Election 2012; Darkness Descends on America Part Three…

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When I write of Darkness Descending on America, it is not just a metaphor concerning the devolution from liberty into statist socialism and slavery. It is the literal ‘going dark’ as the result of nearly a half century of effort by such anti American groups as the Sierra Club, a mixture of militant environmental Nazi’s and Ecology freaks, that have hampered efforts to supply electricity to the American public.

Uttering such syrupy bromides as, ‘save the planet’, ‘pristine wilderness’, incestuous groups who hate mankind, progress, expansion and want the population to decline, the anti industrial pastoral socialists, have slowed the growth of American enterprise and electric generation to a point where a crisis looms in the next few years.

It is not just the number of electric generating plants that the aged hippies have stopped building, it is the continual harassment and intimidation in the courts and through legislation, the threat from DC to bankrupt anyone foolish enough to build a coal fired plant, all combine to offer a dim future for Americans everywhere.

It is unthinkable to most that one fine day the lights would go off and not come back on.

There is approximately a three day supply of food in the markets without replenishment. With no electricity, nothing moves.

Do the research, do the math. Plants are retired due to age; no new electric generating plants are being built. The population and the demand for electricity continue to grow and the supply is stagnant or decreasing.

What will you do when the lights go out?


“Total electric power generated in the US

Steady rise from 1949, smallest increase 1973- 1974 1.864.1 1,870.3

First year to year decrease in power generated, in billion kilowatts

2000 3.802.1
2001 3.767.6

2007 4.156.7
2008 4.119.4
2009 3.950.3

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data.cfm#generation

"NERC’s assessment shows there are 4 areas of vulnerability. First, reserve margins, the capacity above what is required to meet normal peak demand, can be severely affected due to either the retirement of plants that do not meet the standards or the de-rating of capacity for plants that add environmental equipment in order to meet the standard. NERC regional planners would like reserve margins to be at 10 to 20 percent of peak demand to meet surges in power demand caused by weather, outages, or other unexpected occurrences.

"Second, while plants are offline to install environmental equipment required to meet the new EPA guidelines, electricity generation will be lowered. Third, retrofitting the units to meet the standards in the short time frame mandated (2012-2015) will require coordination of plant outages among the industry, requiring a massive effort since it typically takes about 18 months to add environmental equipment to a coal-fired unit.

"Finally, because there are a limited number of companies that design and install scrubbers, the time for retrofitting may increase beyond the typical 18-month period, which could cause additional generation to be off-line and further lower reserve margins.

"All told, NERC estimates that as many as 677 coal-fired units (258 gigawatts) will need to be temporarily shut down to install EPA-mandated equipment, which constitutes an impact on over 70 percent of our total coal-fired capacity.”

Other Estimates

"There are good reasons to believe that EPA’s regulations will force more generating units off line. According to the Edison Electric Institute, for example, about 48 gigawatts of coal units at 231 plants will be retired between 2010 and 2022. That capacity represents 14 percent of the 339 gigawatts of coal-fired power capacity in 2010, or about 5 percent of total generating capacity.[ii]
Recently, the Institute for Energy Research (IER) compiled a list of all of the generating units that will be closed according to EPA’s model and utilities’ disclosures because of the transport rule (CSAPR and CATR) and the utility MACT rule. IER found that almost 30 gigawatts of electric generating capacity will be taken offline due to these two rules alone. That amount is about double the number originally predicted by the EPA and represents nearly 10 percent of total coal generating capacity in the U.S.

"To put it in perspective: this is the equivalent of closing every power plant in the state of North Carolina or Indiana...”

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Not just a possibility, a certainty and inevitable. Thanks to progressives, liberals and democrats everywhere…

Amicus
 
I love you Ami.

But to answer your worrying, we are in no danger of losing power, we're just far more efficient about using it. Replacing high wattage energy sucking things from light bulbs to ovens to ac with more efficient ones we can run the country on a fourth the electricity you're used to. And a lot of homes (like mine) are off the grid on something like solar, wind, or natural gas, and have no need to be attached to a central electric supplier like a "plant". I sell electricity back to the city every month rather then paying for it. We just don't depend on central stations like we used to. It makes life easier. One fewer bill to pay.
 
Poor Amicus, pining away for the dirty coal-fired plants of his youth.

First they took away his favorite lunchbox snack (lead paint chips), now dirty electric plants. If it wasn't for his socialist government check each month, I'm sure his life wouldn't be worth living.
 
I love you Ami.

But to answer your worrying, we are in no danger of losing power, we're just far more efficient about using it. Replacing high wattage energy sucking things from light bulbs to ovens to ac with more efficient ones we can run the country on a fourth the electricity you're used to. And a lot of homes (like mine) are off the grid on something like solar, wind, or natural gas, and have no need to be attached to a central electric supplier like a "plant". I sell electricity back to the city every month rather then paying for it. We just don't depend on central stations like we used to. It makes life easier. One fewer bill to pay.

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It doesn't sound as if you are fond of me or the numbers I offered.

First off, all of the 'alternatives' you mention, and more, do not account for more than a small percent of one percent in savings. Essetially, you are one of those numbeded in the hundreds, maybe low thousands, that put energy back into the system, statistically irrelevant.

The big users of electiribt, aluminum plants, factories, mines, agriculture, increase each year to serve a growing population.

There is nothing wrong with conservation or new energy efficient appliances and so forth, but it does not even come close to addressing the problem created by decades of neglect and resistance to more energy plants...

and I think you know that...

so why blow a sour note on your horn?

amicus
 
Poor Rob, poor fella, lives in his mothers basement, she does his laundry and cooks, soft foods only, he lost his teeth to meth...has herpes simplex in both eyes and his mouth; struggles to get the cocktail of drugs right in his HIV treatment regimen and is continually running out of diapers for his bleeding anus...

such a life

shoot yourself
 
Poor Rob, poor fella, lives in his mothers basement, she does his laundry and cooks, soft foods only, he lost his teeth to meth...has herpes simplex in both eyes and his mouth; struggles to get the cocktail of drugs right in his HIV treatment regimen and is continually running out of diapers for his bleeding anus...

such a life

shoot yourself

reblogged for eye herpes.

That interests me more then it should.
 
reblogged for eye herpes.

That interests me more then it should.

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Ah, I thought you might come back and provide some statistics and resource materials for your glowing claims about alternative energy and off grid percentages of the whole energy picture.

As you gave your very sweet opinion only with no reference to any factual data.

Like so many here who depend on faith and belief in the liberal cause, you never stop to questrion your assumptions or provide a foundation for your claims.

None of the forms of alternative energy are cost effective when compared to traditional energy sources. Estimates are that it will take ten to thirty years for homeowners to recover their investment in solar or wind generated electricity.

People all over the coutnry are removing the huge wind turbines from nearby properties because of the advese effects to the environment and to peace and quiet.

Solar power is fine in Nevada, well, kinda, because there are no means to transmit the energy to users, your environemtnal queens forbid building transmission lines.

And your home, off the grid thing? Laugable; you will never recover the costsl, so you are paying for both grid energy and your own little piddling amountl.\

Who climbs on the roof and cleans your solar panels every day? Oh, you pay to have it done...how nice...

There is an energy crisis coming and it cannot be stopped. It takes too long to build new plants and bring them on line. There will be brownouts and blackouts occurring on a regular basis in the next few yeas...

Just because you dream it and hope for it, does not make it so.

amicus
 
Poor Rob, poor fella, lives in his mothers basement, she does his laundry and cooks, soft foods only, he lost his teeth to meth...has herpes simplex in both eyes and his mouth; struggles to get the cocktail of drugs right in his HIV treatment regimen and is continually running out of diapers for his bleeding anus...

such a life

shoot yourself


You keep trying to scare people by saying they have medical conditions. Why is that?
 
Remember: once you organize people around something as commonly agreed upon as pollution, then an organized people is on the move.
Saul David Alinsky
Rules for Radicals

"It is not half so important to know as to feel."
Rachel Carson

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
 
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It doesn't sound as if you are fond of me or the numbers I offered.

First off, all of the 'alternatives' you mention, and more, do not account for more than a small percent of one percent in savings. Essetially, you are one of those numbeded in the hundreds, maybe low thousands, that put energy back into the system, statistically irrelevant.

The big users of electiribt, aluminum plants, factories, mines, agriculture, increase each year to serve a growing population.

There is nothing wrong with conservation or new energy efficient appliances and so forth, but it does not even come close to addressing the problem created by decades of neglect and resistance to more energy plants...

and I think you know that...

so why blow a sour note on your horn?

amicus

This is about what I was going to say; the desired efficiencies, conservation as creation, may be completely illusory in a dying economy, one being stifled by taxes and stagnating under regulatory bankruptcy. Only the largest can compete in such an environment (and how Hitler was able to be portrayed by the surviving Socialist factions as a right-winger, by pointing to how big business was supporting him, but then as now all they were trying to do was buy protection, the way they now do with Obama specifically and DC in general) and thus you get little or no new competition, depressing creativity and innovation, two activities which actually cause expansion at a time when we are in a virtual contraction with the touted economic "gains" of Socialism being outpaced by natural population growth.
 
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Ah, I thought you might come back and provide some statistics and resource materials for your glowing claims about alternative energy and off grid percentages of the whole energy picture.

As you gave your very sweet opinion only with no reference to any factual data.

Like so many here who depend on faith and belief in the liberal cause, you never stop to questrion your assumptions or provide a foundation for your claims.

None of the forms of alternative energy are cost effective when compared to traditional energy sources. Estimates are that it will take ten to thirty years for homeowners to recover their investment in solar or wind generated electricity.

People all over the coutnry are removing the huge wind turbines from nearby properties because of the advese effects to the environment and to peace and quiet.

Solar power is fine in Nevada, well, kinda, because there are no means to transmit the energy to users, your environemtnal queens forbid building transmission lines.

And your home, off the grid thing? Laugable; you will never recover the costsl, so you are paying for both grid energy and your own little piddling amountl.\

Who climbs on the roof and cleans your solar panels every day? Oh, you pay to have it done...how nice...

There is an energy crisis coming and it cannot be stopped. It takes too long to build new plants and bring them on line. There will be brownouts and blackouts occurring on a regular basis in the next few yeas...

Just because you dream it and hope for it, does not make it so.

amicus

I guess I can but I didn't care enough to. Hold on a sec.
 
Here we go, complete with little graphs. This is literally the first thing off google, so, enjoy that. Us Energy Information Administration

shows that even though we have more housing, the energy costs have fallen. Wow, that was not difficult to do at all. You could have easily googled that yourself.
 
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It doesn't sound as if you are fond of me or the numbers I offered.

First off, all of the 'alternatives' you mention, and more, do not account for more than a small percent of one percent in savings. Essetially, you are one of those numbeded in the hundreds, maybe low thousands, that put energy back into the system, statistically irrelevant.

The big users of electiribt, aluminum plants, factories, mines, agriculture, increase each year to serve a growing population.

There is nothing wrong with conservation or new energy efficient appliances and so forth, but it does not even come close to addressing the problem created by decades of neglect and resistance to more energy plants...

and I think you know that...

so why blow a sour note on your horn?

amicus

According to IEA/OECD, electricity consumption 2008 broke down like this in the United States:

Residential: 36,2 %
Commercial/Public Services: 35 %
Industry: 24 %
Transport: 0.2%
Other: 4.59%

So yeah, the big users ARE households, as well as the same type of use but in offices, schools, shops, public spaces and so on. Savings made in energy efficient appliances, heating, cooling and lighting can in fact make a huge impact.

Agriculture, and yes it had it's own category separate from Industry in the statistics, didn't even register. Their energy needs are, like transportation, mainly petroleum based. This might change in the future with more electric vehicles though, but not for decades, I suppose.
 
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Here we go, complete with little graphs. This is literally the first thing off google, so, enjoy that. Us Energy Information Administration

(shows that even though we have more housing, the energy costs have fallen.) Wow, that was not difficult to do at all. You could have easily googled that yourself.

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Yeah, jump right in there, first thing off google...sure...above, the agency 'says' that, they do not 'show' it, they can say anything...but read closely, especially how the newly efficient appliances caused overall energy use to decrease (it didn')

The shocker comes at the very end...

EIA US Energy Information Adminsitration (Independent statistics and analysis)

Released: June 6, 2012

"Total United States energy consumption in homes has remained relatively stable for many years as increased energy efficiency has offset the increase in the number and average size of housing units, (false and no proof)according to the newly released data from the Residential Energy Consumption Survey (RECS). The average household consumed 90 million British thermal units (Btu) in 2009 based on RECS. This continues the downward trend in average residential energy consumption of the last 30 years.(again, false and no proof, just the statement) Despite increases in the number and the average size of homes plus increased use of electronics, improvements in efficiency for space heating, air conditioning, and major appliances have all led to decreased consumption per household. (see the percentage of increase and decrease at the bottom)

Air conditioning in nearly 100 million U.S. homes

The impact of increasing home size on energy demand
Released: April 19, 2012

Homes built since 1990 are on average 27% larger than homes built in earlier decades, a significant trend because most energy end-uses are correlated with the size of the home. As square footage increases, the burden on heating and cooling equipment rises, lighting requirements increase, and the likelihood that the household uses more than one refrigerator increases. Square footage typically stays fixed over the life of a home and it is a characteristic that is expensive, even impractical to alter to reduce energy consumption.

EIA household energy use data now includes detail on 16 States (up from 4 States in the previous report, four states?)

Released: March 28, 2011

EIA is releasing new benchmark estimates for home energy use for the year 2009 that include detailed data for 16 States, 12 more than in past EIA residential energy surveys.

Share of energy used by appliances and consumer electronics increases in U.S. homes

Released: March 28, 2011

Over the past three decades, the share of residential electricity used by appliances and electronics in U.S. homes has nearly doubled from 17 percent to 31 percent, growing from 1.77 quadrillion Btu (quads) to 3.25 quads. This rise has occurred while Federal energy efficiency standards were enacted on every major appliance, overall household energy consumption actually decreased from 10.58 quads to 10.55 quads, and energy use per household fell 31 percent. (notice the inconsistency: energy increase from 1.77 to 3.25 , the decrease figures, 10.58 to 10.55)


+1.0% +1.2% -0.1% -1.3% -0.8

Average
Annual
Change


Those numbers are the shockers as they claim that increaed efficiency has reduced tremendously the overall energy consumed. If you observe the miniscule changes above, the plus and minus figures are almost a wash and surely not responsible for the energy consumpution decrease claimed.

I happen to have a new energy efficient refrigerator; all other things being equal, the more 'efficient' appliance used three percent more electricity than my old one.

The major reason some energy consumption iis down is that prices are skyrocketing just like this administration said they would and people are using less electricity because they cannot afford any more.

But this little argument is all poppycock, just compare the production of electricity in the US to the consumption and graph the results...blackout 2014, according to the numbers....that is when demand oiutstrips supply based on projected supply and demand.

turn out the lights....the party's over.... (NFL way back when dandy don was doin' things)

amicus
 
But this little argument is all poppycock, just compare the production of electricity in the US to the consumption and graph the results...blackout 2014, according to the numbers....that is when demand oiutstrips supply based on projected supply and demand.

turn out the lights....the party's over.... (NFL way back when dandy don was doin' things)

amicus

I know it's a waste of time trying to educate a retard like you, but the latest figures (Dec 2012) show projected energy production to outstrip demand every year until 2040.
pdf link: http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/er/pdf/0383er(2013).pdf
 
Does that take into consideration the destruction of the coal industry that Obama continues to pursue? As you know coal fired power plants produce over 40% of American electricity.

Click the link and read for yourself.
 
I doubt Ami has relatives that have worked in coal mines. Because if he did, he would understand why they're NOT safe on several fronts.
 
I doubt Ami has relatives that have worked in coal mines. Because if he did, he would understand why they're NOT safe on several fronts.

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No, not to my knowledge, and yes, working underground is inherently dangerous. Made more so because coal miner unions refused to modernize and use machinery in order to keep more human labor intensive jobs. So...unions equal dead miners.

For those who tout alternative energy sources as the salvation for you stupid policies, notice that burning garbage produces more electricity than wind or solar combined...



Solar .1 percent
Wind .3
Geothermal .4
Waste .4
Biomass .8
Wood 2.1
Petroleum 40.
Coal 23.
Natural Gas 22.
Nuclear 8.
Hydro electric 2.9


Note that burning garbage produces more electricity than solar and wind combined…

That burning wood and hydro electric dams account for five percent of the renewables…Canada has many more rivers and over half of all electricity generated in Canada is hydro electric...in the meantime, pristine puke environmentalists are destroying electricity producing dams in the US and not allowing the construction of any more.

Commercial use of power 8.37
Residential 11.02
Industrial 23.49



Source: LLNL 2008; data is based on DOE/EIA-0384(2006), June 2007. If this information or a reproduction of it is used, credit must be given to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the Department of Energy, under whose auspices the work was performed. Distributed electricity represents only retail electricity sales and does not include small amounts of electricity imports or self-generation. Energy flows for non-thermal sources (i.e., hydro, wind, and solar) represent electricity generated from those sources. Electricity generation, transmission, and distribution losses include fuel and thermal energy inputs for electric generation and an estimated 9% transmission and distribution loss, as well as electricity consumed at power plants…


Part of the disparity in understanding US electric power generation, is that imported electricity from hydropower in Canada accounts for some ten percent of US consumption in several New England States.

New coal fired plants are not being built in the northern tier of states, rather an increased amount of imported electricity from Canada buffers the future projections of supply and demand, which I had limited to US sources only.

A curious Catch22 as the US will not build more dams for hydroelectric power; will build neither coal or nuclear plants, again for political reasons, yet we import Canadian electricity over half of which is generated by hydro…

It was an assault to common sense to know that no new power plants are being built in the US and have not for almost forty years, the demand keeps rising, yet the supply meets the demand. Not logical, one notes, but understandable if the margin is being met by imports from Canada.

Thus energy policy in the US is driven, as it has been since the seventies, by environmental concerns, phony ones I add, and has left the US dependent on others for both oil and electricity…

amicus
 
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No, not to my knowledge, and yes, working underground is inherently dangerous. Made more so because coal miner unions refused to modernize and use machinery in order to keep more human labor intensive jobs. So...unions equal dead miners.

For those who tout alternative energy sources as the salvation for you stupid policies, notice that burning garbage produces more electricity than wind or solar combined...



Solar .1 percent
Wind .3
Geothermal .4
Waste .4
Biomass .8
Wood 2.1
Petroleum 40.
Coal 23.
Natural Gas 22.
Nuclear 8.
Hydro electric 2.9


Note that burning garbage produces more electricity than solar and wind combined…

That burning wood and hydro electric dams account for five percent of the renewables…Canada has many more rivers and over half of all electricity generated in Canada is hydro electric...in the meantime, pristine puke environmentalists are destroying electricity producing dams in the US and not allowing the construction of any more.

Commercial use of power 8.37
Residential 11.02
Industrial 23.49



Source: LLNL 2008; data is based on DOE/EIA-0384(2006), June 2007. If this information or a reproduction of it is used, credit must be given to the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and the Department of Energy, under whose auspices the work was performed. Distributed electricity represents only retail electricity sales and does not include small amounts of electricity imports or self-generation. Energy flows for non-thermal sources (i.e., hydro, wind, and solar) represent electricity generated from those sources. Electricity generation, transmission, and distribution losses include fuel and thermal energy inputs for electric generation and an estimated 9% transmission and distribution loss, as well as electricity consumed at power plants…


Part of the disparity in understanding US electric power generation, is that imported electricity from hydropower in Canada accounts for some ten percent of US consumption in several New England States.

New coal fired plants are not being built in the northern tier of states, rather an increased amount of imported electricity from Canada buffers the future projections of supply and demand, which I had limited to US sources only.

A curious Catch22 as the US will not build more dams for hydroelectric power; will build neither coal or nuclear plants, again for political reasons, yet we import Canadian electricity over half of which is generated by hydro…

It was an assault to common sense to know that no new power plants are being built in the US and have not for almost forty years, the demand keeps rising, yet the supply meets the demand. Not logical, one notes, but understandable if the margin is being met by imports from Canada.

Thus energy policy in the US is driven, as it has been since the seventies, by environmental concerns, phony ones I add, and has left the US dependent on others for both oil and electricity…

amicus

Ah, no. Try owners not willing to upgrade safety and machines, because it's expensive.
 
Ah, no. Try owners not willing to upgrade safety and machines, because it's expensive.

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Have it your way, who cares. Always blame those who have invested billions into land and equipment, managers who are trained and experienced, put them against the illiterate miner who brings nothing to the table, has no vested interests, but my god, the socialist workers dream...the workers all play piano and listen only to classical music...

Christ...

amicus
 
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Have it your way, who cares. Always blame those who have invested billions into land and equipment, managers who are trained and experienced, put them against the illiterate miner who brings nothing to the table, has no vested interests, but my god, the socialist workers dream...the all play piano and listen only to classical music...

Christ...

amicus

Capitalism is might, and might is always right.

You haven't a clue as to what happens in the mines. Keep quiet on the subject.
 
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