Eminem

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Phoenix, I admire your conern for the boy, I really do, but I didn't say a word about what's P.C., I'm only talking about the physiological development of a child. AYou gave a 5 year old porn and and 7 year old angst music which he is only able to discern as hate music because he doesn't have the critical faculty, either from experience of biology, to tell the difference. I don't care what bullshit you lay out about how he's okay and how you grew up blah-blah-blah -- you're mind-fucking a child.

Ya dig?

 

[GuyJD]

No problem Tri.

Guy, you have to be kidding...I've never heard you utter such a load of poop.

THAT'S IT FOR YOU DCL.......It's time out for you bucko.

 

[GuyJD]

No problem Tri.

Guy, you have to be kidding...I've never heard you utter such a load of poop.

Good, now I don't have to say it.

Taking a little advice from the good book of Dr. Spock...
It's time for you to go to your room, Ms. Melody_lane. And this time, it'll be without dessert.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

THAT'S IT FOR YOU DCL.......It's time out for you bucko. [/B]

Okay. But can we get ice cream after? LOL

 

[Melody_lane]

That's okay...

Taking a little advice from the good book of Dr. Spock...
It's time for you to go to your room, Ms. Melody_lane. And this time, it'll be without dessert. [/B]

As long as Dixon gets to join me-and give me my spanking.


Seriously though. I don't believe in time-outs either. I believe in talking with your children and explaining to them why something they did was wrong. Etc, etc.
A lot of what are in parenting books IS a crock, because every parent/child is individual. However, I don't see how anyone could argue that it is psychologically detrimental to show a 5 year old porn, unless they are only arguing to rage against what they view as a PC pleasing society.

Some follow the crowd, because they are mindless.
Some don't, for the same reason.

 

[Phoenix]

The Prodigal son

Ok since this is rapidly becoming the bash Phoenix post I might as well answer back. DCL when I said I gave Andre a porno mag at five I said as my lame ass attempt at sarcasm. Jesus I forgot when dealing with the elderly sometimes you have to dumb it down for them.

Cheyenne- You want to comment on my writing ability. What is wrong with you? Are you really that brain dead? First of all this Literotica thing is basically me getting my proverbial "rocks off." In other words I do not take anything on Lit seriously. If you have ever read anything I have ever posted in Lit you would have noticed that rarely if ever has it been serious with the exception of this thread which was written out of personal feelings. I have nothing to prove to any of you therefore why should I spent my time sitting back and methodically planning and editing when I could be doing more important things like banging on the wall when my Phoenix twin Asya and her hubby reinact their honeymoon ( shrudders). Frankly if I may be so verbose you were never on parallel to compete with me hon if I took this seriously. To me Lit is just someplace where I am allowed to relax and not deal with the pressure of my college editor, professors, and superiors at my job. In Layman's terms I am just letting my hair down, which is odd since I just cut it the other day. Oh well.

And now for the bastard son that the hanger could not even get rid of... the bitch ass going around as Phoenix Jr.- Look son we never met and frankly me and your mother had issues but I can be a good father.... Ooops wrong Phoenix Jr. Ok time to reach into my book the Bill Cosby Parent 101 handbook. Wait it says right here in order to be a good daddy "I have to make you sit front of the TV and watch Sesame St. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and 366 on the leap years until you are 16 years old then I am supposed to perverbially toss you into the wilderness and let you find out how the world really works by yourself while I enjoy a Pudding pop and a nice cup of JELLO." hmm interesting see P.J. this is what you are recommending. Sorry reality is the world is a war and I doing what I can to make sure my boy knows how to survive. You understand.

And to my other detractor if you have opinions voice them. After all this is an independent discussion and frankly your opinions to me are meanlingless pointless and unproven redoric. Thank you and stay in school*

* Proverbial PSA for those not bright enough to tell the difference between opinions and reality.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: The Prodigal son

Frankly if I may be so verbose you were never on parallel to compete with me hon if I took this seriously.

After all this is an independent discussion and frankly your opinions to me are meanlingless pointless and unproven redoric.

Uh huh. You just keep thinking that, son.

Care to define unproven "redoric" for us?

 

[GuyJD]

Re: That's okay...

Taking a little advice from the good book of Dr. Spock...
It's time for you to go to your room, Ms. Melody_lane. And this time, it'll be without dessert.

As long as Dixon gets to join me-and give me my spanking.
[/B]

Okay, I guess I can allow you two to be caged into your room together and he can politely and oh so nicely SPANK THAT ASS of yours. Then he can lick the ice cream off of you. Why shouldn't both of you get dessert?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Phoneix I stopped reading once I got to the "dumbing down" crack, which, if you'd actually read anything I wrote above, should show you I've got more than my share of cookies in the jar. You're too dumb to truly carry on a debate with. Everything becomes about how people are "bashing you", and you're hearing nothing about the child. You're 19. I'll pick this up again after you've grown some hair.

 

[Melody_lane]

Hey, I'm only 20!

Can I still play with the big people?

I promise to shave the hair that I've grown.

 

[Chuckus]

Re: Hey, I'm only 20!

Can I still play with the big people?

I promise to shave the hair that I've grown.

Melody, I think you would know where I stand on this issue? *Grinning wildly.......* You can come play with me anytime.......

Phoenix, dude.........I see what you say. BUT I gotta say this, I am not one to take people speaking of violence against women lightly, everyone has the freedom of speech yadda yadda yadda~~~but NONE of my CHILDREN would ever listen to that. The beats might be good and all that but that just has no sense. I don't personally listen to Eminem, nor would I (I have actually listened to the Eminem CD) on a regular basis, but IF someone doesn't want to listen to it then they shouldn't. On the more serious side, WE as adults need to help make decisions for INNOCENT children who do not know the difference between RIGHT and WRONG. Until that child is old enough to decide for themselves.........now you say what is age is the age of consent? That is a very individual case, depends on the child and the enviroment. Now this being the case and your god-son, or whatever, is 7.......I have a nephew that is 7 and will be 8 soon......NO WAY IN HELL I would let him listen to that. End of discussion. There is music that I listen to, that if my nephew is around I do not play....children are very very delicate and their need to be limits and in my opinion those limits need to be set by us the ADULTS who are supposed to be Parental figures to the innocent children who cannot make their own decisions YET. Good day............and Phoenix....Peace man, I am not trying to bash you just my two cents worth.

 

[TonyG]

Originally posted by Dixon Carter Lee
...Everything becomes about how people are "bashing you", and you're hearing nothing about the child.

Phoenix, I have to agree with DCL. No one is bashing you or telling you how to raise your godson. We are discussing the lack of ability for ANY child to comprehend the difference between right and wrong IN AN ADULT SITUATION.

I have listed below partial segments from two of Eminem's songs and could not fathom ANY child listening to them. What is worse is that the two I have listed pale in comparison to some of the other phrases in his songs.

(from song "kill you")
Slut, you think I won't choke no whore, till her vocal cords don't work in her throat no more....Shut up slut you're causing too much chaos, just bend over and take it like a slut.

(from song "kim")
[kim's screams are heard]Go ahead yell, here I'll scream witcha...Ah somebody help!...Don't you get it bitch, no one can hear you. Now shut the fuck up and get what's comin to you...you were supposed to love me. [choking sounds from kim are heard]
Now bleed bitch bleed....bleed bitch bleed....bleeeed.

 

[*Eve*]

Getting back to the Original Question.......

I am a woman and, I purchased Eminem's last CD and I enjoyed it. I have always been a fan of Hip Hop since the Sugar Hill Gang and Curtis Blow. When rap became popular, it the most outrageous thing about it was one MC dissn' another MC about how much better her can rock the Mic. Now it's "I'm gonna smoke you nigga" and "Bitch's ain't shit but Ho's and Tricks" A lot of that you have to take with a grain of salt. Most rappers are playing the game. They know what sells. Taking about being the baddest rapper around is not going to sell records which is why people like Tupac and Notorious BIG are like hip hop Gods in death. If you follow Hip Hop culture rappers rap about what they know and what they grew up with. If they grew up in the projects and dealt drugs and were in gangs, that's what they are going to rap about. People relate to that. Then there are the posers who claim the streets as their home, but that's another issue. Now as far as we know Eminem has several issues, he comes from a broken home and has obviously had a messed up home life and marriage. I'm not making excuses for him because I think he's hot. Hopefully I am more mature than to make my decisions on something so superficial as looks. BTW he doesn't do a thing for me lookwise. I think he's a good Hip Hop artist and I enjoy his music. Really, the only reason he is being singled out for being a woman hater and someone full problems is because he's white. What do you think Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre are rapping about.
I enjoy Hip Hop music and Enimen is a good Hip Hop artist who just happens to be white.
My second point is people get upset over his message and I bet every single person who objects haven't listened to him on the very same CD saying that he is not a role model and that it's not his job to police children on what they listen to but their parents.
Excerpt from "I am what I say I am"
"And it seems like the media immediately
Points a finger at me--
So I point one back at them but not the index or pinky
Or the ring or the thumb it's the one you put up
When you don't give a fuck when you just won't put up
With the bullshit they pull cuz they full of shit too
When a dude's getting bullied and shots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn--
And the heroin where were the parents at
And look where it's at
Middle America now it's a tragedy, now it's so sad to see
An Upper Class city having this happen
Then attack Eminem cause I rap this way
But I'm glad cuz it feeds me the fuel that I need
For the fire to burn in it's burnin' I've returned"

Basically if you just missed the point of that parents perhaps you need to be a little more careful and more involved in your childs lives instead of blaming the music that they listen to. I am 24 so obviously old enough to pick and choose what I can listen to or watch. I wasn't even allowed to watch PG 13 movies until I was actually 13. So really if parents took more time to figure out what is going on you your child's life then there wouldn't be this finger pointing game.

Phoenix, I certainly see where you're coming from but I have to say that 7 or 5 is not a suitable age for this material. You may think that your Godchild is wise enough to know fact from reality and no one disputes the intelligence of him but really let him be a child a little bit longer. One of the fun things about being a kid is the mystery and wonder in the world. The air of innocence. Don't take that from him. I don't doubt that you are devoted to your Godson and God bless you, but really, he's still a baby.

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Thankyou eve, well spoken

 

[riff]

Who cares what he is saying? His music sucks... like a Sly Stone movie...

 

[riff]

Since when is M&M hip-hop? He's just another whiteboy rapper cashing in. Makes about as much sense as... well, considering most of the people I know, it makes plenty of sense. Have at it. Get your fill.

 

[Never]

I don't know if I'm young enough to be considered a girl here but it's possible to enjoy a piece of music and still not become part of a lifestyle or belief system which the performer advocates.
This seems to have become a thread about what children should or should not listen to; unfortunately while I agree that Eminem is not proper material for anyone under 13, only the parents or guardians of a child can control what they listen too.

Phoenix represents one end of the spectrum wherein someone like my grandmother, who believed that anything other than gospel music was evil and removed the alarum/radio from my bedroom when she caught me listening to classical, represents another. In my opinion however, a single album, pornographic magazine, or what have you will not mess with the mind of a child who is loved and taught respect and compassion. Despite the constant gospel music, my grandmother managed to raise two violent drunks - likewise I know several people who spent their childhood surrounded by gangs, drugs, and considerable violence, yet because of the support of their families and their home environment became intelligent, successful and caring people.

 

[Nobody Special's wife]

I feel that rap can be bad or good for that matter I have listen to ICP but then I think there hilarious ...(yes I have a morbid since of humor ) But IF and When I have children I will have them listening to country music...Then when they get older to make there own decisions on music I will be happy to let them explore ..Till then I listen to what I want and Happy to listen to the hubby seranade me


THE WIFE

 

[Guest]

Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead guys, but I had to speak up on some stuff.

Phoenix. Now I don't know where the fuck you got the idea that I was bashing you from and found a reason to call me 'bitch ass'. All I was doing was voicing my opinion on the issue in general, not on what you yourself were doing. I was at no point naming names, and certainly not 'bashing' you. I don't know you personally and have nothing against you, so calm the fuck down next time.

And, by the way, just because my name is Phoenix Jr. doesn't mean I claim any connection to you. I've used the name many times before on the net, and wanted to use it again. But seeing as you'd already applied it, I decided on choosing a variation. I wrote my reason in my first post, so as to avoid any confusion. Obviously it didn't work. When I get around to registering (which I haven't done yet, as I didn't think I'd be around that long) I'll take on a different name.

On further note, since when did I quote Bill Cosby as a good psychologist? I believe I was talking about Jean Piaget, an actual acclaimed developmental psychologist not a Hollywood parent who thinks just being a parent can qualify them to tell others how to raise their kids. If you wanna know who Piaget is, go do a search on the net, as it's not my job to make sure you actually know what you're talking about.

Happy New Year all, don't let me spoil it .