narrative of a team of highly-paid creative writers as your backstory, how original can it be?

Here's an idea. Create your own characters that live and breathe. Write compelling storylines. Learn about plot and story arc. Don't ride on the coattails of someone who's more creative and a better writer than you are. Learn to do it yourself.
 
Seattle Zack said:
I've always considered fanfic as a dodge, maybe something that might be useful as an exercise for a beginning writer who doesn't have the technique (or the talent, perhaps) to create compelling characters and situations of their own.

I mean, really, if you're writing a Buffy story or whatever, using characters and the rich narrative of a team of highly-paid creative writers as your backstory, how original can it be?

Here's an idea. Create your own characters that live and breathe. Write compelling storylines. Learn about plot and story arc. Don't ride on the coattails of someone who's more creative and a better writer than you are. Learn to do it yourself.
You consider as do many people. And for many reasons you are right, at that.

But it has its own charm, and there are compelling reasons to write fan fic even for seasoned writers- My favorite example as I mentioned above- is old Bill Shaksper himself.
Edgar Allen Poe wrote in the style of Lord Dunsany, and so did H.P. Lovecraft.

and in my opinion, not every writer is "more creative and a better writer than you are" some are merely luckier. J.K. Rowling, I consider one of the sloppier writers to have ever gained the attentions of the adoring millions. I know of half-a-dozen members of her fandom who could write circles around her.

The only problem for me is that- I don't read their stories because HP bores the crap outta me...
 
Oh God! I may have written fanfic.

Georges Belleveau started existence as a character I put together for a V:TM game I never played.

I'm so ashamed. ;)
 
Well "writing in the style of" is a little different from stealing copyrighted characters and using them in your own little town play.

As far as J.K. Rowlings lacking mechanical talent, one could say the same thing about Grisham, Brown, Koontz, Clancy, take your pick. They were there at the right time with original characters and situations which captured the public interest. Therefore, they were successful.

Talent in writing, as with any business endeavor, is no guarantee of success. Timing is everything.
 
FanFic is a cop out. You steal someone elses characters, fully developed and stuff them in your own story. Did you do any character development? Did you imagine the setting, relationships and so on in your own mind?

I think it's a sort of low level plagurism that assasinates the work done by a writer who spent their time doing the work you are stealing.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
FanFic is a cop out. You steal someone elses characters, fully developed and stuff them in your own story. Did you do any character development? Did you imagine the setting, relationships and so on in your own mind?

For the record, I did do all that. Every time. And thus, it felt more like honor and flattery than plagarism. {sighs} Of course, this is only my humble opinion.
 
Plagiarism. Christ, if you're gonna argue about it, at least spell it right. Otherwise, you're just proving the argument against.
 
Seattle Zack said:
Well "writing in the style of" is a little different from stealing copyrighted characters and using them in your own little town play.
I want so badly to tell you that William Shakespear stole the quarrel of Oberon and Titania from Edmund Spenser's "The Fairie Queene"- but I can't find the source for my remembrance, and neither can I find my copy of Spenser around the house...

I can assert however, that Will indulged in a common fan-fic habit when he endowed Queen Hippolyta with a "fair sister Emily" in that same play.

He adapted King Lear from existing works, notably Geofffrey of Monmouth's version, written in the 12th century, five hundred years before old Bill...

His own character, Sir John Falstaff, was fanfic-ed by Guiseppe Verdi, in the opera Falstaff, by Ralph Vaughan Williams in an opera titled "Sir John in Love", by Orson Welles in his movie "Chimes at midnight"and by Gus Van Zant, in the character Bob in "My Private Idaho".

well, more tomorrow... G'night...
 
Seattle Zack said:
I've always considered fanfic as a dodge, maybe something that might be useful as an exercise for a beginning writer who doesn't have the technique (or the talent, perhaps) to create compelling characters and situations of their own.

I mean, really, if you're writing a Buffy story or whatever, using characters and the rich narrative of a team of highly-paid creative writers as your backstory, how original can it be?

Here's an idea. Create your own characters that live and breathe. Write compelling storylines. Learn about plot and story arc. Don't ride on the coattails of someone who's more creative and a better writer than you are. Learn to do it yourself.

Jenny_Jackson said:
FanFic is a cop out. You steal someone elses characters, fully developed and stuff them in your own story. Did you do any character development? Did you imagine the setting, relationships and so on in your own mind?

I think it's a sort of low level plagurism that assasinates the work done by a writer who spent their time doing the work you are stealing.

Christ alight. It's a great and simple way to spot the people whom have never written good fanfiction; they tell you it's 'easy' or a 'cheat.'

Trust me, good fanfiction is much much harder than normal fiction.

You've got to get *everything* right. Not just character details, but getting the way they speak, the way they act, the way they react. Your own characters are in your head and, theoretically speaking, you should know where they're going next just by thinking about it. Fanfiction characters are in someone else's head and it's not acceptable to write what you want them to do. They have to be in character, or by god the fans will let you know all about it. Have you any idea just how hard that is?

You say there is no originality in fanfiction, that the writers don't create. What stories do you think get written, ffs!? Do you think that nothing changes in the stories? Do you think that the characters stay the same, all the way through, that they don't experience anything in the course of the stories? Of course there's plot and character development in fanfiction! The only difference is that you've got to be twice as creative because you're working with the restrictions of staying true to the characters and setting.

You have obviously read appalling fanfiction and built your opinions of the genre around it. Would you be impressed by someone who formed an opinion of your erotica writing from the lousiest piece of two-bit porn found on the web?

My current (non-erotic) fanfiction has character arcs that have spread over more than 25,000 words and counting. I have introduced new characters and settings and woven them into the scenes such that people tell me they can't tell the difference in quality between my characters and the originals. I live for the times when rabid fans tell me that I have voiced a character so perfectly, or captured them absolutely, because I spent days on that line, trying to get it just so.

I've made someone cry with a tragic scene in my fanfiction.

So don't you tell me that I'm employing a dodge or a cop out by choosing to write a story in a particular field, don't tell me that I'm not being creative or that I'm performing low-level plagiarism. I am a fucking good writer, I work damned hard, and I will not have my work demeaned because people form preconceptions about a genre from reading its worst writers.

The Earl
 
Stella_Omega said:
Which is part of what makes you a good FF writer :rose:

Thanks to your first, stiletto-point comment on Falling, I work very hard at introducing my fandoms to people now. Doesn't always work, but hey, I never claimed to be perfect, and once I realized that the only ones who read my Celeb stuff were HIM fans anyway- I stopped attempting to explain in intense detail who everyone was.
 
Oblimo said:
:eek: You realize that means you may have written fanfic of stuff I wrote. :eek:

Does this mean we have to start fighting, or something? :D

(But then, there are otherkin who think they are reincarnations of characters me and my friends made up.)

I started Sapphyre/Brigid Darkflame (stupid name, non?) as a free-form character 12 years ago and switched her over to VtM when it became available. Unless you wrote both VtM handbooks and the Bastet and changeling books, I think I'm good. ^.^

Using the basic outline of Masquerade and clans doesn't mean I didn't make my own characters. I have stables full of them, all driving me mad. That goes for every fandom I've ever down, TYVM Jenny- as you apparently hold FF in disdain, and obviously know nothing about it, I would suggest you at least brush up on it before blasting it.

And I shouldn't be here, so I am going to get out of this crackalicious forum and get back to work begore I fuck my entire schedule up.

This is what I get for cleaning out my PM box....
 
FallingToFly said:
Thanks to your first, stiletto-point comment on Falling, I work very hard at introducing my fandoms to people now. Doesn't always work, but hey, I never claimed to be perfect, and once I realized that the only ones who read my Celeb stuff were HIM fans anyway- I stopped attempting to explain in intense detail who everyone was.
Oh my GAWD, I apologise- and I am impressed that you made gold out of my dross...
 
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