Dolcett Girls

[catalina_francisco]

Is anyone into Dolcett girls, or identify as one? It seems it is not as rare as it once was, and we have come across one or two online who profess to be very committed to the most extreme ends of it. Not sure I would be willing to go that far, lol pretty sure I wouldn't actually, but the genre which has evolved from Dolcett art and grown to include some other artists is both intriguing and an aphrodesiac when in the right mindset and mood to enjoy it. I imagine it is not favourably viewed by everyone, but there does seem to be a huge following within the BDSM community, though many will not openly admit it. Does it repulse or turn you on, or is it something that does neither? Is there more to consider than it being a subculture within the lifestyle? Would you date someone who was a fan?

Catalina

 

[Blushing Bottom]

The thought of snuff scenarios or cannibilism neither repulses or turns me on. It just is and not something I would care to explore.

I did however meet a man who fabricated a device to use at a public play party in which a woman could be roasted on a spit. He unfortunately had no pics or I'd share them.

 

[raven2]

The thought of snuff scenarios or cannibilism neither repulses or turns me on. It just is and not something I would care to explore.

I did however meet a man who fabricated a device to use at a public play party in which a woman could be roasted on a spit. He unfortunately had no pics or I'd share them.

While I have never been replused by the thought of cannibilism(dead is dead), I really don't like the idea of snuff scenarios. I really don't feel that anything should be taken that far. There are lots different (and delicious) ways that different boundries may be explored and I really want to explore them, but not to the extreme places that this goes.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Is anyone into Dolcett girls, or identify as one? It seems it is not as rare as it once was, and we have come across one or two online who profess to be very committed to the most extreme ends of it. Not sure I would be willing to go that far, lol pretty sure I wouldn't actually, but the genre which has evolved from Dolcett art and grown to include some other artists is both intriguing and an aphrodesiac when in the right mindset and mood to enjoy it. I imagine it is not favourably viewed by everyone, but there does seem to be a huge following within the BDSM community, though many will not openly admit it. Does it repulse or turn you on, or is it something that does neither? Is there more to consider than it being a subculture within the lifestyle? Would you date someone who was a fan?

Catalina

Hmmmn......smiles....I always thought this genre was based around a kind of irreverent humor/satire mixed with a little soft porn. Forgive the term 'cheesecake' but most of the photographs I have seen are very much staged with woman looking very healthy , very much alive and showing no signs of suffering in their portrayl. I think pictures like you might find at muki's kitchen are kind of cute its all parody surely.

Take a step down from there you have the genre that look like Howard Stern and some college geeks got together after a keg party to stage something that at first glance looks more 'real'. Really marketed to that age group I imagine. Dolls head, a link of sausage , a bbq chicken and some well placed ketchup.

Step down again from there,I guess this takes in the erotic horror 'cartoons', definately something I imagine favorable in groups of goth kids trying to 'I am cool and I'll out gross you thang but really I don't care because Life sucks'.

Of course we have the hard core aficionado of commercial art and story board . Who take the history of the development of the 'art' in print form very seriously. (This group sort of falls off to the side of my proposed 'steps' down analogy here).

Now we can't forget the blood sucking leaches of the porn industry that will take about any image of a woman bound with a ball gag and find a way to market it within the context of Dolcett Girls because they are the new 'flavour' of the month in order to scrape their share of the porn dollar. Therefore inadvertently perhaps dragging BDSM imagery into the bag with the rest of it.

Absolute end of this must be insane certified or otherwise. As others posting before me have mentioned cannibalism and snuff scenarios I'll mention them briefly. The likes of Armin Meiwes who case has only so recently been finalised. The Jefferey Dahmer's etc. Nothing BDSM Lifestyle related to these acts irrespect of whether there was an element of sexual gratification involved or not. They are what they are people with an extreme insane distortion on reality. I refuse to be maginalised for not being open minded enough or for having this opinion, its not a hard limit its insanity. I also do not believe for a moment these examples are inclusive within the sub culture of Dolcett girls .

Thanks for raising the topic Catalina its really quite interesting and I look forward to seeing where it goes from here.

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, Muki's Kitchen and others do not claim to have dead people or seriously depict them as such in their work. They are photographic artists, a husband and wife professional team, who want to create art in a fun form which is reminiscent of the genre of Dolcett. I actually think that though they do not recreate the drawing style of Dolcett, instead using their photography as their artform, they present very good work and concentrate on aspects of Dolcett fantasies which interest them. As they say on their website Muki's Kitchen ,

"Our pictures are created in the spirit of light-hearted fun and, though visually explicit, we intend to convey an ongoing feeling of harmless fantasy. In keeping with this philosophy, our staged photographs will never show suffering or torture. We are not a "snuff" site and, though some of our models may "play dead" for us, it is not our intention to emphasize this aspect of the fantasy -- only to show it to the degree necessary to carry it off. We are not interested in violence and our artwork will never depict graphic blood or gore. In short, we aim to keep our pictures tasteful! ;-)"

As to drawing BDSM inadvertently into the porn or art that surrounds this theme, I don't see it that way at all as if you study Dolcett's work, he has a very strong emphasis on SM in the more traditional forms many of us enjoy (including paddling, whipping, asphyxiation/breath play, spanking, painplay/torture in various forms), as well as much of it including slavery and submission. Interestingly it seems to have a theme of consent in that those who submit to being a 'Dolcett girl' do so willingly and/or as a form of submission and living out their own fantasies. The world that has grown out of this has done so out of appreciation of his work which he initially never intended to be for anyone other than himself as a means of catering to his own sexual fantasies. Much of his work uses characters/people based on real people he has contact with.

Two sites which give a bit more background and information on Dolcett and also the Dolcett girl industry can be found here and here where a Dolcett girl mentality is described as follows:

"The Philosophy of Dolcett Girls

The nature of anyone wanting to be a Dolcett Girl is the ideal of total commitment and surrender to the most powerful overwhelming primal urges - the surrender of her flesh, of her mind, of her body to the primal passion of the beast.

In our modern society we have so few opportunities for this that these natural and intense emotions are inhibited by all "normal" social convention; but the desire cannot be repressed and seeks release. The Dolcett Slavegirl is that release.

A Dolcett Girl is the ultimate human sacrifice and devotion, offering her mind, her body, her life and her will to the animal. In primitive times she would be the female dominated by the tribe's alpha male, in the modern fantasy-life she offers herself as the ultimate meal, a slave with no inhibitions, and no resistance to being owned property, used without limit, traded, tortured, killed and eaten - to be devoured by her own passion for surrender.

A Dolcett Girl is everything and nothing, she gives all and makes a commitment few others dare think of, she receives all because her owner takes her life over and take all responsibility for her existence until the day she dies. She has no will, no thought that isn't devoted to her owner's passion and happiness, she is the the final form of slavery, the final form of a devoted employee, the perfect breeder of her owner's seed and she does it all for this lifestyle and for the beast.

The beast in men cannot find this form of expression, so few can attain this release or this level of dominance in society that they cannot own and use a dolcett girl. Most only live out the dream on occasion for their own benefit with no real care for the sacrifice of the girl and the trust she offers up - that she will be protected until death.

And still the desire in girls exists, the craving for the beast to devour them and transform them.

This is why the Dolcett Club X21 has been established, to offer the one secure place where the desire for total abandonment is honoured and fulfilled. Here the Dolcett Girl is nothing but property to be held and used as far as her limits allow. Here the real alphas can be served, if they want a girl for life or just to dispose of girls they no longer need.

The Dolcett Enterprises Club X21 is a real establishment, not an online fantasy, a place, safe, secure, discreet, private, and profitable for those who need to fulfil all their dreams and desires in a totally voluntary manner in the sensual, erotic, sado-masochistic bdsm lifestyle.

If you believe you are such a Dolcett Girl and wish to enter this lifestyle as the culmination of your life then contact us with your full details to apply for a position as our Club X21 bdsm lifestyle Dolcett Girl."


Catalina

 

[cati]

THIS IS NOT A SNUFF SITE, but a professional, private role-playing and "scene" club for those interested in exploring the wilder themes of sexual submission/slavery in the extreme, bondage, domination and sado-masochism (BDSM) in a unique and safe fashion.

So what is your style, how to we produce the perfect Dolcett Experience for you and your pets? Everything is designed to giving you the "authentic" Dolcett experience in a traditional but high quality fashion, from your first arrival at our grand villa and the processing of your pet through to the grand "banquet" everything, within the limits of health and safety, is conducted to give you the ultimate experience.

I took these quotes from the Dolcett website.

So it's just an extreme roleplaying club?

 

[catalina_francisco]

THIS IS NOT A SNUFF SITE, but a professional, private role-playing and "scene" club for those interested in exploring the wilder themes of sexual submission/slavery in the extreme, bondage, domination and sado-masochism (BDSM) in a unique and safe fashion.

I took this quote from the Dolcett website.
So it's just an extreme roleplaying club?

Where you got the quote from it is a club, but Dolcett is an artist, Dolcett girls are girls/women who are into his fantasies and being the image of the women he portrays.

Catalina

 

[cati]

Thanks catalina I undestood that....afterwards. The role play does sound a bit interesting. I don't think I'm going to admire the Dolcett art or read the "comics" tho'.
As far as "basic primal needs" go. I've never heard or read of any alpha male of any species eating or killing his mate or other females of a group, although I could be wrong.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

LOL, Muki's Kitchen and others do not claim to have dead people or seriously depict them as such in their work. They are photographic artists, a husband and wife professional team, who want to create art in a fun form which is reminiscent of the genre of Dolcett. I actually think that though they do not recreate the drawing style of Dolcett, instead using their photography as their artform, they present very good work and concentrate on aspects of Dolcett fantasies which interest them. As they say on their website Muki's Kitchen ,

"Our pictures are created in the spirit of light-hearted fun and, though visually explicit, we intend to convey an ongoing feeling of harmless fantasy. In keeping with this philosophy, our staged photographs will never show suffering or torture. We are not a "snuff" site and, though some of our models may "play dead" for us, it is not our intention to emphasize this aspect of the fantasy -- only to show it to the degree necessary to carry it off. We are not interested in violence and our artwork will never depict graphic blood or gore. In short, we aim to keep our pictures tasteful! ;-)"

As to drawing BDSM inadvertently into the porn or art that surrounds this theme, I don't see it that way at all as if you study Dolcett's work, he has a very strong emphasis on SM in the more traditional forms many of us enjoy (including paddling, whipping, asphyxiation/breath play, spanking, painplay/torture in various forms), as well as much of it including slavery and submission. Interestingly it seems to have a theme of consent in that those who submit to being a 'Dolcett girl' do so willingly and/or as a form of submission and living out their own fantasies. The world that has grown out of this has done so out of appreciation of his work which he initially never intended to be for anyone other than himself as a means of catering to his own sexual fantasies. Much of his work uses characters/people based on real people he has contact with.

Two sites which give a bit more background and information on Dolcett and also the Dolcett girl industry can be found here and here where a Dolcett girl mentality is described as follows:

"The Philosophy of Dolcett Girls

The nature of anyone wanting to be a Dolcett Girl is the ideal of total commitment and surrender to the most powerful overwhelming primal urges - the surrender of her flesh, of her mind, of her body to the primal passion of the beast.

In our modern society we have so few opportunities for this that these natural and intense emotions are inhibited by all "normal" social convention; but the desire cannot be repressed and seeks release. The Dolcett Slavegirl is that release.

A Dolcett Girl is the ultimate human sacrifice and devotion, offering her mind, her body, her life and her will to the animal. In primitive times she would be the female dominated by the tribe's alpha male, in the modern fantasy-life she offers herself as the ultimate meal, a slave with no inhibitions, and no resistance to being owned property, used without limit, traded, tortured, killed and eaten - to be devoured by her own passion for surrender.

A Dolcett Girl is everything and nothing, she gives all and makes a commitment few others dare think of, she receives all because her owner takes her life over and take all responsibility for her existence until the day she dies. She has no will, no thought that isn't devoted to her owner's passion and happiness, she is the the final form of slavery, the final form of a devoted employee, the perfect breeder of her owner's seed and she does it all for this lifestyle and for the beast.

The beast in men cannot find this form of expression, so few can attain this release or this level of dominance in society that they cannot own and use a dolcett girl. Most only live out the dream on occasion for their own benefit with no real care for the sacrifice of the girl and the trust she offers up - that she will be protected until death.

And still the desire in girls exists, the craving for the beast to devour them and transform them.

This is why the Dolcett Club X21 has been established, to offer the one secure place where the desire for total abandonment is honoured and fulfilled. Here the Dolcett Girl is nothing but property to be held and used as far as her limits allow. Here the real alphas can be served, if they want a girl for life or just to dispose of girls they no longer need.

The Dolcett Enterprises Club X21 is a real establishment, not an online fantasy, a place, safe, secure, discreet, private, and profitable for those who need to fulfil all their dreams and desires in a totally voluntary manner in the sensual, erotic, sado-masochistic bdsm lifestyle.

If you believe you are such a Dolcett Girl and wish to enter this lifestyle as the culmination of your life then contact us with your full details to apply for a position as our Club X21 bdsm lifestyle Dolcett Girl."


Catalina

Catalina, I should have paid more attention to the more specific nature of your questions. Thank you for posting the site it gave me a far better grasp ( I think !!) of where you were heading with this.

Where I was addressing the genre as is presented today I think its accurate to say now you were being very specific. As you are aware particularily with 'perception' its often wise to see the bigger picture however in this case I grant you the specific is actually of far more interest.

From what I have been able to ascertain so far if we are to stay with specifics to be a Dolcett Girl is to be one of the models who enjoyed being used as a focus/inspiration to stage scenes of bondage, asphyxiation, cannibalism, impalement and death for Bill Dolcett. Seems there is some folk law like credibility to actually having been an actual Dolcett Girl as from what I can see he was extremely cautious about his own identification. Quite sensible considering the examples of his specific work I have veiwed in the last hour. Though 5 mins was time enough to get a fairly quick 'education' his work is far from subtle...lol.
I don't why, perhaps because the drawings are cartoonish I still find even with the topics at hand it all still a bit mediocre. Japanese hentai of average note for me shows more 'craft' from an artistic expression.

His drawing style dates him considerably as well. He must be well into his 80's surely and if still drawing (hopefully he still has the desire and capabilities to) I would imagine there is only the smallest of chances anyone would have an opportunity to be a 'Dolcett Girl'. Seems obvious from the fact he often used the same model for story board after story board that none were 'actually' being eaten or killed. Also considering the extremes he went to in his portrayls I will humbly suggest that the SM emphasis was a means to an end. One really has to start somewhere to get to the 'finale'.

Now looking at The Dolcett Enterprises Club X21 From what I have read it doesn't actually exist to date. The Company in Scotland professes to have 'Investors'. I just had a look at the architectural sketch of the proposed Villa/Play resort click here which appears fairly underwhelming considering the apparent amount of interest to date . The Website itself has a very jaded appearance as well , the most up to date reference on the site is January 2005.

A few quotes from the site

" What are we planning such a big venture, surely we could set up a small low budget site and see how it goes, right? Well not exactly. To achieve the Dolcett experience safely but as far as legal and technical limits allow we need the resources to develop and deploy the right equipment. Our main market is now the web but the active BDSM enthusiast and sex tourist looking for a new thrill, or high class people who will never set foot in a seedy New York dungeon, but if you invite them to spend a few thousand dollars on a weekend where they can "let go and go wild" in the company of others, and protect their confidence at all times then you have the chance of a substantial business."

Dolcett Enterprises Club X21 Web Site

The site raises lots of questions to me (you have to love the nude chewing the finger as she considers investment ). I personally don't see it as in any way credible , people looking at the site can make their own judgement calls.

Takes me back to a question I ask myself from time to time about BDSM and Ds in this day and age , are we at risk of becoming a sad parody of commericalism and pornographic stereotyping in ourselves in some ways by embracing everything that comes to hand.

Am I a Dolcett Girl , do I identify as one ? ........well at 3am last night after the 2nd consectutive day in a row of being up all night caring for a sick child so exhausted he had a major league attitude problem I may have been heard to proclaim 'kill me now' but I can assure you there was no chance of me putting on some lipstick before I said it.

 

[FurryFury]

I've never heard of this before. It's very interesting. It did cause certain things to quicken within me.

It looks like I'm far too old to qualify for being a Dolcett Girl. Ah well, from what I can tell this is just an online dream so far.

I will say some of the stories are interesting at that site.

Thanks for showing me something new to me!

Fury

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

I've never heard of this before. It's very interesting. It did cause certain things to quicken within me.

It looks like I'm far too old to qualify for being a Dolcett Girl. Ah well, from what I can tell this is just an online dream so far.

I will say some of the stories are interesting at that site.

Thanks for showing me something new to me!

Fury

Fascinating stuff huh........

 

[FurryFury]

Fascinating stuff huh........

Yes and now that I've looked at some of the pics, I can't read the words in those btw, old eyes I guess, I'm so going to have to find some "private" time tonight.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yes and now that I've looked at some of the pics, I can't read the words in those btw, old eyes I guess, I'm so going to have to find some "private" time tonight.

Fury

LOL, some of the writing is a bit gapey and small so I figure it is a matter of zooming on it after saving it....haven't had time to check it out that way as yet as I have been looking at even more interesting and out there stuff. Sheeesh, I keep thinking I should get some sleep and then notice another hour has passed since that thought...I could be here for weeks!!

Catalina

 

[sincerely_helene]

Bump.

 

[FurryFury]

Last night I dreamed (among other things) that my naked torso and head were grafted onto the back of a dog to amuse and possibly help a grieving Dom, Dolcett Girl themed much?

Fury

 

[Guest]

Doesn't really wrinkle my raisin....
I think I've still got a couple of the "comic" format books of his stuff lying around...Picked em up in a wad of other magazines...

Hmmm or maybe that was the scanned stuff...Been so long I can't remember..

Personally I try to keep in mind the "If you break you toys you can't play with them anymore" philosophy..

Want em?

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Doesn't really wrinkle my raisin....
I think I've still got a couple of the "comic" format books of his stuff lying around...Picked em up in a wad of other magazines...

Hmmm or maybe that was the scanned stuff...Been so long I can't remember..

Personally I try to keep in mind the "If you break you toys you can't play with them anymore" philosophy..

Want em?

Ekvitkar hmmn that looks wrong ..........try again.........EVITKAR you could probably sell them if they are authentic , they may be worth a bit if the condition is good to a select market. Applauds self for stating the freaking obvious......smiles

 

[AvaAdore]

Okay, I think this is the first time I felt like I just smacked into a brick wall on a kink. I didn't know what a Dolcett girl was. So I googled... I came across the Club X21 site. I thought, just to be open-minded, I'll read one of the stories to see what it's all about. Seriously this scared the bejesus out of me. My mind has been broken

 

[John Doe]

I don't really go for Dolcett's work. I'm more of a Coq/Milo Manara/Hajime Sorayama sorta guy.

And Boris Vallejo to a lesser extent. I also like Vargas' pinups, but they aren't as explicit.

 

[FurryFury]

Doesn't really wrinkle my raisin....<snip>

What my naked head and torso grafted onto a dog you can fuck? *shrugs* Just asking. *winks*

Fury

 

[Guest]

Ekvitkar hmmn that looks wrong ..........try again.........EVITKAR you could probably sell them if they are authentic , they may be worth a bit if the condition is good to a select market. Applauds self for stating the freaking obvious......smiles

Periodicly I help out a friend of mine who owns a comic/gaming/sharp objects/etc shop... Not my taste though it may be....Dolcett stuff is still in production and reprint.
*sigh*
For the life of me I can't remember if I have the books or the scans.. Getting old I guess... Of course moving a couple of times hasn't helped..
Time to rummage through the old boxes..

 

[Etoile]

I never heard of this before, either. Can't say I'm surprised. Not disgusted either. Just kind of a "oh, I learned something new today" feeling.

What did surprise me, though, was seeing my friend Zille on Muki's Kitchen!

 

[rosco rathbone]

I don't really go for Dolcett's work. I'm more of a Coq/Milo Manara/Hajime Sorayama sorta guy.

And Boris Vallejo to a lesser extent. I also like Vargas' pinups, but they aren't as explicit.

In my art handling days I worked for a gallery that dealt Vallejo and I got to party backstage with him and his wife/model Julie. Total BDSM pervs. She's a submissive bodybuilder and he's like her old gnarly daddy/coach/master figure.

 

[Guest]

There is also a Manara Tarot deck that is certainly worth owning..
I have taken to collecting the more esoteric decks .. Framing them for the artwork.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

There is also a Manara Tarot deck that is certainly worth owning..
I have taken to collecting the more esoteric decks .. Framing them for the artwork.

I had no idea what the Manara Tarot Deck would look like so I let Google show me. Really cool and framed must be superb. There was a link off that page to The Tarots of Casanova by Luca Raimondo . Ohh like these a little better even. I suppose it appeals to my fascination with costumes , court life etc.From Italy to France in two and a half brains cells . Hmmn haven't watched Dangerous Liasons in agesssss.......deal done thats tonights viewing.....ta EKVITKAR.

How do these compare please ?