Ex-jihadist seeks Islam's Martin Luther

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The Detroit News, 10/22/06
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061022/OPINION03/610220304/1271

Ex-jihadist seeks Islam's Martin Luther

by Nolan Finley

A former jihadist stopped by my office last week with a solution to the threat from radical Islam: more baseball and more sex.

Dr. Tawfik Hamid is not being flip. The physician and author believes the repressed passions of young Muslims, particularly Sunnis, make them susceptible to the promise of a heaven filled with pleasures of the flesh, and eager to blow up themselves and others to get there.

"I was 8 years old when I first entered this powerful brainwashing system," says Hamid, who grew up in affluence as the son of a Cairo doctor. "At first, my head was filled with images of a paradise of chocolates and lollypops. Later, it was of women."

Though his father was an atheist, Hamid lusted for the nirvana he was taught to envision in a secular Egyptian school.

"We used to pray and imagine these beautiful women in tents," he says. "At the same time, our sexual repression was overwhelming. We were taught that even masturbation would deny us our reward."

Eventually, Hamid joined the Jamaha Islameia, a jihadist organization, where he fell under the tutelage of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's No. 2, and was schooled in the art of terror.

He left when he was asked to go to Afghanistan. "I could not kill," Hamid says. "I could not put the theory into practice."

So he became a jihad dropout, fled to the West for safety and began examining the roots of a movement that aims to subjugate the entire non-Muslim world.

Islamic Reformation needed

Hamid passionately refutes theories that Islamist terror is rooted in politics, oppression, ignorance or poverty. He grew up wealthy, educated and free, and yet he fell under the jihadist spell.

This is about religion, he says, and even though the West is squeamish about categorizing the war on terror as a religious struggle, it has to be fought that way.

Hamid scoffs at the Bush administration's strategy of combatting Islamism with democracy.

"The only solution is a reformation of Islam," he says. "We should be encouraging and supporting religious reformers."

Hamid believes a reformation will lead to the more enlightened practice of Islam, as it did with the Christian and Jewish reformations. The essential ingredients of reform, he says, are rejection of the principles that apostates must be killed; women can be subjugated and enslaved; Jews are subhuman, and Islam can be spread through violence.

The challenge, he says, is that no Islamic Martin Luther has emerged. "Show me where Muslims are speaking out against these beliefs," he says.

"Only a small number of Muslims are jihadists, but many, many more sympathize with their goals. They are passive terrorists."

Hamid's book is "The Roots of Jihad." He remains a practicing Muslim, but wants his religion to become more free, more tolerant, more open to secular pleasures -- like baseball -- and more accepting of criticism.

The West, he says, could help with the latter.

"You are so willing to criticize your own religions," he says. "You must do the same for Islam."

In other words, instead of walking on eggshells for fear of roiling the wasps' nest, both East and West would be better served by a vigorous critique of Islam.

Nolan Finley is editorial page editor of The Detroit News.
 
Not my place to offer comments on your posts, my friend, as I am one who would prefer to see a future in which religion in general is studied as is the black plague, an unfortunate period in human history where ignorance ruled.

amicus...
 
I was thinking about this today, trying to figure out if Islamic extremists were that much worse than Christian Extremists. In my mind, they're pretty similar.

Want to impose their religious beliefs on their governments/the world - check
Willing to kill in the name of their god - check

The list goes on.

This is another great example! Sexual repressioin - check!
 
JamesSD said:
I was thinking about this today, trying to figure out if Islamic extremists were that much worse than Christian Extremists. In my mind, they're pretty similar.

Want to impose their religious beliefs on their governments/the world - check
Willing to kill in the name of their god - check

The list goes on.

This is another great example! Sexual repressioin - check!

It is true that there is little difference between Christian extremists and Muslim extremitst. However, and this is important, the former are quite rare and are generally not supported by governments. I'm not referring to people like Pat Robertson, who has gotten rich out of what looks like his looniness. I am referring to those who bomb Planned Parenthood clinics, and the Phelps family, and others of that ilk. They have their supporters and their protectors but not very many of either and they actually have very little influence, and little or no government support.

That hasn't always been the case. A few hundred years ago, so-called Christians were torturing and enslaving and killing anybody who disagreed with them. Furthermore, they were supported in this by kings and emporers. Martin Luther was one of several who were prominent in bringing the inquisitions and pogroms to an end.
 
SweetPrettyAss said:
It is true that there is little difference between Christian extremists and Muslim extremitst. However, and this is important, the former are quite rare and are generally not supported by governments. I'm not referring to people like Pat Robertson, who has gotten rich out of what looks like his looniness. I am referring to those who bomb Planned Parenthood clinics, and the Phelps family, and others of that ilk. They have their supporters and their protectors but not very many of either and they actually have very little influence, and little or no government support.

That hasn't always been the case. A few hundred years ago, so-called Christians were torturing and enslaving and killing anybody who disagreed with them. Furthermore, they were supported in this by kings and emporers. Martin Luther was one of several who were prominent in bringing the inquisitions and pogroms to an end.
I'll agree they lack government support. I disagree on the rarity. A LOT of Americans think the United States would be a better place if we became a theocracy and the Bible was used as a textbook and to create our laws. Of course, there's a lot of good stuff in the Bible... messages of love and tolerance, helping the poor... Of course there's a lot of historically important dietary restrictions too. Rules about dividing concubines...
 
there ARE muslim moderates, but they lack clout and power, as of yet. though it might be added that moderate muslim states do exist, e.g. Jordan, Indonesia; some other muslim states simply jail the extremists, e.g., Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria.
 
JamesSD said:
I'll agree they lack government support. I disagree on the rarity. A LOT of Americans think the United States would be a better place if we became a theocracy and the Bible was used as a textbook and to create our laws. Of course, there's a lot of good stuff in the Bible... messages of love and tolerance, helping the poor... Of course there's a lot of historically important dietary restrictions too. Rules about dividing concubines...

It is true that there are many persons who would like the US to be a theocracy. However, for the most part, they are not going around killing those who disagree with that idea. A Christian extremist is nothing compared to a Muslim extremist, at least now in the 21st century.
 
Actually, the Martin Luther example is clumsy, because his actions heralded 150 years of the most blood-soaked religious wars in history. The Crusaders were pikers compared to the princes and condottieri of the 30 Year War that ravaged the Germanies and eastern Europe in the early 1600s. The English Civil War was shorter but just as tragic. The less organized murder of the preceding century (1517 to c. 1610) was just as bloody.

The futility and senselessness of it all eventually led to the Enlightenment, the predominant theme of which was, "Not worth it!" But, Oh my, an echo of that history in an era of WMDs does not bear thinking about.

Amicus might have the right of it after all in his post above. (Actually he almost certainly does, although the rhetoric is not particularly constructive.)
 
Ex-jihadist seeks Islam's Martin Luther
My first thought was: Doesn't this belong in the Personal Ad section?
*sorry - back to the discussion topic*
 
Hi, Roxanne...you do good work, girl...keep on keepin on...


Yes, my rhetoric is blunt and harsh: "...Not my place to offer comments on your posts, my friend, as I am one who would prefer to see a future in which religion in general is studied as is the black plague, an unfortunate period in human history where ignorance ruled.

amicus..."


It needs to be on this forum especially. I am fully cognizant that 'religion' was the first formal attempt by modern humans to categorize knowledge and study the world around them and was the handmaiden eventually to philosophy and all the disciplines.

That being said....


amicus...
 
glynndah said:
Ex-jihadist seeks Islam's Martin Luther
My first thought was: Doesn't this belong in the Personal Ad section?
*sorry - back to the discussion topic*
LOL - "Must be good with basic carpentry tools (hammer and nails) and have plenty of theses (95 at least.)"
 
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