Doctor speaks out against mandatory trans-vaginal ultrasound

Ulaven_Demorte

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A Doctor's plea to fellow physicians.

Where is the Physician Outrage?


Right. Here.

I’m speaking, of course, about the required-transvaginal-ultrasound thing that seems to be the flavor-of-the-month in politics.

I do not care what your personal politics are. I think we can all agree that my right to swing my fist ends where your face begins.

I do not feel that it is reactionary or even inaccurate to describe an unwanted, non-indicated transvaginal ultrasound as “rape”. If I insert ANY object into ANY orifice without informed consent, it is rape. And coercion of any kind negates consent, informed or otherwise.

In all of the discussion and all of the outrage and all of the Doonesbury comics, I find it interesting that we physicians are relatively silent.

After all, it’s our hands that will supposedly be used to insert medical equipment (tools of HEALING, for the sake of all that is good and holy) into the vaginas of coerced women.

Fellow physicians, once again we are being used as tools to screw people over. This time, it’s the politicians who want to use us to implement their morally reprehensible legislation. They want to use our ultrasound machines to invade women’s bodies, and they want our hands to be at the controls. Coerced and invaded women, you have a problem with that? Blame us evil doctors. We are such deliciously silent scapegoats.

It is our responsibility, as always, to protect our patients from things that would harm them. Therefore, as physicians, it is our duty to refuse to perform a medical procedure that is not medically indicated. Any medical procedure. Whatever the pseudo-justification.

It’s time for a little old-fashioned civil disobedience.

Here are a few steps we can take as physicians to protect our patients from legislation such as this.

1) Just don’t comply. No matter how much our autonomy as physicians has been eroded, we still have control of what our hands do and do not do with a transvaginal ultrasound wand. If this legislation is completely ignored by the people who are supposed to implement it, it will soon be worth less than the paper it is written on.

2) Reinforce patient autonomy. It does not matter what a politician says. A woman is in charge of determining what does and what does not go into her body. If she WANTS a transvaginal ultrasound, fine. If it’s medically indicated, fine… have that discussion with her. We have informed consent for a reason. If she has to be forced to get a transvaginal ultrasound through coercion or overly impassioned argument or implied threats of withdrawal of care, that is NOT FINE.

Our position is to recommend medically-indicated tests and treatments that have a favorable benefit-to-harm ratio… and it is up to the patient to decide what she will and will not allow. Period. Politicians do not have any role in this process. NO ONE has a role in this process but the patient and her physician. If anyone tries to get in the way of that, it is our duty to run interference.

3) If you are forced to document a non-indicated transvaginal ultrasound because of this legislation, document that the patient refused the procedure or that it was not medically indicated. (Because both of those are true.) Hell, document that you attempted but the patient kicked you in the nose, if you have to.

4) If you are forced to enter an image of the ultrasound itself into the patient chart, ultrasound the bedsheets and enter that picture with a comment of “poor acoustic window”. If you’re really gutsy, enter a comment of “poor acoustic window…plus, I’m not a rapist.” (I was going to propose repeatedly entering a single identical image in affected patient’s charts nationwide, as a recognizable visual protest…but I don’t have an ultrasound image that I own to the point that I could offer it for that purpose.)

5) Do anything else you can think of to protect your patients and the integrity of the medical profession. IN THAT ORDER. We already know how vulnerable patients can be; we invisibly protect them on a daily basis from all kinds of dangers inside and outside of the hospital. Their safety is our responsibility, and we practically kill ourselves to ensure it at all costs. But it’s also our responsibility to guard the practice of medicine from people who would hijack our tools of healing for their own political or monetary gain.

In recent years, we have been abject failures in this responsibility, and untold numbers of people have gleefully taken advantage of that. Silently allowing a politician to manipulate our medical decision-making for the purposes of an ideological goal erodes any tiny scrap of trust we might have left.

It comes down to this: When the community has failed a patient by voting an ideologue into office…When the ideologue has failed the patient by writing legislation in his own interest instead of in the patient’s…When the legislative system has failed the patient by allowing the legislation to be considered… When the government has failed the patient by allowing something like this to be signed into law… We as physicians cannot and must not fail our patients by ducking our heads and meekly doing as we’re told.

Because we are their last line of defense.
 
Speaking of bozos...

Hey U_D:

Did you read where your boy Obama is contracting with ex-Blackwater and current SCG private ops to do his dirty work for him in Libya and Syria?

http://rt.com/news/stratfor-syria-regime-change-063/

And how's your buddy Prince doing these days? Has your girl Hillary come down on him like you just knew she would?
 
Speaking of bozos...

Hey U_D:

Did you read where your boy Obama is contracting with ex-Blackwater and current SCG private ops to do his dirty work for him in Libya and Syria?

http://rt.com/news/stratfor-syria-regime-change-063/

And how's your buddy Prince doing these days? Has your girl Hillary come down on him like you just knew she would?

I know it's difficult, but do try to stick to the topic instead of trying to deflect. Or hey, make your own fucking thread, douche.

That said, I disagree with the doctor's calling this rape. But there can be no doubt that it's a perfect example of "conservatives" situational aversion to government meddling in health care.. At least if it involves a woman's reproductive tract.
 
That said, I disagree with the doctor's calling this rape.
why?

the woman is being coerced. she will be denied what is very occasionally even a life saving procedure unless she allows penetration. for most women i would imagine they only seek abortion if they consider it vital considering their financial, emotional or mental welfare.

men have been convicted for rape when they used coercion and blackmail instead of violence.
does the perp wearing a white coat make everything ok?
 
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I know it's difficult, but do try to stick to the topic instead of trying to deflect. Or hey, make your own fucking thread, douche.

"deflect"?

Dude: you ain't even man enough to be the woman of your own household.

Plus, according to the fairer sex of your own political bent...

...your d!ck ain't got a say in this issue.

Thus, your entire point in publishing this thread is wholly political...

...and not in any way practical. Poser.

You really need to grow a pair before you can even start pretending to wear the pants, son.
 
why?

the woman is being coerced. she will be denied what is very occasionally even a life saving procedure unless she allows penetration. for most women i would imagine they only seek abortion if they consider it vital considering their financial, emotional or mental welfare.

men have been convicted for rape when they used coercion and blackmail instead of violence.
does the perp wearing a white coat make everything ok?
The perp is not wearing a white coat. The perp is wearing a suit and tie.

A doctor can make the call that this or that examination is medically nessecary. A politician? Eh, no.
 
The perp is not wearing a white coat. The perp is wearing a suit and tie.

A doctor can make the call that this or that examination is medically nessecary. A politician? Eh, no.
following an illegal order is committing a crime.
the perp is wearing a white coat.
the guy in the suit is a perp too though.
+ incitement, blackmail, conspiracy or some such.
 
There are many reasons to have a transvaginal ultrasound.

If a transvaginal ultrasound will provide critical information in order to treat the patient, then seriously, where is the question? Of course. You do it. Anyone who would then turn around and sue the professional who helped them is douche to the n-th degree.

Politicians who have no scientific or medical clue should not have the authority to make these kinds of decisions.
 
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UD, that's a boss site, thanks for the link. The post above the doctor one is even better, IMO.

...your d!ck ain't got a say in this issue.
What kind of a pussy is too pussy to write the word dick properly? Pull up your own panties and go back to the playpen where kids are safe from the nasty dirty adult words, douche.
 
following an illegal order is committing a crime.
the perp is wearing a white coat.
the guy in the suit is a perp too though.
+ incitement, blackmail, conspiracy or some such.
Good point. Hence the doctor in the OP. Hopefully he's not alone.

Although "illegal order" is a bit of a grey zone. This would be crap signed into law, as it were. Then it's up to courts to determine what's what if laws contradict each other.

Interresting to see if doctors can use a conscience clause to refuse doing this, since many of the same states that wants to probe women also have that in place.
 
There are many reasons to have a transvaginal ultrasound.

If a transvaginal ultrasound will provide critical information in order to treat the patient, then seriously, where is the question? Of course. You do it. Anyone who would then turn around and sue the professional who helped them is douche to the n-th degree.

Politicians who have no scientific or medical clue should not have the authority to make these kinds of decisions.
Also, laws are static, research is moving. So laws should never specify specific procedures, that's just bloody stupid. Next year someone develops a device that makes all vaginal probing redundant. And then they're stuck with a fifth leg of a law.

Lawmakers do stuff like that all the time. Here's another silly example. I read one of the anti abortion laws recently. It also specified picture pixel size and font size on the health department's webside for abortion information. It was writter last year and is already outdated. If you follow the law, it will look like crap on a new iPad. :rolleyes:
 
UD, that's a boss site, thanks for the link. The post above the doctor one is even better, IMO.


What kind of a pussy is too pussy to write the word dick properly? Pull up your own panties and go back to the playpen where kids are safe from the nasty dirty adult words, douche.

You're welcome, I actually came across the story while perusing Boing Boing.

Don't mind eyer, he's doing well to string together two coherent sentences without misusing ellipses 30 times. Then again, I don't think he's managed that yet. :cool:
 
"deflect"?

Dude: you ain't even man enough to be the woman of your own household.

Plus, according to the fairer sex of your own political bent...

...your d!ck ain't got a say in this issue.

Thus, your entire point in publishing this thread is wholly political...

...and not in any way practical. Poser.

You really need to grow a pair before you can even start pretending to wear the pants, son.

Yep, deflect, as in to completely ignore the topic to go off on a non-sequitur rant, followed up by personal attacks when your attempt at changing the subject is rebuffed.

"Dude", you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I don't have a say in this issue other than to say that the government lawmakers has no right to mandate a procedure because certain ideological morons think that they have a say in this issue, and that the women being forced to have this procedure do not.

So do go fuck yourself, douche-bag.
 
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"deflect"?

Dude: you ain't even man enough to be the woman of your own household.

Plus, according to the fairer sex of your own political bent...

...your d!ck ain't got a say in this issue.

Thus, your entire point in publishing this thread is wholly political...

...and not in any way practical. Poser.

You really need to grow a pair before you can even start pretending to wear the pants, son.

http://photoking.org/showimages.php?imgid=11031&req=Y&
 
What we need is a physician to object to using the ultrasound wand on religious grounds. Watch the wingnut heads a-splode.
 
Sticking a vacuum hose inside a woman's uterus to suck out her baby seems a lot more invasive than an ultrasound. Also a lot more traumatic for the baby.

When will blacks wake up and realize that abortion is just genocide being perpetrated by Democrats against their race?
 
Sticking a vacuum hose inside a woman's uterus to suck out her baby seems a lot more invasive than an ultrasound. Also a lot more traumatic for the baby.

When will blacks wake up and realize that abortion is just genocide being perpetrated by Democrats against their race?

Awww look who has shown up defendin' babbies!!

Women can't be trusted to make decisions on their own, can they?

They need a big benevolent paternalistic government "daddy" making decisions for them, amiright?
 
Women who have abortions, are women who cant afford to have children. I am continually baffled by people who claim to be against big government until it comes to something they oppose. Touch my guns, fuck you, touch someone elses uterus, fine by me.:rolleyes:
 
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