Escort

[Quiet_Cool]

If the person using them is single, I don't see anything immoral about it.

You're paying for a service.

You could drop a $100+ on a date that goes nowhere or you could pay and get exactly what you want. Why not?

Married and doing it, would, to me anyway, seem immoral.

Unless of course, wifey gets to play too, then I guess it would be fine.

Oooh. You criss-crossed some lines here. loquere clarified that the character is single so it makes no real difference to his question, but there's a missing piece or two here. If you're married (presumably without some sort of agreement that "outside play" is acceptable) then the issue that signifies the morality doesn't seem to relate at all to whether it's free or comes with a charge. The "escort' factor is obsolete.

Is it immoral to pay for it at all? There are less moral things, but of the ones that take place between adults, and don't involve someone dieing, there aren't as many as you may think. The saving throw is that it is, as you said, an honest exchange. The problem comes in that the "service" you're paying for is incapable of being without a separate meaning. It's how we procreate, a way of spawning intimacy between two human beings, both immediately and long term, as you touched down on when you mentioned married to begin with.

I don't mean to be all flowery and touchy and whatnot; trust me, it's not my forte. I'm a pure skeptic and black-hearted sonofabitch. But there's good truth behind that, and when we place a price tag on the same act, we are, to a fair degree, degrading the act itself to the value of what we pay for it... And money means nothing.

So in my opinion (not that anyone necessarily cares) yes, it is immoral.

Volvo is about safety, there the safest cars out there.

If you want safety, don't drive a car at all. Get a Jeep; they're reliable, they're made mostly of steel, and they'll last a damn long time if you don't over abuse them. Drive safely around turns, and if you don't, the roll cage will prevent the worst of the damage, unless you stick your head out the window, in which case, you're probably too stupid to live long anyway.

Try $5000 around Wall street. along with thousand dollar private lap dances.

That has always made me shake my head. There is nothing a woman can do for me for 5 grand that I can't get done for free.

And even looks wise, come on how hot can they be?

A $5000 hooker is just like a hundred thousand dollar car. Drives the same, but its about saying you paid it because you could.

Ahhh, yes; there's really nothing like bending your $5k fuck-toy over the hood of your $100k fake penis to prove you're a man... This is one of the things that keeps me humble (yes, this is the Humble Me... It gets worse). I see this, how obvious it is, and how they don't see it, and it makes me wonder if I have any neon sign secrets that everyone sees and I think no one knows about, or worse yet, ones that I can't recognize at all yet. Where i work, our "HR" rep is like this. He doesn't have the car (his hooker's on the company payroll...) but he grew a goatee, one that looks like he draws it on every morning with his wife's mascara, to present himself as more manly. We all belief this, because he's really smart and convincing, and we're blue collar and dumb by default. I often wonder if he did this in planning for Christmas. Grow the goatee, paint a tree on his stomach and hope Santa drops a couple presents in his ball sack...

Sad... Very, very sad.

Q_C

 

[loquere]

Oooh. You criss-crossed some lines here. loquere clarified that the character is single so it makes no real difference to his question, but there's a missing piece or two here. If you're married (presumably without some sort of agreement that "outside play" is acceptable) then the issue that signifies the morality doesn't seem to relate at all to whether it's free or comes with a charge. The "escort' factor is obsolete.

Is it immoral to pay for it at all? There are less moral things, but of the ones that take place between adults, and don't involve someone dieing, there aren't as many as you may think. The saving throw is that it is, as you said, an honest exchange. The problem comes in that the "service" you're paying for is incapable of being without a separate meaning. It's how we procreate, a way of spawning intimacy between two human beings, both immediately and long term, as you touched down on when you mentioned married to begin with.

I don't mean to be all flowery and touchy and whatnot; trust me, it's not my forte. I'm a pure skeptic and black-hearted sonofabitch. But there's good truth behind that, and when we place a price tag on the same act, we are, to a fair degree, degrading the act itself to the value of what we pay for it... And money means nothing.

So in my opinion (not that anyone necessarily cares) yes, it is immoral.



If you want safety, don't drive a car at all. Get a Jeep; they're reliable, they're made mostly of steel, and they'll last a damn long time if you don't over abuse them. Drive safely around turns, and if you don't, the roll cage will prevent the worst of the damage, unless you stick your head out the window, in which case, you're probably too stupid to live long anyway.



Ahhh, yes; there's really nothing like bending your $5k fuck-toy over the hood of your $100k fake penis to prove you're a man... This is one of the things that keeps me humble (yes, this is the Humble Me... It gets worse). I see this, how obvious it is, and how they don't see it, and it makes me wonder if I have any neon sign secrets that everyone sees and I think no one knows about, or worse yet, ones that I can't recognize at all yet. Where i work, our "HR" rep is like this. He doesn't have the car (his hooker's on the company payroll...) but he grew a goatee, one that looks like he draws it on every morning with his wife's mascara, to present himself as more manly. We all belief this, because he's really smart and convincing, and we're blue collar and dumb by default. I often wonder if he did this in planning for Christmas. Grow the goatee, paint a tree on his stomach and hope Santa drops a couple presents in his ball sack...

Sad... Very, very sad.

Q_C

Come on ma lets pack the kids into a jeep! Yeah jeeps invented the seatbelt and perfected safety. We own three Volvo's and I'm proud of it!

 

[lovecraft68]

Is it immoral to pay for it at all?

No, not in my eyes.

It's a service. You pay someone to fix your car. You might pay someone to paint your house, or do your lawn.

Why can't you pay someone to sleep with you?

Don't get me wrong street walkers are a whole other set of issues, arrests, drug use, possible disease.

But escort services are pretty clean and discreet.

Why not?

I have done it twice on a whim, mostly as a little bit of a dirty thrill back when I was single.

Once was the two that I mentioned earlier another was when I was out of town and the night consisted of dinner and dancing before the "real" fun started.

The woman (I think she may have been about 30 she wasn't kid.) was beautiful, articulate, intelligent and a lot of fun in and out of bed. It was a hell of a night.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

I'm reminded of the line from <i>The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas</i> where an old woman explains to newsman, "My Frank, when he was alive, used to go there every Saturday. I took it as a blessing. Of course, things were different back then. Now-a-days, women enjoy doing that sort of thing themselves. Atleast so I've been told."

So, for me, if you're taking away from your partner, you're probably wrong, whether it's phone sex, masturbation or escort. What I mean to say is that I don't believe any of those activities are inherently right or wrong. It all depends on your moral compass and the pact you entered into with your partner.

As far as writing a story is concerned, the author gets to express their personal opinion or the opinions of their characters.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm reminded of the line from <i>The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas</i> where an old woman explains to newsman, "My Frank, when he was alive, used to go there every Saturday. I took it as a blessing. Of course, things were different back then. Now-a-days, women enjoy doing that sort of thing themselves. Atleast so I've been told."

So, for me, if you're taking away from your partner, you're probably wrong, whether it's phone sex, masturbation or escort. What I mean to say is that I don't believe any of those activities are inherently right or wrong. It all depends on your moral compass and the pact you entered into with your partner.

As far as writing a story is concerned, the author gets to express their personal opinion or the opinions of their characters.

Oh, no question if there is someone else involved than its a different story

There are a ton of phone sex/ IM/ webcam and such requests on the lit personals and some people see that as cheating some don't, but if you don;t ask your partner then to me its wrong.

For example my wife and I both have people here that we do some IM role playing with or some occasional dirty chat. we both agree its fine, but set the rules of no cams, no skype, no phone, no pic exchange.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

No, not in my eyes.

It's a service. You pay someone to fix your car. You might pay someone to paint your house, or do your lawn.

Why can't you pay someone to sleep with you?

Don't get me wrong street walkers are a whole other set of issues, arrests, drug use, possible disease.

But escort services are pretty clean and discreet.

Why not?

I have done it twice on a whim, mostly as a little bit of a dirty thrill back when I was single.

Once was the two that I mentioned earlier another was when I was out of town and the night consisted of dinner and dancing before the "real" fun started.

The woman (I think she may have been about 30 she wasn't kid.) was beautiful, articulate, intelligent and a lot of fun in and out of bed. It was a hell of a night.

Don't misunderstand me LC, I've posted with you before (though hit and miss, so you may not remember) and I shouldn't have to say this based on that (at least if you do remember), but I will anyway. You're welcome to disagree, but this doesn't read like a disagreement. This reads like you stopped reading right where you quoted.

Q_C

 

[lovecraft68]

Don't misunderstand me LC, I've posted with you before (though hit and miss, so you may not remember) and I shouldn't have to say this based on that (at least if you do remember), but I will anyway. You're welcome to disagree, but this doesn't read like a disagreement. This reads like you stopped reading right where you quoted.

Q_C

Not disagreeing. You asked about if paying for it in and of itself was immoral. I'm just rendering my opinion that its not.

Then again I may not be the best of moral barometers.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Not disagreeing. You asked about if paying for it in and of itself was immoral. I'm just rendering my opinion that its not.

Then again I may not be the best of moral barometers.

Okay...

The "question" I asked wasn't really a question, hence it's positing at the beginning of a paragraph. It was a reference to the original question to shift back in its direction, as I had diverted to your post in my initial statement. I then gave my response to the initially asked question. Said response was the one I meant to imply I was understanding if you disagreed with.

Again, your responses read as though you stopped reading right where your response was taken from.

Q_C

 

[loquere]

Okay...

The "question" I asked wasn't really a question, hence it's positing at the beginning of a paragraph. It was a reference to the original question to shift back in its direction, as I had diverted to your post in my initial statement. I then gave my response to the initially asked question. Said response was the one I meant to imply I was understanding if you disagreed with.

Again, your responses read as though you stopped reading right where your response was taken from.

Q_C

Circular logic much!

Lovecraf68 are you saying hiring an escort is imoral? I thought you were saying the oposite before?

 

[loquere]

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[lovecraft68]

Circular logic much!

Lovecraf68 are you saying hiring an escort is imoral? I thought you were saying the oposite before?

No, I said I don't think it is, but morals are pretty much an individual thing, so others may think so. For me its not.

 

[loquere]

No, I said I don't think it is, but morals are pretty much an individual thing, so others may think so. For me its not.

Does your wife share your view?

 

[lovecraft68]

Does your wife share your view?

in that for single people its fine? Yes she does. For married people she doesn't.

 

[loquere]

in that for single people its fine? Yes she does. For married people she doesn't.

But I thought you said you used escortes? Or was this before you met her?

 

[Handley_Page]

Does your wife share your view?

in that for single people its fine? Yes she does. For married people she doesn't.

Why shouldn't any married woman share that view. It's no problem to her that some female gets paid to escort some man to dinner or something.

But whilst the 'moral' issue has been mentioned, let us consider something else.
Some men may have 'problems' which a good wife may not be comfortable dealing with and a suitable "escort" (go on then - hooker) provides the necessary outlet.

Suppose there are medical reasons for her problems? (I read of one case where her vagina was a disaster area, but she could blow him like an angel.

And I recall stories where he liked to be whipped and his missus wasn't that kind of girl (no sex before marriage, see), so wifey sends him round to the nearest reputable knocking shop to get it out of his system.

 

[lovecraft68]

But I thought you said you used escortes? Or was this before you met her?

Oh, this was before her. I have always been faithful.

I got divorced and in the two years after the divorce and before I met my current wife, I went ho wild and denied myself nothing.

I am a firm believer in monogamy.

 

[sr71plt]

Is using an escort seen as a immoral dirty thing. is a character flawed after using one two three or four?

One of my favorite story characters is a male escort. He enjoys it, and I enjoy him enjoying it.

 

[lovecraft68]

One of my favorite story characters is a male escort. He enjoys it, and I enjoy him enjoying it.

I was taking him as asking this about r/l, maybe I was wrong.

I think in erotica there is really no such thing as immoral, if we abided by morals in erotica there would be very few stories.

 

[sr71plt]

I was taking him as asking this about r/l, maybe I was wrong.

I think in erotica there is really no such thing as immoral, if we abided by morals in erotica there would be very few stories.

I would have taken the OP that way too. But his post #3 is about the use in a story.

 

[lovecraft68]

I would have taken the OP that way too. But his post #3 is about the use in a story.

Gotcha, I lost track somewhere.

So your gigolo is a recurring character?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Circular logic much!

loquere, listen carefully. Try to grasps the words as you read them...

The only way anyone who read that post, and the ones prior to it, and were capable of retaining a single shred of information that ever comes their way could have confused that post as circular is if they'd spent the five minutes prior to reading it beating themselves repeatedly in the head with a tack hammer.

Q_C

 

[loquere]

loquere, listen carefully. Try to grasps the words as you read them...

The only way anyone who read that post, and the ones prior to it, and were capable of retaining a single shred of information that ever comes their way could have confused that post as circular is if they'd spent the five minutes prior to reading it beating themselves repeatedly in the head with a tack hammer.

Q_C

Don't get snipy young man, I simply never read the posts prior to that one.

 

[loquere]

I was taking him as asking this about r/l, maybe I was wrong.

I think in erotica there is really no such thing as immoral, if we abided by morals in erotica there would be very few stories.

??? Did you think I meant I wanted to use an escort?????? (r/l) I'm guessing that means real life.


Look I've been written this last chapter of a story and it's been collecting dust since the summer. I've had a block on it and have been unable to feel compfortable with it as is.

So I revamped my take on the main character and have decided to add in a escort for spice. Having OCD I had to do research.

The escort was not for me, i'm happily married from time to time. Plus i'm a civil servant.

 

[lovecraft68]

??? Did you think I meant I wanted to use an escort?????? (r/l) I'm guessing that means real life.


Look I've been written this last chapter of a story and it's been collecting dust since the summer. I've had a block on it and have been unable to feel compfortable with it as is.

So I revamped my take on the main character and have decided to add in a escort for spice. Having OCD I had to do research.

The escort was not for me, i'm happily married from time to time. Plus i'm a civil servant.

No I knew it started out as your story, but at some point thought you were asking what people thought about it in r/l. Not that you were doing it, but looking for opinions.

 

[loquere]

No I knew it started out as your story, but at some point thought you were asking what people thought about it in r/l. Not that you were doing it, but looking for opinions.

I know we say erotica can be dirty. Even people on her have there limits. I'm suprised where it is even though I really should'nt care.

Saying that, I think it got real when you said escorts get $5000. I was thinking of saying fuck the public good and changing professions.

-All my research, the movie “the girlfriend experience,” articles in the New York post all had $2000 as the top of the barrel. Two websites had ultra-VIP girls for $3000 an hour.

- My guy is the fourth richest person on earth. The fiscal conservative in me would hesitate on him paying that, thinking about paying that much even in fiction causes me near physical pain, even when it’s being done by a billionaires.