Escorts - 1st time

[Somehowyou]

Ok but this is where I got confused as to why you'd (or any person, not meaning you) pay for this. I'd think you could get this off craigslist, or even on here or anyother hook up site.

Craigslist is nothing but SPAM! Sweet Erica said something like "why take the chance of meeting a crazy one of CL." I would like to meet a real woman on CL. It is nothing but Spam!!!!

Also, go to Canada if you want to meet an escort. US sucks. There are legit agencies but because of the stigma in the states you will rarely find someone at a reasonable rate that is both visually appealing and GFE. On the other hand this is almost assured in Canada. PM me and I will expound on this if you are interested.

 

[SassySheDevil]

I think it's a bit like asking "why climb Everest?" If you have to ask you'll probably never understand. (I don't mean that as dismissive of those that need to ask in any way at all!)
Everyone is different and everyone has their reasons. It doesn't have to be about being able to attract someone, or being willing to make an effort, or even circumstances. It might be some of those, or all of them, but there are any number of possible reasons why. Obviously there are usually other ways to get what you want sexually. All with their own pros and cons. The only real diference is which, and how you choose.

To be fair, if the question is asked at all, rather than "why do men ..." it should be "why do people ..." The norm may be gender biased but in it is not mono-polar.

I didn't ask to be rude or judge. I was genuinely curious and part of asking was to try and understand. One does not understand unless they learn correct? I was a phone sex operator for years and I learned that a fair amount of the callers, just wanted someone to talk to. They also liked to talk about things they assumed their gf's/wives would not be intrested in. I was sorta sad for alot of them.

 

[texasm31]

What's the US protocol?

I cannot recall all of the specifics, but there are certain ways for the $ exchange to go down, what to say, who gets undressed first, cleanliness, courtesy, etc. Just sort of what to do and how to do it, so it goes smothly.

 

[fenghuang]

I didn't ask to be rude or judge. I was genuinely curious and part of asking was to try and understand. One does not understand unless they learn correct? I was a phone sex operator for years and I learned that a fair amount of the callers, just wanted someone to talk to. They also liked to talk about things they assumed their gf's/wives would not be intrested in. I was sorta sad for alot of them.

I wan't assuming you were being rude or judgmental. And I didn't intend to seem dismissive of your question. I genuinly think it's the sort of thing that you either understand or you don't but I'm more than happy to be proved wrong.
I don't really want to open up my own reasons for public debate, but feel free to PM me if you are actually intetested in one person's motivation.

 

[SassySheDevil]

I think I sorta got it answered. But thanks. Good luck with the search.

 

[Panama Hat]

Makes me sad, a little. . .

So let me ask a dumb girl question. Why do men chose to pay for services like these? Can you really not find women willing to do these acts?

Actually I can't, and it's kind of confusing. I'd like nothing more than to find a woman who wants to be FB or FWB, but I guess I don't give off the right vibe, or frequent the right venues, or whatever.

I'm not unattractive, I'm a professional kind of guy, and I live in a REALLY sexually repressed place, so you'd think there would be a lot of women looking for a d/l hookup.

But there isn't.

 

[Iftheshoefits]

What is it specifically you want to know? My wife was an escort for two years and I have seen a number of them myself. I live in the US, I don't know where you are, but if in another country things may be vastly different.

Here, most often, the initial contact is made by e-mail. This is because the girls want a chance to screen you before wasting their breath on the phone. This is not always the case though.

Do not use your personal e-mail, create a new free e-mail account somewhere to use for these purposes. Do not use your home phone or cell phone when making phone contact. Go buy a cheap $20 trac phone or other pre-paid phone which won't require giving out your personal information to activate.

This is all to protect yourself from potential law enforcement traps. In America, it is illegal, law enforcement is not fooled by any discalimer such as "money spent is for time and companionship only and anything else that happens is matter of personal choice between conscenting adults" which are commonly found on escort mall ads and websites. - BULLSHIT - if you pay her and fuck her you are guilty of soliciting prostitution, PERIOD. It is not as hard of a conviction as many seem to think.

If you choose to meet your "date" in a hotel that is in YOUR name, NEVER pay cash for the room. EVER. Big red flag to hotel employees and vice cops.

See a lady who has a good reputation. There are several sites to find escort reviews, depending on which part of the county one is searching in, different escort review boards are more widely used in different areas. The largest and most commonly used is www.theeroticreview.com

The average hourly rate for a high end escort nationwide is $300 an hour, though prices vary depending on locale - generally larger cities are more expensive. The median rate in New York and Los Angeles for example, is between 400 - 500 for the hour. Porn stars can usually fetch 1200 and up for an hour depending on their popularity. Usually multi-hour appointments are at a discounted hourly rate, though each girls pricing structure is different, that is generally the case.

Do not see any girl who advertises on Craigslist. Most have pimps, are using one drug or another, and are the most frequently busted by law enforcement because of their lack of screening. THis is also where scammers, stick up boys, and other people you do not want to run into conduct their business because of the lax posting rules. Rip offs and no shows are common place as well. Bait and switch is a popular tactic too (using stolen pics of super hot girls, and when you get there she is a size 26 with no teeth). CL is also the site most often used by LE (law enforcement) for stings. One out of five ads on CL is a cop, AT LEAST.

Find a review site and read the reviews and look at the websites of some diffrent girls and make sure they offer the kind of services you want. Paying more does not always get you a more open "menu" of services - er...acts which she is willing to perform or allow you to perform on her.

Any girl worth seeing is going to want to do some screening. Any girl who doesn't screen and is not selective about her dates should be avoided. That type of indifference to her clientelle leads to all kinds of bad things - jail, rip off, STD's do to revolving door business, and most commonly, simply a bad overall experience thus a waste of your time and money. Girls who do not pre screen clients are super high volume - ask yourself, do you want to be the tenth client of the day?

Screening usually consists of one of two options - giving her a reference of a another reviewed girl with a good reputation that you have seen is the most common. Since you are new, that is not an option right now. The second is verifying where you work. Usually, they will simply call the main switchboard of your company and ask for you using whatever alias and company name you tell them to use to make it sound like a professional call. Personally, I don't like giving out any personal info to anyone so I use pre-screening services.

Pre-screening services will also verify your identity but do not give that info to the escorts who use their services. Popular ones are preferred411 , date-check , and roomservice2000 . Pay a one time fee for membership, get screened, and then you can use your membership as a pass to seeing any girl who uses that service, in the case of the three provided, there should be a LOT of options.

Another way is to get screened by an established agency, in which case once you are screened you can use any of the girls that work for that agency, Miami Companions, for example, is an agency that has lots of girls who travel nation wide. The only problem with using an agency girl is that they tend to overbook their girls so if you have a late appointment, you might show up to find an exhausted and rather aloof escort waiting for you, plus they screw the girls over big time on their rate, which personally doesn't sit well with me. I prefer independant girls to agency girls, personally.

Once you have scheduled your date, they will usually do one of two things, depending on if you book an incall or out call. "Incall" means you are going to their hotel or residence (most girls use hotels to protect their privacy rather than their own residence). "Outcall" means they come to your hotel or residence. There is usually an additional fee for outcall and many will not offer it do to safety concerns, especially travelling girls (girls who are not from the city they are booking in).

The "two-call" system is the most common. They call you an hour or so before your scheduled appointment (or vise-versa) to confirm it, and then they give you directions to the incall location. Once you arrive, you call them to get the room number. Most will not disclose their location untill soon before the day of appointment so don't expect them too give you any more than a general area prior to the day of appointment. Important to note that many first-rate girls require advance booking due to screening requirements, short notice (same day) is seldom available with top tier girls unless you have seen them before or can be quickly verified with a pre-screening service.

Forget what you see in the movies where you leave the money on the nightstand after you're done, it doesn't work like that. You place the cash in an unsealed white envelope and set in somewhere in plain sight as soon as you arrive, then excuse yourself to the bathroom so she can discretely count it. This is a big deal, because if she doesn't see money up front things are going to seem very awkward, and if she has to come right out and ask for it, you are likely going to piss her off and get a less than enthusiastic performance. Further more, she doesn't want to have to count the money in front of you which is why you go to the bathroom after you've set down the "donation".

Two things you never do are discuss money or sex. Period. The only time you should ever bring up money is if her rates are not listed. 95% of the time her requested donation will be listed on her website or mall ad. If so, she expects you to know the proper donation and not discuss it. IF no rate is listed, check for reviews, because "she" may very well be a scam, an up-seller, or a vice cop sting. Likewise with sex - do not ask her what she will do or won't do - read her reviews and get your information from that. Any discussion of specific sex acts will likely get you hung up on or ignored, and if she doesn't, she's a cop. Any escort worth her pussy knows better than that.

A legit girl will not up sell you (request additional money for this that and the other thing) - all services will performed for the listed rate. Ignore any ad that says anything like "prices start at - X" this is an indication that she is going to charge a high rate just to get in the door and then charge you extra for everything under the sun, including something as basic as removing her clothes. Words to look for are "all inclusive", meaning no additonal money above the listed rate is expected.

Standard escort services include blow job - BBBJ means bare back blow job, CBJ means covered blow job, (most girls will state CBJ if they do not do BBBJ but not always - READ HER REVIEWS!), DATY (dine at the y = you can eat her pussy), and covered sex in multiple positions. Many offer DFK and LFK as well (deep french kissing and light french kissing). These services are standard for a "GFE" (girlfriend experience). It is important to note that GFE is very subjective and used almost universally now days, even by sub par girls who offer very little on their menu so don't assume it's included because she advertises as a "GFE", look for other indications that she provides the things you want to do - most importantly READ her reviews as that is always the best source of information about any given girl. If a girl has no reviews, move on. Repeat - **MOVE ON.

Some girls are more open to various forms of kink than others and will usually hint or indicate that in some way in their ad or on their personal website - for example "I speak greek" or "a trip to the islands/ trip to greece" means anal sex is available. "French lessons" or "french" means uncovered oral sex. Visit one of the escort review sites to find a more comprehensive list of escort terminology.

Once donation is given and you return from the bathroom, expect some casual conversation, a brief "warming up" period, if you will, and expect her to take the lead. Most of the time they will make the first move, however, flirtatious touching and such on your part will not be frowned upon. They know why you are there, and expect as much. Seeming aloof or relucatant can set off an alarm - that is how vice cops operate. She will not likely come out and ask if you want a blow job or anything that forward, but when she hints at progressing things further, take your cue. You can start undressing at any time if you're not interested in waiting for the action to start, this is the clearest signal I know of to say "I'm ready to fuck" in not so many words. Or, if she wants you to undress, the most common phrase is "would you like to get comfortable".

If she knows it's your first time, she will of course expect you to be a bit nervous, don't worry about that. You are not likely to be the first newbie she has seen unless she is a newb herself. As a newb yourself, I'd advise you to go with someone with an established reputation and experience.

Tips for having the best experience possible -

1. Get the money right. It is her job to act like she wants to fuck you regardles of anything, but she is a pro and if the money is wrong there will be tension if not an outright demand for you to get the fuck out.

2. SHOWER. This should be common sense but it is the number one complaint amongst escorts. It doesn't matter if you took one that morning before work, if you just got off an 8 hour shift. Take one before you go and see her, and make sure any place you expect her to put her mouth is EXTRA clean, if you know what I mean *especially if you are uncircumsized - clean under the skin!!!*. Nothing will kill the mood quicker than emitting repulsive odors. A good escort can and will show a lot of enthusiasm towards the sex as long as you don't do anything to put her off. Paid or not, they are still people and still subject to the same rules of civilian dating. If you want a good attitude and willingness to please on her part, do her and yourself a favor and wash your sweaty balls before you arrive. If taking a shower is not possible before arrival (you are going straight from work, for example), ask to take a quick shower when you get there. She will appreciate it. Most high end girls provide toiletries and fresh towels for just such a thing. ALso - don't forget to brush your teeth either or at least pop a breath mint - again, common sense but many guys are apparently unaware of their repulsive breath - another thing that will get you a less than willing attitude from her.

3. Show respect. Just because you are paying her doesn't mean she's going to let you treat her like a cum dump. Not saying you have to worship the ground she walks on (unless you're into that LOL) but show the same courtesy you would give any human being. She knows she is a whore, you don't need to remind her. Avoid derogatory language, and things such hair-pulling, spanking, etc. (rough sex) unless she's requested it, indicated it by some means, or otherwise consented to it. I've found that a lot of escorts enjoy, or at the very least are willing to tolerate things of that nature as long as they are not caught off guard by it. Remember that by being alone in a room with you, a complete stranger, she is putting herself in a very vulnerable situation. If you make her uncomforatable expect things to be awkward at best. Again, should be common sense but...

4. Never talk explicitly about sex or mention the money. I covered that above but this is a reminder. It will not go good if you do this. Once your dick is inside of her, (thus your legitimacy as a client and not a cop is absolutely confirmed) it is ok to ask about certain sexual things you may want but not be sure if she's willing to do (but no money talk EVER), just don't be an asshole. And no still means no. Paid or not, cops do not care about prositution when it comes to rape, they are not going to prosicute a rape victim, and she can and probably will report abuse, don't doubt it. Some guys seem to think paying gives them the right to do whatever they damn well please with a girl - not the case.

5. Don't over stay your welcome. When the time is up, go. When she's hinting that it's time to leave, or when you see by the time on the clock you have hit your limit, say your goodbye and make an exit. A good escort will not rush you out the door, or nit pick your time down to the exact minute, but also doesn't want her time taken advantage of, this IS a business for them. There are several black lists available to the girls for undesireable clients and if you get your name on one you will have a very hard time getting another date with a reputable provider in the future.

6. Women like gifts. No escort I know of requires you to bring, flowers, wine or chocolates or other gifts (most really like gift cards, shoes or lingirie) but paid pro or not, women are still women. Bringing a small gift can reap big rewards. Remember, they are real people, not robots, and are very capable of genuinely liking you or just simply going through the motions and thinking about their favorite TV show while you empty your balls. If she genuinely likes you, it will show in her overall performance.

My wife had a number of clients who she really enjoyed seeing, and plenty that made her want to quit. Be the former, rather than the latter if you want to have the most fun for your hard earned dollar.

 

[fenghuang]

Iftheshoefits A huge thanks for that very comprehensive post.
I suspect I'll have a few suplimentary questions when that's all sunk in and I've had time to mull it over. I may PM you accordingly if that's ok, just so a tired thread doesn't get bumped unnecessarily.
Thanks again!

 

[Iftheshoefits]

PM if you want.

Otherwise, have fun.

 

[Somehowyou]

PM if you want.

Otherwise, have fun.

Outstanding Post. TER is a great resource. For every review they give you 2 free weeks full service. I think I will send them a money order to join.

 

[reneemyrenee]

well...

How the hour goes depends upon how well you shop for a gal and what you want. Some girls will take your money and rush you through it. Some will be very personable and some permissive and some strait as you can get.

There are place where the guys talk about the providers and that is the best place to start.

Most men tell the girls. They just want a for sure thing with NO NON ONONONONON attachment as they are busy with one thing or another. and some are looking for kink.

 

[philos]

this may not fulfill your needs but I think some of the massage parlors scratch the itch with less hassles than an escort. I know it is a matter of semantics but I've always felt more comfortable with an erotic MP.

 

[Iftheshoefits]

this may not fulfill your needs but I think some of the massage parlors scratch the itch with less hassles than an escort. I know it is a matter of semantics but I've always felt more comfortable with an erotic MP.

Be careful when dealing wtih AMP's. The number one focus of LE on the prositution front is human traficking. AMP's are notorious for this.

 

[Firebrain]

So let me ask a dumb girl question. Why do men chose to pay for services like these? Can you really not find women willing to do these acts?

Because they can ring up and order a fuck like a pizza. Because they don't have to wonder if she'll be in a good enough mood to blow them that night. Because she'll probably let him in the backdoor too, and most women won't.

Because life's too short to be sexually unfulfilled, however you define it, I suppose.

 

[NJFLOK]

Are you looking just for straight sex or something with a kink side to it.

 

[fenghuang]

Because they can ring up and order a fuck like a pizza. Because they don't have to wonder if she'll be in a good enough mood to blow them that night. Because she'll probably let him in the backdoor too, and most women won't.

Because life's too short to be sexually unfulfilled, however you define it, I suppose.

IMHO that's quite a bleak view of it. There are other far less simplistic reasons.

Are you looking just for straight sex or something with a kink side to it.

I would say pretty straight. But some people regard oral as perverted, so define your kink

 

[Firebrain]

IMHO that's quite a bleak view of it. There are other far less simplistic reasons.

I would say pretty straight. But some people regard oral as perverted, so define your kink

How's it bleak? Like I said, life's too short to be sexually unfulfilled. The issue isn't that someone might want those things, but that others make it an issue. Of course there are other reasons - but I honestly think those are some. The exchange of money simplifies many things, however you want to look at it.

 

[human_male]

One thing I'm worried about is sex trafficing and inadvertently hiring someone who's well, a slave. I couldn't have that on my conscience.

I figure if I make sure she's a native English speaker that should be fine. And the website I use that lists the adds seems very professional but I guess that doens't mean much.

I keep reading adds of Asian girls that all say "I'm from China and new to the industry." Does that sound like a red flag?

"I work from a luxury life block in east Auckland." What the fuck is a life block?

 

[infinity706]

Well, I guess it depends on what kind of slave, though. There's S&M slaves, too, and quite often their masters/doms let them play with other people as well. Of course, I don't know any slaves that prostitute themselves, but I'm sure it happens.

Now, as for being from China, I wouldn't say that's a red flag in itself. Most women from China work in chinese food resturaunts here, but then, prostitution is illegal. I'm sure some of them would probably whore themselves out if it were legal, since it's certainly more profitable than even running a resturaunt. It's not like we haven't had Chinese strippers here.

 

[human_male]

Well, I guess it depends on what kind of slave, though. There's S&M slaves, too, and quite often their masters/doms let them play with other people as well. Of course, I don't know any slaves that prostitute themselves, but I'm sure it happens.

I was talking about sex trafficking. Not S&M.

Now, as for being from China, I wouldn't say that's a red flag in itself. Most women from China work in chinese food resturaunts here, but then, prostitution is illegal. I'm sure some of them would probably whore themselves out if it were legal, since it's certainly more profitable than even running a resturaunt. It's not like we haven't had Chinese strippers here.

Actually, what I meant was they're from overseas and they all say they're new to the industry. Not that they're just from China.

 

[infinity706]

I was talking about sex trafficking. Not S&M.




Actually, what I meant was they're from overseas and they all say they're new to the industry. Not that they're just from China.

I know what you meant, but it doesn't matter what country you're talking about. Women are still women and there will still be plenty that will willingly sell sex if the pay is good enough. There would have be be other signs before I'd assume a woman is really being forced.

 

[human_male]

I know what you meant, but it doesn't matter what country you're talking about. Women are still women and there will still be plenty that will willingly sell sex if the pay is good enough. There would have be be other signs before I'd assume a woman is really being forced.

I hope so. I guess it was just the similarity of the profiles, as if someone else had writen them for them. I just have visions of going to some luxury "life block" to see an escort and it turning out to be owned by the mob and all the girls there are trafficked.

Silly I suppose.

 

[infinity706]

Yeah, and there's also the fact that being new and from overseas makes her sound more exotic and forbidden, just like how every chick in porn that can pass for it is a "teen." You have to think, how would you market yourself if you were a prostitute? Afterall, you're trying to make a pitch for why men and women should spend a lot of money to fuck you.

 

[Iftheshoefits]

I guess it was just the similarity of the profiles, as if someone else had writen them for them.

I know exactly what you are talking about. Stay AWAY. When encountering ads that appear to be the same only with phto's of different girls you are looking at one of several things. A bait and switch sam. Bad. A pimp advertising for multiple girls. Bad. Illegal immigrants "working off" their debt for passage into this country. Bad. In all cases, stay away from these girls.

Asian's are not the only girls being trafficked, although they are the most common. Eastern European and latin american women are also commonly trafficked. There was a huge bust last year that started with the bust of an illegal Columbian woman working as an escort.

Go with independant escorts. Girls who are being trafficked always work for "agencies" (not legitimate ones) or in what appears to be groups of other women of a similar nationality who advertise similarly.

The best method is always to use a review site to determine the legitimacy of a girl.

 

[fenghuang]

How's it bleak? Like I said, life's too short to be sexually unfulfilled. The issue isn't that someone might want those things, but that others make it an issue.

My misunderstanding. I appologize. I think you're absoluely right that it's a pity some people make an issue of selling / buying sex if it's all consetual (sp?).

As a point of interest for those advocating a review website, I found a couple of UK based "punters" review sites and a really good forum for escorts and clients. Got some really useful info / opinions from several WGs.