Erotic Horror
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I'm putting it in Scifi, I would say erotic horror is being scared during the sex. midway though you realize it's alien etc.
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I'm a big fan of horror, and when I came to lit and browsed the erotic horror category, I was a tad bit disappointed by what I found. Not to say that there aren't good erotic horror stories there, but most didn't really fit the criteria of what I was looking for.
Usually, if it involves anything supernatural or paranormal, people put their story in EH. I can understand why, but horror means more to me than just having those basic elements. There has to be... well... horror. Most of what I read involved demons or succubi or vampires, which do make for a good story, but I experienced no fear, no dread, no nervous look over my shoulder into the dark, none of that. So while a lot of those submissions were good, to me they weren't "erotic horror."
I'm currently sort of experimenting with the EH category right now. I'm trying to see if you can actually read a story (or write one for that matter) that is both hot and scary. Hopefully I can pull that off.
To me, your story would have to depend on the elements within the story. If it's meant to evoke a feeling of fear, then EH it is. But in my opinion (key word) if it simply involves supernatural characters, ID consider a different route. And of course I think there needs to be some eroticism in it, sex or otherwise.
Once again though, that's just my opinion. I'm sure that many would appreciate the story in the EH category. I would back click.
Usually, if it involves anything supernatural or paranormal, people put their story in EH. I can understand why, but horror means more to me than just having those basic elements. There has to be... well... horror. Most of what I read involved demons or succubi or vampires, which do make for a good story, but I experienced no fear, no dread, no nervous look over my shoulder into the dark, none of that. So while a lot of those submissions were good, to me they weren't "erotic horror."
I'm currently sort of experimenting with the EH category right now. I'm trying to see if you can actually read a story (or write one for that matter) that is both hot and scary. Hopefully I can pull that off.
To me, your story would have to depend on the elements within the story. If it's meant to evoke a feeling of fear, then EH it is. But in my opinion (key word) if it simply involves supernatural characters, ID consider a different route. And of course I think there needs to be some eroticism in it, sex or otherwise.
Once again though, that's just my opinion. I'm sure that many would appreciate the story in the EH category. I would back click.
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I think my "Snaked" met the bill. (http://www.literotica.com/s/snaked). (And, no, it's not GM.)
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Your vamp story qualifies for SciFi Fantasy. Probably Romance as well. Not Erotic Horror.
BTW, I cracked up at sr's answer.
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Best audience for vamps is Non-Human (if it's more romantic) or Erotic Horror (if there's more of a danger element). Sci-Fi and Fantasy is more for setting. A present day story with Vamps is probably going to be a little too mundane for that section.
To the poster commenting on the feeling of dread aspect, or lack of it, it sounds like you're skimming the toplists, which perversely isn't the best place. Literotica is an erotica site, so stories are scored primarily on the hotness of their sex content (even in the Erotic Horror section). My darker stories (ones with bad ends and icky stuff) usually score much lower, rarely breaking the 4.5 mark.
To the poster commenting on the feeling of dread aspect, or lack of it, it sounds like you're skimming the toplists, which perversely isn't the best place. Literotica is an erotica site, so stories are scored primarily on the hotness of their sex content (even in the Erotic Horror section). My darker stories (ones with bad ends and icky stuff) usually score much lower, rarely breaking the 4.5 mark.
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Nah it was more than the top lists, though that's not to say I didn't find some good ones out there. Yours were pretty darn good, manyeye. And you're pretty accurate about the scores to these stories. That's just the way it is I suppose. There are less readers on lit that want to see well weaved stories than good sex scenes. Oh well. I just would like to see horror on some of those top lists.
I think the problem here with EH, is kind of a problem a lot of categories have and it's simply cliche.
Many stories I have found there are Vamp stories and many along the line of "sparkly vampire" and as someone said, NH is best suited for the watering down of vamps and werewolves. It's pretty much the Twilight/underworld category.
EH also suffers from an absolute overload of Succubus stories. I have found some good ones, but a lot of poor ones and it is obvious many of the authors have no clue what a succubus truly is "A sexy demon who likes sex, yay!"
I think EH is in a tie with BDSM in that it draws a ton of "pretenders" You can tell a good EH/BDSM story in about the first two paragraphs. By then you have that feeling of, Yes they get it, or not a clue.
Many stories I have found there are Vamp stories and many along the line of "sparkly vampire" and as someone said, NH is best suited for the watering down of vamps and werewolves. It's pretty much the Twilight/underworld category.
EH also suffers from an absolute overload of Succubus stories. I have found some good ones, but a lot of poor ones and it is obvious many of the authors have no clue what a succubus truly is "A sexy demon who likes sex, yay!"
I think EH is in a tie with BDSM in that it draws a ton of "pretenders" You can tell a good EH/BDSM story in about the first two paragraphs. By then you have that feeling of, Yes they get it, or not a clue.
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Or your mother-in-law.
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I honestly cannot say that the mouse does not squeak true. The EH category does suffer from this. But in truth I just wish the category scared me as well as turned me on, in no particular order. You crazies out there know what I mean
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Yeah, you always were an LC groupie.
But I don't get a horror fix on the succubus thing either.
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Um... Yeah, I might be a little culpable in the explosion of succubus stories in EH. I've posted a lot of them in there over the years
They're more for the sex fix. The typical trope is to seduce a victim into a vulnerable spot and then have the seducer transform into something monstrous and do something nasty to the victim. Fine for horror, but often kills the mood in erotica stories.
Take a vampire. They might seduce a victim over just to fang them in the neck. They might seduce a victim over, fuck their brains out and then fang them in the neck. The key thing is, at some point they're going to stop fucking and fang the poor bastard in the neck.
Succubi have an advantage in heavier porn/erotica-themed work because they don't stop the sex part and keep going until the poor(lucky in some eyes) bastard dies of it. Perfect monster for porn, which is probably why they're popular here.
Horror is always going to be relative, though, especially on what's scary. For some people it has to be a realistic threat that could potentially happen in real life. Personally I find that rather dull as it restricts a writer to serial killers and other mundane things.
They're more for the sex fix. The typical trope is to seduce a victim into a vulnerable spot and then have the seducer transform into something monstrous and do something nasty to the victim. Fine for horror, but often kills the mood in erotica stories.
Take a vampire. They might seduce a victim over just to fang them in the neck. They might seduce a victim over, fuck their brains out and then fang them in the neck. The key thing is, at some point they're going to stop fucking and fang the poor bastard in the neck.
Succubi have an advantage in heavier porn/erotica-themed work because they don't stop the sex part and keep going until the poor(lucky in some eyes) bastard dies of it. Perfect monster for porn, which is probably why they're popular here.
Horror is always going to be relative, though, especially on what's scary. For some people it has to be a realistic threat that could potentially happen in real life. Personally I find that rather dull as it restricts a writer to serial killers and other mundane things.
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No such advantage in my vampire stories. They do the same thing--fuck and suck 'em to death, and they (the victims) are ecstatic with the ultimate fuck. My vampires make their own rules.
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I think Hydra's made an interesting point. The conventional assumption is that vampires in most stories are the romantic, "tortured yet romantic soul that just can't help the evil they commit" variety. There's an established set of expectations concerning them, thanks to all the ridiculous romanticized vampire fiction out there. They're supposed to be pretty, eternally young, hot, sexy, rich, and -- the good ones, anyway -- romantic, and for whatever reason attracted to us simple mortals who in some way "can teach them so much."
But there's not so much of that kind of popular history with succubi. The only one in current popular culture I can think of is Bo in the SyFy series Lost Girl (which, unfortunately, has adopted too many of the young-and-sexy tropes from vampire/werewolf fiction). So there aren't as many assumptions or expectations when it comes to succubi stories.
But there's not so much of that kind of popular history with succubi. The only one in current popular culture I can think of is Bo in the SyFy series Lost Girl (which, unfortunately, has adopted too many of the young-and-sexy tropes from vampire/werewolf fiction). So there aren't as many assumptions or expectations when it comes to succubi stories.
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Fuck reader expectations.
You and me both, but they're there. Some cater to them to develop an audience, others don't for the same reason.
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Um... Yeah, I might be a little culpable in the explosion of succubus stories in EH. I've posted a lot of them in there over the years
They're more for the sex fix. The typical trope is to seduce a victim into a vulnerable spot and then have the seducer transform into something monstrous and do something nasty to the victim. Fine for horror, but often kills the mood in erotica stories.
Take a vampire. They might seduce a victim over just to fang them in the neck. They might seduce a victim over, fuck their brains out and then fang them in the neck. The key thing is, at some point they're going to stop fucking and fang the poor bastard in the neck.
Succubi have an advantage in heavier porn/erotica-themed work because they don't stop the sex part and keep going until the poor(lucky in some eyes) bastard dies of it. Perfect monster for porn, which is probably why they're popular here.
Horror is always going to be relative, though, especially on what's scary. For some people it has to be a realistic threat that could potentially happen in real life. Personally I find that rather dull as it restricts a writer to serial killers and other mundane things.
That's why your one of my two favorite authors. I love succubus stories, especially the political one the British politician. In-call with A Succubus.
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So... I guess the assumption is that nemouse is lovecraft. Huh.
Anyway, I don't think it matters about the type of monster you use in the story. Vamps, werewolves, demons, succubi... they're all fine. For me, its the way they're written. I would agree that I'm tired of seeing the conflicted vampire that the guys and gals just can't help falling in love with. I like the parasitic sort, the type that would suck you dry and eat you, without all the crazy stipulations surrounding the mythology.
Succubi are perfect here, but often I find that, as hydra said, they are merely for the sex part of the story. It runs about half and half here, and some aren't very well written stories. They're just fantasy sex scenes.
Anyway, I don't think it matters about the type of monster you use in the story. Vamps, werewolves, demons, succubi... they're all fine. For me, its the way they're written. I would agree that I'm tired of seeing the conflicted vampire that the guys and gals just can't help falling in love with. I like the parasitic sort, the type that would suck you dry and eat you, without all the crazy stipulations surrounding the mythology.
Succubi are perfect here, but often I find that, as hydra said, they are merely for the sex part of the story. It runs about half and half here, and some aren't very well written stories. They're just fantasy sex scenes.
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I've mentioned this before, somewhere, but the problem with these creatures is that we are all so familiar with them. We've seen vamps and wolves etc time and again. That's not to say they can't still be done well, but any time you grow familiar with a creature in horror, or relate to it, or understand it, you stop fearing it. Its the reason you're supposed to only show tidbits of horror to begin with when writing horror and keep your monster in the shadows so to speak.
Human beings fear what we don't understand. We fear what we can't explain, can't predict, and can't survive. Its natural. The moment you start to relate to those things that go bump in the night, the second you understand what they are, you fear the bumps less and less.
But if its written in a way that places you in a situation that can properly suspend the feeling of disbelief, and simultaneously show the snarling face in the dark, it will still scare.
Human beings fear what we don't understand. We fear what we can't explain, can't predict, and can't survive. Its natural. The moment you start to relate to those things that go bump in the night, the second you understand what they are, you fear the bumps less and less.
But if its written in a way that places you in a situation that can properly suspend the feeling of disbelief, and simultaneously show the snarling face in the dark, it will still scare.
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I admire those who can do erotic horror well. Initially I often think it's impossible to do - I mean, I think to myself, how can you make the truly horrific erotic? But then, so many great movies do just exactly that. Werner Herzog's Nosferatu is outstanding to me, and even Polanski's Fearless Vampire Killers is immensely erotic in a peculiar kind of way.
You have to be so patient as a writer to develop horror properly. And I certainly admire that.
I personally don't find Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut either genuinely erotic or horrific, although it is generally credited as being both for obvious though I think, superficial reasons. Horror has to imply that there is something you are going to fear be in the mix there somewhere.
And nowadays when producers and directors use basic 'going over the top' tactics to invoke fear (Wolf Creek and too many others), a class horror tale is difficult to find when as I do, you are looking for something subtle.
Certainly I can fear excess. But it isn't admirable to tell a story about simple excessiveness.
Personally I think this is a very VERY challenging genre to do well.
You have to be so patient as a writer to develop horror properly. And I certainly admire that.
I personally don't find Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut either genuinely erotic or horrific, although it is generally credited as being both for obvious though I think, superficial reasons. Horror has to imply that there is something you are going to fear be in the mix there somewhere.
And nowadays when producers and directors use basic 'going over the top' tactics to invoke fear (Wolf Creek and too many others), a class horror tale is difficult to find when as I do, you are looking for something subtle.
Certainly I can fear excess. But it isn't admirable to tell a story about simple excessiveness.
Personally I think this is a very VERY challenging genre to do well.
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I'm giving the genre a shot since I'm a fan. Not to say that I'm doing well, but the stories seem well received with a few exceptions. It is difficult. I'm hoping that the fan base for horror will continue to grow, as well as for EH here.
I was reading something about horror flicks that was talking about the "jump scares" and stuff that you commonly see nowadays, and the slasher films and things like that. True horror won't just scare you temporarily with grotesque images and surprises that jump out at you. If done right, horror will stay with you long after you close the book out turn of the movie.
I was reading something about horror flicks that was talking about the "jump scares" and stuff that you commonly see nowadays, and the slasher films and things like that. True horror won't just scare you temporarily with grotesque images and surprises that jump out at you. If done right, horror will stay with you long after you close the book out turn of the movie.
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That's fairly obvious. Got caught out early on the distinctive vocabulary basis. And he's already quoting himself and patting himself on the back--and plunking at LC's old, tired (and, I might add, silly ass crazy and hypocritical) bugaboos.
A more interesting thought is that LC and Scouries dropped off (or just backed off for a while) at about the same time. That's a fun thought.
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