Do you think the Official Conspiracy Theorists like tinfoil?

What do you think? Do the tinfoil hats suit them? Are they completely crazy and wrong

  • Yes - they're NUTS in tinfoil hats

    Votes: 39 88.6%
  • No - I'm wearing one too (wooohooo!)

    Votes: 5 11.4%

  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
Problem Child said:
Well, my opinion is that they're all dead. I know that's a stretch for some people, but there it is.

This is going to be a long post, but i want to make sure these idiots get the point.

Victims of Flight 77

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.





PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng
 
NothingHitMe said:
Gringao, and the other obvious shills, explain again why you dismiss the hundreds of witnesses to the explosions taking down the WTC towers as lacking credibility despite the fact that there is VIDEO showing those explosions as well as seismic data that is impossible without controlled demolitions being the explanation.

Yet, with the Pentagon, there are only 100 or so witnesses, and NO VIDEO SHOWING A PLANE.

There's a video with the nose of the plane and scores and scores of eyewitnesses to Flight 77 plowing into the Pentagon...yet you persist in denying reality. You're loony.

As for the WTC, I've explained what those folks witnessed and there are as many explanations for those seondary and tertiary events as there are witnesses.
 
Problem Child said:
Barbara Olson was on that flight, she was a well-known conservative talking head and Washington D.C. attorney. She called her husband, Ted Olson, who is the U.S. Solicitor General from the plane and told him what was happening.
.

You really mean "she was ALLEGED to have been on that flight"


There are enormous problems with the credibility of the claimed call by Barbara Olson to her husband as well.
0915-0930 AM, (very approximately since there is no record of the calls); Barbara Olson places two calls to her husband (she was his 3rd wife.), US Solicitor General Theodore Olson, supposedly to tell him that Flight 77 (the plane she is claimed to be on) has been hijacked. After the first call, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson notifies the Justice Department.

* According to the story, she called her husband on an airphone on a collect call because she didn't have a credit card on her (a nice excuse for avoiding a phone record turning up). But, not only can't an airphone be used without a valid credit card (it has to swiped through the slot), you can't even take the handset off the cradle until the credit card is swiped through...because it's locked to stop it flying around accidentally during any turtbulence. So how did she make the call without lifting the handset? (I guess it must have been with "magic" like Fawkin'Injun mentioned)

* There are no other witnesses to this call taking place. Neither is there any record of the call being made.

* Barbara Olson is also not listed in the Social Security Death Index as having died (neither is Todd Beamer and the vast majority of passengers on Flights 93 and 77, by the way)

If you knew or suspected your spouse’s aircraft had just fireballed inside the Pentagon building, how would you spend the rest of the day? Most people would be in deep shock, I'm sure. About the last thing on your mind would be to pick up a telephone and call the CNN Atlanta news desk in order to give them a “scoop”.



Addressing the Supreme Court of the United States of America, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson said it is "easy to imagine an infinite number of situations . . . where government officials might quite legitimately have reasons to give false information out." (March 21, 2002, p.A35, the Washington Post article titled “The Limits of Lying” by Jim Hoagland)
In other words, lying is not out of the question for US Solicitor General Theodore Olson

In fact there is no evidence, except anecdotal, that any of the passengers made any cellphone calls or airphone calls at all. No documentation from telephone companies showing that phone calls were made from those particular passengers own cellphones, no record of the phone call to US Solicitor General Theodore Olson's office from a plane, no records of any of the calls to show that they actually came from the claimed locations.
 
NothingHitMe said:
Because nobody would believe you anyway. You know fuckall about CCTVs in the gas station, in the hotel, and at the other sites where the cameras were aimed in such a position to record that "alleged plane" hitting the Pentagon - if there was any such plane. But you can't prove that, can you? Because there's no damn video showing a plane hitting the Pentagon.

Cite an expert, a link, and quote them asswipe.

He doesn't need an expert. The security footage released that shows the nose of the plane has a time/date stamp and the frame updates at the exact rate that the second place updates.

Are you impugning your WRH source now?
 
I'm also curious as to how all those light poles that are 40 or 50 feet apart or more got clipped off by a missile.
 
breakwall said:
This is going to be a long post, but i want to make sure these idiots get the point.

Victims of Flight 77

ALLEGED victims of Flight 77

Prove that anyone was on that plane and that they're all dead.

Show us their names on the Social Security Death Index, and show us their names on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list, and their obituaries.

We don't even know if any of them existed, or whether the "relatives" were only actors (like in that lying game with the Saudi princess back in the Gulf War leadup pretending to be a Kuwaiti nurse who saw Iraqi taking babies out of incubators)
 
Gringao said:
He doesn't need an expert.

Of course he does. So do you. Cite sources, site links, with quotes that support your bullshit or walk away.



Gringao said:
The security footage released that shows the nose of the plane has a time/date stamp and the frame updates at the exact rate that the second place updates.

Are you impugning your WRH source now?

Then show it,
 
Lovelynice said:
ALLEGED victims of Flight 77

Prove that anyone was on that plane and that they're all dead.

Show us their names on the Social Security Death Index, and show us their names on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list, and their obituaries.

We don't even know if any of them existed, or whether the "relatives" were only actors (like in that lying game with the Saudi princess back in the Gulf War leadup pretending to be a Kuwaiti nurse who saw Iraqi taking babies out of incubators)

where's your proof about the eyewitnesses reports being fabricated?

Come ON!!

You're not only a liar, you're a slow as shit liar.
 
Lovelynice said:
and you can't show it?

Why not?

Are you LYING again? We're not surprised.

It was all over the news a few months back. I'm shocked that a gimlet-eyed crank such as yourself didn't scrutinize it. It indeed showed the nose of the plane in one frame, with the explosion resulting from the crash in the next (moving at 500 MPH, a one-second frame rate would allow the plane to move 733' per frame)
 
Lovelynice said:
Of course he does. So do you. Cite sources, site links, with quotes that support your bullshit or walk away.

Yeah, I'm fucking WAITING here....


Lovelynice said:
About thos Pentagon Witnesses
The publishing company of USA today, gannett publishing, made up a MAJORITY of the pentagon 'witnesses', whose testimony is used repeatedly to 'prove' that a commercial plane hit the Pentagon. it was them and people who work at the Pentagon, mostly.
 
Gringao said:
He doesn't need an expert. The security footage released that shows the nose of the plane has a time/date stamp and the frame updates at the exact rate that the second place updates.

Are you impugning your WRH source now?

It's not worth the time to provide such things. These people actually believe the poor souls on flight 77 aren't dead. It's beyond description.
 
breakwall said:
where's your proof about the eyewitnesses reports being fabricated?

Come ON!!

You're not only a liar, you're a slow as shit liar.


where's your proof about the eyewitnesses reports at the WTC being fabricated?

Come ON!!

You're not only a liar, you're a slow as shit liar
 
Lovelynice said:
where's your proof about the eyewitnesses reports at the WTC being fabricated?

Come ON!!

You're not only a liar, you're a slow as shit liar

Stop trying to change the subject. Put up or shut up, nutcase.
 
Gringao said:
Here's a still of the frame with the nose of Flight 77 in it...you'll notice the plane's nose on the far right:

No - no plane in those photos.

I know you want everyone to PRETEND that there is, but there isn't.

Please show the plane hitting the Pentagon. I know you can't.
 
Gringao said:
Stop trying to change the subject. Put up or shut up, nutcase.


Stop trying to change the subject. Put up or shut up, nutcase

Show us the plane hitting the Pentagon, liar.
 
Lovelynice said:
Stop trying to change the subject. Put up or shut up, nutcase

Show us the plane hitting the Pentagon, liar.

It's here: atCNN, complete with time/date stamp (date was off by a day), showing the frame rate of one update per second.

Now show us yours, nutcase.
 
Lovelynice said:
Good, then please fuck off, since you have NOTHING

You'll never get back the days weeks and month (years?) you're wasting on this. Plus it's made you incredibly cranky.
 
Gringao said:
It's here: atCNN, complete with time/date stamp (date was off by a day), showing the frame rate of one update per second.

Now show us yours, nutcase.

No plane on that video.

Please show us the plane hitting the Pentagon.
 
Problem Child said:
I'm also curious as to how all those light poles that are 40 or 50 feet apart or more got clipped off by a missile.
Perhaps it was two missiles with a line between them.
 
Problem Child said:
You'll never get back the days weeks and month (years?) you're wasting on this. Plus it's made you incredibly cranky.

You'll never get back the days weeks and month (years?) you're wasting on this. Plus it's made you incredibly cranky.
 
Lovelynice said:
No - no plane in those photos.

I know you want everyone to PRETEND that there is, but there isn't.

Please show the plane hitting the Pentagon. I know you can't.

I can only show you a plane bearing down on the Pentagon at 500mph just a couple of hundred yards from it, then a big fireball in the next frame. Sorry...I suppose the Pentagon should have put in high-speed security cameras in expectation of such attacks.

Now show me the photos of your missile(s)
 
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