Erotic Horror

[sr71plt]

Anyway, I don't think it matters about the type of monster you use in the story. Vamps, werewolves, demons, succubi... they're all fine. For me, its the way they're written. I would agree that I'm tired of seeing the conflicted vampire that the guys and gals just can't help falling in love with. I like the parasitic sort, the type that would suck you dry and eat you, without all the crazy stipulations surrounding the mythology.

I think the best horror, though, is not when someone turns into an unworldly monster but when he/she twists into something that's still human, if at the extreme, creating the fear of how someone can go there--without becoming supernatural. The supernatural sort of bursts the fright value of horror, I think.

 

[SecondCircle]

I think the best horror, though, is not when someone turns into an unworldly monster but when he/she twists into something that's still human, if at the extreme, creating the fear of how someone can go there--without becoming supernatural. The supernatural sort of bursts the fright value of horror, I think.

Hidden identities aside, it is true that some of the most horrifying monsters are all around us. Mr. Gein spawned a lot of the horror movies of the past two decades, including Psycho and Silence of the Lambs. And of course to find the next horror story, all one needs to do is turn on the news.

I enjoy writing the supernatural, just not in the same style as most tend to write. I attempt to ground the elements in a realistic setting and plot that we can all relate to on some level. I use characters that you would meet everyday. On lit, I usually involve elements of sex or passion, not always necessarily as the central theme, but a large factor. Then I attempt to reveal something that you wouldn't want to see in the dark room you pass on the way to the fridge at two in the morning. And I try to write it in a way that makes it seem as though a real sensible person is viewing the situation, as opposed to straining the outlandish bits like they were normal.

All in all, it matters how it is written to me. Doesn't matter what its about. Vamps, aliens, serial murderers, demented husbands, the cult down the street... doesn't matter.

I can eat just about anything, but if it tastes like shit I'm gonna spit it out.

 

[NEMouse]

Yes, internet etiquette and paranoia. I seem to share similar opinions with another poster/posters, therefore, I must be one of those individuals.

For a forum that is supposed to be filled with creative people, the extremely limited method of thinking practiced by a few is appalling.

But, yes, I am an alt, hence the silly name. I will not post under my author name to avoid the retribution mentioned here often. I also have my "main identity" in the GB. Another reason to write under a different tag.

A few people here who crossover forums might know it. but most of you have no idea who I am, which is no big deal, I am simply "Me"

I am amused by how the GB has such a bad rap here when the threads here degenerate into just as much nastiness. Also seems funny that more than half the threads here seem to belong in the GB. In fact many identical threads have been running there for years.

And as to bad behavior? I took a peek at Mr P's posts and see him talking about 2 posters who have not posted here in weeks, yet he still talks about him. Good thing there are no assholes here, though, like in the GB.

And I find it amusing Mr. P carries around some quote from a poster he doesn't like in his signature.

That tells me he owns you.

As does the fact you seem to be looking for me, and I am sure any other newbie here you don't like, to be him.

The real lark, is the "scouries" situation. Talk about a guy laughing his ass off.

He owns all of you.

Where the irony comes in, is the biggest cheater on this site is right there among you and has all but called it out and all the super sleuths here are still blaming some idiot who writes god-awful incest stories.

And here I thought Mr. P was a super secret agent.

 

[sr71plt]

Still obsessed with me no matter what alt you're using, eh, LC?

It's that very exhibited obsession that fingers you as Lovecraft68 (but not the only thing, of course. You're really not very good at this).

 

[redzinger]

For me, EH is something which would give me nightmares. Lots of NH and SF&F is rather cuddly, EH should have a sexy element but the basic premise be shocking.

 

[NEMouse]

To the actual thread in question the biggest problem with EH blurs into the problem with NH.

Whether the authors are not sure where to put their stories or the site takes it upon themselves to move them, many seem misplaced.

I've read a lot of stories in EH, that made me think they would be better served in NH and the other way around.

I think NH is the "glam" side of the genre and EH is the down and dirty. If you're really looking at the art of horror EH is the place to place your work. But the fans there seem a tougher crowd and the H is harder to come by so.....

If you're looking for a higher score and to write something popular NH is what you want.

 

[NEMouse]

For me, EH is something which would give me nightmares. Lots of NH and SF&F is rather cuddly, EH should have a sexy element but the basic premise be shocking.

Good EH stories have atmosphere, even if they are not blatantly in your face you should get that pleasant shudder and that childlike(but we all get it sometimes) urge to look over your shoulder.

NH is more fantasy based story lines and generally many of the stories are long chaptered series.

 

[sr71plt]

This might be a good place to point out that few if any posters whose "main identity" is in the GB even know Lit. has a story file, let alone have studied category placement.

And they don't give us a detailed commentary on comments and ratings of stories,
or go to LC's latest story to quote extensively what a fabulous author does in response to comment criticism
or accuse Laurel of rigging the story contests.

(and they certainly don't know who I am or care.)

 

[Derroreaper]

Yes, internet etiquette and paranoia. I seem to share similar opinions with another poster/posters, therefore, I must be one of those individuals.

For a forum that is supposed to be filled with creative people, the extremely limited method of thinking practiced by a few is appalling.

But, yes, I am an alt, hence the silly name. I will not post under my author name to avoid the retribution mentioned here often. I also have my "main identity" in the GB. Another reason to write under a different tag.

A few people here who crossover forums might know it. but most of you have no idea who I am, which is no big deal, I am simply "Me"

I am amused by how the GB has such a bad rap here when the threads here degenerate into just as much nastiness. Also seems funny that more than half the threads here seem to belong in the GB. In fact many identical threads have been running there for years.

And as to bad behavior? I took a peek at Mr P's posts and see him talking about 2 posters who have not posted here in weeks, yet he still talks about him. Good thing there are no assholes here, though, like in the GB.

And I find it amusing Mr. P carries around some quote from a poster he doesn't like in his signature.

That tells me he owns you.

As does the fact you seem to be looking for me, and I am sure any other newbie here you don't like, to be him.

The real lark, is the "scouries" situation. Talk about a guy laughing his ass off.

He owns all of you.

Where the irony comes in, is the biggest cheater on this site is right there among you and has all but called it out and all the super sleuths here are still blaming some idiot who writes god-awful incest stories.

And here I thought Mr. P was a super secret agent.

Oh wow, you're so sneaky, we'd never figure out who your whiny ass really is, LOL.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its not LOVEBOAT, I tell yuh. A couple other folks come to mind but not LC.

 

[SecondCircle]

I can't help but laugh. This is how good discussions die. Usually someone gets butthurt because someone disagrees with them, but identity war is pretty good, too.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, being an LC groupie, you would get into that. The thread discussion is continuing, and you can contribute to it as you want. This is the normal transit of discussions. They break off into parallel discussions and they eventually die. You're choosing which parallel discussion you want to be involved in.

 

[Ironiclaconic]

On the topic of succubi, I find they are a great source of dramatic conflict. Horny sex demons are one thing but a temptress who makes characters choose between fantasy and reality, ethics and desires, or emotionless sex and romantic love? When a succubus slinks into one of my stories, I try to use her to generate conflict with every crook of her finger and swish of her tail.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

I think the best horror, though, is not when someone turns into an unworldly monster but when he/she twists into something that's still human, if at the extreme, creating the fear of how someone can go there--without becoming supernatural. The supernatural sort of bursts the fright value of horror, I think.

I think quite a few people share that attitude. If it doesn't exist, it's hard to be scared of it.

As a result a lot of the space horror used to occupy has been taken over by increasingly gory crime fiction.

And yet strangely there are plenty of people that seem to think a zombie apocalypse is plausible, so go figure

I like to see some imagination in horror. Human monsters are more plausible, and therefore a lot more frightening, but there's only so much that can be done with them and they get boring really quickly.

I think it's one of those things where there aren't really any right answers and everyone has their preferences.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

That's why your one of my two favorite authors. I love succubus stories, especially the political one the British politician. In-call with A Succubus.

Thanks (and to SecondCircle as well). I'm awkward taking compliments. Probably a British thing

"Incall" technically should be in the NH section as it probably falls into the category of soft and fuzzy succubus story. If I did that, though, it would make the ending predictable depending on which category I picked for the story. I think there should always be a little doubt in the reader's mind to spice up the story--is this this the time the 'nice' succubus loses control and tears his soul out? Apart from a few exceptions, I post everything to EH for that reason, which unfortunately does put a few fluffy, sex-fantasy succubus stories on the EH toplist.

Taking what looks like it should be a fluffy vamp/succubus story, adding a really nasty twist to the end and posting it to NH over EH could be rather amusing though...

 

[manyeyedhydra]

On the topic of succubi, I find they are a great source of dramatic conflict. Horny sex demons are one thing but a temptress who makes characters choose between fantasy and reality, ethics and desires, or emotionless sex and romantic love? When a succubus slinks into one of my stories, I try to use her to generate conflict with every crook of her finger and swish of her tail.

Yep, I love playing the moral angle as well.

I was really annoyed with "Jennifer's Body" for that reason. A succubus in a high school could cause chaos by manipulating people's desire. But instead they had her eat a few people that didn't matter in a really lazy, "Oh look, here's our scary demon", kind of way.

 

[Ironiclaconic]

Yep, I love playing the moral angle as well.

I was really annoyed with "Jennifer's Body" for that reason. A succubus in a high school could cause chaos by manipulating people's desire. But instead they had her eat a few people that didn't matter in a really lazy, "Oh look, here's our scary demon", kind of way.

Diablo Cody was coasting when she wrote that one.

 

[sr71plt]

I think it's one of those things where there aren't really any right answers and everyone has their preferences.

Probably. I've never ever watched or read a zombie anything, and don't have any plans ever to do so.

 

[SecondCircle]

Well, being an LC groupie, you would get into that. The thread discussion is continuing, and you can contribute to it as you want. This is the normal transit of discussions. They break off into parallel discussions and they eventually die. You're choosing which parallel discussion you want to be involved in.

Because I defended him when you were being a douche bag about his personal career in writing, this makes me a groupie? No it was just sort of irritating to see, so I stepped in. Could have been TxRad, PennLady, hydra, JamesB, or anyone. It just seemed low. LC ventures after some pretty questionable pursuits as well with you.

There are several points where I've disagreed with you, and several other times where you seemed intolerant towards others opinions in which I addressed that. But, you make very good points about a lot of stuff, and usually are pretty helpful to newcomers. Your writing is very good, and you're pretty accomplished as far as I can tell. Whoever wants to take time to "disprove" that is wasting their own time. Doesn't bother me because it doesn't matter much to me.

I ain't in the business of holding grudges or managing hurt feelings. If someone's being a douche, I just say it. Do I like your well thought out contributions to the threads here? Yes. Because you're an intellectual and can maintain in depth discussion about a singular topic, which I find enjoyable. Do I like the indifferent air of superiority in which you address people sometimes? No. I daresay I'm not the only one. No matter, I just wish we could worry about things less petty and let the nonsense fall away, as it will if not tended to.

 

[sr71plt]

This is you keeping a good discussion alive?

If you think I'm the one who has been a douche bag in the relationship with LC, then you either haven't read in very well or you, indeed, are a major LC groupie (but then it certainly was my impression that you came in on the third reel and mouthed off without looking around first). Either way that's your problem not mine.

Again, this is you being all indignant about the thread being taken off topic?

And, no, there's not a doubt in my mind that this new NEMouse who has cropped up here is LC. There's just too too much of LC in him and no one has ever had his nose up my butt like this on the forum other than LC.

 

[SecondCircle]

No this is responding to someone calling me a groupie, while trying to be respectful and clear some air at the same time. I have no intention of bearing some petty grudge with you that will surface at every turn in every thread. Doesn't make any sense to. We've attacked each other in the past, but if you really are the mature one between you and your "arch nemesis with many names," then you could agree that we have the capacity to move past it.

As far as what I meant about the discussion, I was merely trying to point out that its a nuisance trying to simply agree with a poster about the topic at hand without someone bringing up the grudges and nonsense... which spirals into this. Senseless arguments where one defends himself against another while another defends himself against one.

I guess what I was trying to say is let the slandering go and let's just talk about horror. I say this with utmost respect for the authors here, and hopefully we can all agree it ain't too much to ask.

 

[sr71plt]

Fine. Then resist the urge to weigh in on the nonsense (which you didn't).

 

[SecondCircle]

And now gentlemen if you would please join me in the parlor, we will be having white cake.

 

[slyc_willie]

I think quite a few people share that attitude. If it doesn't exist, it's hard to be scared of it.

My wife and I had a conversation about this a few weeks ago. She gets nothing from slasher flicks other than an occasional queasy stomach. That's not the same as a sense of dread or fear that horror is supposed to evoke.

On the other hand, we both share the idea that movies like Sinister (as a recent example) are truly frightening because they take ordinary people and put a supernatural spin on them. It's not whether or not ghosts, spirits, and demons actually exist; it's the idea that, in movies and stories about them, because they have no physical component, the watcher/reader can project themselves into the story and see how all the supernatural aspects could be explained away as psychosis.

As a result a lot of the space horror used to occupy has been taken over by increasingly gory crime fiction.

And yet strangely there are plenty of people that seem to think a zombie apocalypse is plausible, so go figure

I don't understand the fascination with zombie horror either, much less the people who are preparing for it. There are even schools and workshops that teach people how to fight zombies.

I think one of the reasons the gore angle has overtaken horror is because it's easy to do, and there is a large fanbase that possesses a morbid fascination for seeing people die in disgusting ways. Personally, I liked the Saw movies, not for the gore, but for the intricacies of the traps. I wouldn't classify the franchise as horror, though. Gory crime fiction seems a better descriptor.

I like to see some imagination in horror. Human monsters are more plausible, and therefore a lot more frightening, but there's only so much that can be done with them and they get boring really quickly.

Ditto, ditto, and ditto. Although I like to think that my horror stories do have some original facets to them (don't we all?), or at least some engaging characters.

 

[SecondCircle]

I think the best horror, though, is not when someone turns into an unworldly monster but when he/she twists into something that's still human, if at the extreme, creating the fear of how someone can go there--without becoming supernatural. The supernatural sort of bursts the fright value of horror, I think.

Just curious, as I always am about everyone's preferences when it concerns horror (not an attack, valid discussion). If you read a story that had good pacing and all that but had let's say paranormal or otherworldly elements in them, does that particular element flip the switch for you? As in no more reading and back click?

Just trying to get a feel for different tastes in horror. You said you prefer I'm guessing human monsters. What sort of story gives you chills? Like not just creeps you out, but in your personal experience what sort of human monster or other type of natural fear really strikes a chord with you?