Drugs in SSC

[NemoAlia]

Okay, those of you who know me (and we do go way back!) will know that I'm a fairly level-headed, SSC sort of girl. And those of you who really know me will know that I'm a nonsmoker, nonsmoker, very rare drinker, fairly straight-edge sort of pervert.

Why, then, have my most compelling fantasies lately been about drugs?

Either the "slip a mickey" kind of scene (a one-off date rape deal) or a full-on forced addiction to something far more sinister. There's not a lot of hot fiction written about this, and the only non-fiction I've found is -- of course -- non-erotic.

Still, in my mind, when I'm all alone with the candles lit and the bubble bath steaming, I'm starting to think, "Yes, please. Shave my head and make me beg for the needle."

I wonder how this would translate into a safe, sane, and consensual relationship. Probably the date rape drug would be the most reasonable -- no permanent chemical dependency. But what about real addiction? Is it too scary? A line we shouldn't cross?

 

[FurryFury]

A line we shouldn't cross in real life? I'd have to say yes, unless the PYL likes fucking unconscious girls. I can't imagine that would be very fun. That's the most benign usage I can think of.

In fantasy however, there are no limits. If that does it for you in your bubble bath, awesome. I say embrace it and don't feel guilty about your fantasies.

 

[DarkhairedLady]

while all is fair in fantasies like furryfury suggested, i myself am quite aware of the reality that chemical addiction can do not only to oneself but to those around you (people who would actually give a crap about you) it's an extremely unpleasent scenario. i don't think chemical use casual or full blown addiction has any relation to being safe, sane, consensual. but of course there are those that would argue otherwise...

but again...in the realm of fantasy..anything can be indulged..safely.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

Be careful...

Hate to be a downer -- particularly since I don't drop by and post often -- but I think this fantasy should be saved for fantasy -- or something you only share with someone you trust absolutely and completely -- and have done so for a long time. You're giving a ton of power to someone without retaining the capacity to know you want your safe word. If you go there, make sure it is with someone who won't go beyond your boundaries / limits.

On the other hand some would find them hot thoughts on both sides of the exchange.... Be careful, but good luck.

I'd just say to make sure the consensual was well known and agreed to. I'm not one who thinks drugs, including alcohol should be part of this.

LC

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Gotta admit that the chemical break down of a resistant female is a hot fantasy...

Ranks right up there with the kidnap and forced slavery thing.

Think "Kiss the Girls" with Morgan Freeman and I'm in the role of the kidnapper/rapist...

 

[Lamont Cranston]

Gotta admit that the chemical break down of a resistant female is a hot fantasy...

Ranks right up there with the kidnap and forced slavery thing.

Think "Kiss the Girls" with Morgan Freeman and I'm in the role of the kidnapper/rapist...

Well, okay, and the book is even hotter than the movie... Okay so screw the SSC. I'm in.

Can we find an underground hideaway for the collection. Oh and EG -- East Coast and LC West Coast... If you've seen the movie or read the book -- hmmm.....

LC

 

[NemoAlia]

Gotta admit that the chemical break down of a resistant female is a hot fantasy...

So, okay, to add some fuel to my fire... How would you dance near this line in real life? I think I'd be okay with some negotiated consumption of whatnot, assuming that I was generally in good health and my partner had earned my trust. And I have to admit, I'd probably even be willing to have it administered "when I least expect it."

Anyone ever try this?

 

[Quint]

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[BiBunny]

I can definitely see the hotness in this one, on both sides. Unfortunately, I'm not creative enough to help you with the practical applications. Sorry.

 

[NemoAlia]

I totally get you on the sordid appeal...but you knew I would.

Yet another reason why we're kindred spirits, Anne-with-an-E!

Not to out anybody, but some kind soul pmed me with a suggestion that I might like mind control stories. It's true, I often do -- and the link s/he supplied was great. But most of that porn is all about the magical make-her-my-sex-slave drug, and what I'm really looking for is the good, old-fashioned, you'll-work-it-off-if-you-want-your-fix type of porn.

Where to find it?

 

[Incompleteidea]

In MHO

I haven’t had much experience with drugs myself but I know a lot more than I should.

The first question to ask your self is why. Is it really the thought of the drugs and dependency or the total lose of control. Is it the high you want to experience or is it being the disgusting picture of a dirty whore in a bathtub with her head shaved and her needle in her arm while she’s servicing her 10th john of the night?

If its not the High than getting smashed off your keaster in a dirty bar can lead to some of the same imagery and loss of control (especially if someone’s there to guild your hand).

If it is the high and dependency you’re after (I don’t suggest it but…) what type of high are you looking for? Personally I’ve always wanted to try Ex- to feel that legendary heighten since thing could be mind boggling. Tripping could also be fun. Speed could make you go all night and K could make you a zombie through most of it.

As for the harder things like coke, meth, Her. I don’t know much about their highs just how scary it is to see the after math.

I guess what I’m saying here is think of the reasons this fantasy is so hot so if for some reason you do decide to make it in to a reality its at least what your after.

And stay SAFE. Ask your partner not to indulge so if you’re in trouble someone’s around capable of calling for help. Don’t be so scared of getting caught you put your health at risk. Enjoy it while you have it but be willing to have a one time thing. Addictions are serious things.

I don’t suggest any of this but if you want to be SSC about it you need to me SMART about it.

As for porn... I found some of Jim Carroll's writting pretty erotic but its mostly gritty and honest.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

Hate to be a downer -- particularly since I don't drop by and post often -- but I think this fantasy should be saved for fantasy -- or something you only share with someone you trust absolutely and completely -- and have done so for a long time. You're giving a ton of power to someone without retaining the capacity to know you want your safe word. If you go there, make sure it is with someone who won't go beyond your boundaries / limits.

On the other hand some would find them hot thoughts on both sides of the exchange.... Be careful, but good luck.

I'd just say to make sure the consensual was well known and agreed to. I'm not one who thinks drugs, including alcohol should be part of this.

LC

Minor hijack... AWESOME PIC IN YOUR AV....

end hijack.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

playing whilst on drugs/drunk is very high on my hell no list... At least from a Dom's perspective. In order to be in control of my girl and the scene I need to be in complete control of myself. That is something I don't have when I am drunk/ high/ whatever...

And I don't want my girl being dulled by a chemical substance, as that could throw things off and really cause things to go haywire...

ALTHOUGH... getting her hopped up on painkillers first where she isn't geting the pain... now that is sadistic in its own way...

 

[madetotakeit]

I can see the appeal of playing under the influence. I have never been one to take substances. I always figured inhaling the fumes from paint thinner and fixative along with just being myself I was impaired enough. (Plus I can't help remember the old Cosby joke. "I take drugs because it intensifies who I am." "Yeah, but what if you're an asshole...") LSD...permanently attached itself to the spinal fluid. No thanks. After art college I saw too many friends on bad trips. Special K...perforations in the heart. There's a no brainer for me. Anything harder is out of the question. I have smoked pot on a handful of occasions in the past. My ex liked me on it. He said I let him take advantage of me. Okay, if he wants to call it that, fine.

However...a few years ago I went to a club. I met a very attractive, attentive Ranger. I broke the cardinal rule and let him get me a drink. My best guess is E, but I am not sure what was in it. We did not leave the dance floor until the lights were up. We even kept moving after the music stopped. To this day I remember how I felt that night. Every song was seductive to me-not easy considering this was a techno club. Every touch had me quivering. The feeling of the wind from the fans across my skin combined with the feeling of his body was intoxicating. He could very easily have had me right there on the dance floor and I would not have given it a second thought. This was wanting to connect physically with someone to the extreme. If it weren't for my friend I would have ended up leaving with him.I felt like me, but more. (I guess it's a good thing I'm not an asshole.)

I thank her for realizing something was not right with me. At the same time I still wonder what the sex would have been like. I have never had the nerve to try it although part of me would like to with someone I trust. I've always been the good girl and abstained. (Although I was reminded that I never wanted to be the good girl; and okay, you're got me there. )

I can see the appeal of adding that layer to a scene. I can think of some off the top of my head where I think it would be incredible maybe even beneficial. There's something to chew on while I go to sleep...

 

[Netzach]

Totally hot fantasy. Won't touch that if you paid me all the money in the world.

Too much exposure to lovely women putting their tribute up their pretty little noses. Too much enjoyment of my own hospital morphine. Totally fucking hot as wank material.

LSD and hallucinatory drugs and oh touch me again E are not hot for me. They're a hippy dippy anti-hot for me. Ew. I like bleak addictive feel-bad-don't-care drugs, for my own hotmaking.

I suppose the closest I'll ever get to this is drinking too much chartreuse or plying someone with same. And I'm personally FINE with shaving her head, poking her full of hypodermics with nothing in them and making ME the fix.

 

[midwestyankee]

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And I'm personally FINE with shaving her head, poking her full of hypodermics with nothing in them and making ME the fix.

Now this, the idea of making ME the fix, is completely surface-of-the-effing-sun hot!

 

[Homburg]

I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't do drugs. Well, not particularly anyway. The occassional rare drink or a cigar are fine, but I eschew the rest. Too much of a self-control freak to do that stuff.

I don't mind if my bottom has had a drink or three, but won't play with someone that is plastered. Too difficult to read them properly.

I can see this sort of fantasy. My gift to "v" on our wedding anniversary was a fairly elaborate scene where we set up new e-mail addresses and began correspondence as two people set up on a blind date. We met for dinner at a nice restaurant (and had accurately difficult conversation as we could not talk about any of the usual topics), then went to see a movie. The evening concluded with me inviting her over to my place and giving her a faux mickey finn. It was a fantasy of hers, and I enjoyed fulfilling it.

And that is precisely as close as I want to get to the intersection of drug use and BDSM. While the nasty drug are hot in sordid way, the effects are far too damaging for me to contemplate their use on someone that I care enough about to be around.

 

[NemoAlia]

I haven’t had much experience with drugs myself but I know a lot more than I should.

The first question to ask your self is why. Is it really the thought of the drugs and dependency or the total lose of control. Is it the high you want to experience or is it being the disgusting picture of a dirty whore in a bathtub with her head shaved and her needle in her arm while she’s servicing her 10th john of the night?

If its not the High than getting smashed off your keaster in a dirty bar can lead to some of the same imagery and loss of control (especially if someone’s there to guild your hand).

If it is the high and dependency you’re after (I don’t suggest it but…) what type of high are you looking for? Personally I’ve always wanted to try Ex- to feel that legendary heighten since thing could be mind boggling. Tripping could also be fun. Speed could make you go all night and K could make you a zombie through most of it.

As for the harder things like coke, meth, Her. I don’t know much about their highs just how scary it is to see the after math.

I guess what I’m saying here is think of the reasons this fantasy is so hot so if for some reason you do decide to make it in to a reality its at least what your after.

And stay SAFE. Ask your partner not to indulge so if you’re in trouble someone’s around capable of calling for help. Don’t be so scared of getting caught you put your health at risk. Enjoy it while you have it but be willing to have a one time thing. Addictions are serious things.

I don’t suggest any of this but if you want to be SSC about it you need to me SMART about it.

As for porn... I found some of Jim Carroll's writting pretty erotic but its mostly gritty and honest.

Wow, incompleteidea, thank you for your thoughtful answer! I really appreciate how you're taking a closer look at the possible motivations behind this fantasy.

Probably, for me, the motivation is the disgusting picture of addiction. (Although the idea of being outside my own control is always a compelling one.) And with that in mind, Netzach seems to have hit the nail on the head: I obviously need to find a Dom with a flair for the placebo, if I want to capture that effect.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I can understand the lure of an actual, physical dependency that your Dom will hold over you till he gets what he wants. That fantasy is really hot.

I have also worked in a casualty department, watching beautiful, intelligent human beings disintegrate for the lack of a fix, or slip further away because they've taken too much. Not sexy in the slightest. Septicaemia? HIV? Coma? Rehab? The loss of your career, livelihood, driver's licence, home, etc because you are an addict? Robbing old ladies? Not sexy.

I agree with others that in order for any kind of SSC play to happen, both parties have to be 90% together. Master and I have got nasty after a few glasses of wine but nothing that would seriously cloud our judgement.

The placebo idea is cool but I'm not really sure how it would work. Does the sub pretend to be drugged? I'm not a great actress and don't really do RP.

And Netzach, your comment about "making me the fix" Priceless. Made me shiver. That kind of play really would get me hot.

 

[Netzach]

Wow, incompleteidea, thank you for your thoughtful answer! I really appreciate how you're taking a closer look at the possible motivations behind this fantasy.

Probably, for me, the motivation is the disgusting picture of addiction. (Although the idea of being outside my own control is always a compelling one.) And with that in mind, Netzach seems to have hit the nail on the head: I obviously need to find a Dom with a flair for the placebo, if I want to capture that effect.

Oooo debasement.
For those of us for whom a little "rape between friends" play just doesn't go *far* enough eh?


Like that form of play, I don't think you need to actually be made to stroll dark alleys naked and hoping bad things will happen, nor do you need to start a new and exciting habit in order to experience the thrill ride version.

 

[littleone77]

I'm just throwing this in the mix so feel free to ignore it if you wish but...

Would a placebo work just as well? Take something, legal and harmless, but not know it there by letting yourself fall into the fantasy?

In highschool a few friends of mine got a girl "drunk" by telling her seriously that there was wine in red wine vingerette. She was "drunk" for most of the school day and even asked her mom if she could have some with dinner

Perhaps something similiar would work for you?

 

[unfoundiamond]

There's just no way to know.

I don't think you need to actually be made to stroll dark alleys naked and hoping bad things will happen, nor do you need to start a new and exciting habit in order to experience the thrill ride version.

Hilarious. And I totally agree.

Addiction isnt gone when the drugs wear off or run out... even if you stopped using youd be an addict untill you die.

Peoples fantasies are their own perogative, (I just can't help but warn) sometimes things have lasting effects and reprocussions that the fantasy doesn't serve as a warning for.

And devils advocate: Some people can use drungs and stop, they don't get "addicted" where they spiral into hell... but there's no way to know what kind of user you are untill you try.

And then its too late.

I wish I never started smoking cigarettes for a example of a softcore drug, and I'd tell that to anyone who was like " I have this fantasy where my PYL makes me smoke cigarettes"... I see this as the same thing... Smoking (like drug use) is often romaticized in movies... but anyone who smokes knows... it will kill you and wasn't worth starting.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Oooo debasement.
For those of us for whom a little "rape between friends" play just doesn't go *far* enough eh?


Like that form of play, I don't think you need to actually be made to stroll dark alleys naked and hoping bad things will happen, nor do you need to start a new and exciting habit in order to experience the thrill ride version.

Of course not. For that kind of play we want them strolling dark alleys naked and we'll MAKE bad things happen. *wicked, VERY evil grin...*

 

[Yang4yin]

Why do you want to do drugs in southern South Carolina?

 

[Etoile]

I find it interesting that there's much less resistance to alcohol in a sexual context than to drugs. Alcohol is equally addictive, it's just as damaging to your sanity, etc. Why is it okay for people to have drunk sex but not high sex?