Do you own your body?

[ll74]

I'm saying neither should be.

There should not be laws prohibiting or guaranteeing any legitimate, safe medical procedure. That should be up to the medical professions.

And yet there are.

So you can say neither should be and the states can tell you to fuck off because there are.

 

[jaF0]

The states should be instructed to stay the fuck out of medical decisions by the federal government.

Which is exactly what I said.

 

[Lazaran]

People don't want one set of laws nationwide. There would be no states other than in name and shape if that were to happen. Federalizing laws is not the answer. And yes, health care is inconsistent between states. Always has been, always will be.

All that happened here (whether it should have or not) is that it got tossed back to the states, just like speed limits, gun laws, tax laws and so many other things.

The ONLY practical way to set a national standard is to block the states from knowing via HIPAA and let the AMA and other professional medical organizations decide which procedures are safe.

Orrrrrrrr The SCOTUS could rule that women have a constitutional RIGHT (more like a HUMAN RIGHT) to PRIVACY when it comes to their health care decisions

“Coequal branch of government” actually means something.

See also: Roe v Wade.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I'm saying neither should be.

There should not be laws prohibiting or guaranteeing any legitimate, safe medical procedure. That should be up to the medical professions.

Then there would be no medical professionals.

 

[adrina]

My position: "Government should not have authority or power over the issue of abortion, and kicking the issue to the states is the first step in recognizing that."

Your position: "I need the government to have the authority and power to give women permission for abortions."

And you honestly think you're fighting for women's rights?

All you're doing is arguing for government authority and power while pretending government should have a say in the first place.

If you wanna seriously sit there and demand government should have the authority and power to dictate abortion decisions, go ahead and be my guest.

My position is government should not have authority or power of abortion, at any level. Period. Full Stop.

Keep arguing against that all you want, just don't expect me or anyone else to take you seriously when you claim to be for 'women's rights'.

Your position: supports Dobbs decision overturning Roe which enabled government to interfere with women getting abortions.

You stated rights were granted by government and now you want to argue with me over the fact I support a federal right to abortion. Can't make this shit up.

At this point you're just trying to argue.

All rights flow from government. At this point we have several groups trying to enact a national ban on abortion. Ironically mostly men.

You bet your ass I support a national right to abortion codified into law.

Don't try to condescend to me. Pomposity only works if you are making sense. You aren't.

 

[adrina]

I'm not entirely sure that the Feds should be in that area at all any more than the states should, either way. Set standards for a safe procedure, the same way food and drug standards are set, but to guarantee availability? Is that really a Government thing?

They can't even agree on voting rights which is a far more appropriate place for government.

Being that there are people and groups actively working to ban abortion, the only way to guarantee it is to legislate it federally.

This is the type of equivocating that makes me say men can't be trusted. Seriously. The reality is that the majority of men are anti-abortion, just about every male GOP legislator wants to ban abortion and we have independents etc who are tepid about it.

This is how Trump won, this is how abortion got banned... because instead of fighting for women you and men like you are wondering if you even need to.

Fucking A. Just throw women under the bus some more.

 

[Lazaran]

At this point you're just trying to argue

I fucked up an earlier post (which I have since deleted) that was questioning whether TaintyFuckBoi is simply an ignorant POS, or if TaintyFuckBoi is an ignorant sealioning POS.

I’m going with the latter.

 

[adrina]

I fucked up an earlier post (which I have since deleted) that was questioning whether TaintyFuckBoi is simply an ignorant POS, or if TaintyFuckBoi is an ignorant sealioning POS.

I’m going with the latter.

It's obvious he gets off trying to get a rise out of whoever he is "debating" things with.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's obvious he gets off trying to get a rise out of whoever he is "debating" things with.

"Your views are almost certainly scientifically incorrect" was the "tell".

Ole thin-skinned Jay is a sealion, through and through.

 

[Lazaran]

It's obvious he gets off trying to get a rise out of whoever he is "debating" things with.

The POS is NOT original at all.

See also:

"Right"guide, BabyBoobs, Derpy, etc, etc..

 

[TastySuckToy]

You bet your ass I support a national right to abortion codified into law.

You think government should dictate whether women can have abortions or not. Gotcha.

 

[ll74]

You think government should dictate whether women can have abortions or not. Gotcha.

They already do.

She doesn't need to have a position on the matter.

 

[adrina]

You think government should dictate whether women can have abortions or not. Gotcha.

I think government should protect the right to abortion. It is a basic right.

I must note, that here we have yet another man who is trying to tell me what I think. Even though I have stated it directly and plainly several times.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I think government should protect the right to abortion. It is a basic right.

Protect it from who? Government is the only entity that will try to stop women from having one in the first place.

 

[Thin59]

Well... do you?

Of course , but I own several others .

 

[adrina]

Protect it from who? Government is the only entity that will try to stop women from having one in the first place.

The men who are trying to ban it. The women who have been brainwashed by misogynistic culture who are trying to ban it. The conservatives who are trying to ban it. The state legislatures composed mostly of men who are trying to ban it. The state courts composed mostly of men who are trying to ban it.

It's like you have no idea how the interplay that makes government work works.

There is a tug of war going on and women are paying the price.

Are you trying to be purposefully ignorant?

 

[TastySuckToy]

The men who are trying to ban it. The women who have been brainwashed by misogynistic culture who are trying to ban it. The conservatives who are trying to ban it. The state legislatures composed mostly of men who are trying to ban it. The state courts composed mostly of men who are trying to ban it.

In other words, government, government, government, government, government.

Exactly what I said. And when you demand the government should 'legalize' it, you are literally taking the position that government should have the final say, one way or the other. The same government you keep crying is filled with men who want to ban it.

You insist over and over the government is biased against women and abortion, filled with those evil abortion banning men, but absolutely refuse to adopt the position they shouldn't have authority over the situation one way or another.

If we agreed and pushed into effect that government shouldn't and doesn't have authority over the issue one way or the other, then women having abortions would be safe no matter who is in power, because it would be beyond the purview of its purpose.

But nope, you just keep insisting government should have the final say. You shoot your own cause in the foot, and are too stubborn and ignorant to see otherwise.

 

[adrina]

In other words, government, government, government, government, government.

Exactly what I said. And when you demand the government should 'legalize' it, you are literally taking the position that government should have the final say, one way or the other. The same government you keep crying is filled with men who want to ban it.

You insist over and over the government is biased against women and abortion, filled with those evil abortion banning men, but absolutely refuse to adopt the position they shouldn't have authority over the situation one way or another.

If we agreed and pushed into effect that government shouldn't and doesn't have authority over the issue one way or the other, then women having abortions would be safe no matter who is in power, because it would be beyond the purview of its purpose.

But nope, you just keep insisting government should have the final say. You shoot your own cause in the foot, and are too stubborn and ignorant to see otherwise.

You already acknowledged and stated that all right stem from the government. At this point you are a troll. You are arguing against a point you yourself made.

Your ignorance is fully on display.

 

[Lazaran]

In other words, government, government, government, government, government.

Exactly what I said. And when you demand the government should 'legalize' it, you are literally taking the position that government should have the final say, one way or the other. The same government you keep crying is filled with men who want to ban it.

You insist over and over the government is biased against women and abortion, filled with those evil abortion banning men, but absolutely refuse to adopt the position they shouldn't have authority over the situation one way or another.

If we agreed and pushed into effect that government shouldn't and doesn't have authority over the issue one way or the other, then women having abortions would be safe no matter who is in power, because it would be beyond the purview of its purpose.

But nope, you just keep insisting government should have the final say. You shoot your own cause in the foot, and are too stubborn and ignorant to see otherwise.

TaintyFuckBoi

 

[TastySuckToy]

You already acknowledged and stated that all right stem from the government. At this point you are a troll. You are arguing against a point you yourself made.

You think abortion is a right that is decided by the government, and the government should have and has the final say. Gotcha.

 

[adrina]

You think abortion is a right that is decided by the government, and the government should have and has the final say. Gotcha.

Ironic. Apply this to gun rights.

You are a complete idiot.

 

[Lazaran]

You think abortion is a right that is decided by the government, and the government should have and has the final say. Gotcha.

So TaintyFuckBoi believes that abortion should be legal in all cases, and that "republicans" are a bunch of control freak Christo-fascists.

 

[GhostFence2024]

Well... do you?

No, I had to sign up for selective service or face serious penalties.

 

[adrina]

No, I had to sign up for selective service or face serious penalties.

Ooooh so you are saying we should treat pregnancy like SS or the draft.

If you are called into service, you will receive clothing, shelter, pay, medical care, insurance benefits for life, transferable benefits to family, as well as a multitude of other services including education and housing assistance.

Are you ready to have those benefits supplied to every woman who is forced to carry a pregnancy that she doesn't wish to?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Are you ready to have those benefits supplied to every woman who is forced to carry a pregnancy that she doesn't wish to?

List of resources, benefits and services provided to pregnant women and mothers:

Healthcare and Medical Services
- Prenatal Care: Regular check-ups, ultrasounds and screenings, genetic counseling
- Medicaid: Health coverage for low-income pregnant women, comprehensive maternity care
- Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP): Health coverage for children in low-income families, prenatal care in some states
- Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC): Nutrition education and food assistance, breastfeeding support
- Family Planning Services: Contraceptive services and education, preconception counseling
- Maternal and Child Health Block Grant (Title V): Support for community health programs, services for maternal and child health

Financial Assistance
- Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF): Cash assistance, employment support services
- Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP): Food purchasing assistance
- Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC): Tax credits for low to moderate-income working individuals and families
- Child Tax Credit: Tax credit for families with dependent children

Nutrition and Food Support
- Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP): Benefits for purchasing groceries
- Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC): Nutritional foods and education, breastfeeding support
- National School Lunch Program: Free or reduced-price meals for children in schools
- Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC): Food packages tailored to pregnant women, breastfeeding mothers, and young children

Support Services
- Breastfeeding Support: Lactation consulting, breast pumps (through insurance)
- Parenting Classes and Resources: Childbirth education classes, parenting skills workshops
- Home Visiting Programs: Nurse-Family Partnership (NFP), Healthy Families America (HFA)
- Crisis Pregnancy Centers: Support and counseling services, material assistance
- Postpartum Support: Counseling for postpartum depression, support groups

Housing Assistance
- Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers: Rental assistance for low-income families
- Public Housing Programs: Affordable housing options
- Emergency Shelter Programs: Temporary housing for homeless or at-risk mothers

Workplace and Legal Protections
- Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA): Up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-protected leave for childbirth and care
- Pregnancy Discrimination Act: Protection against workplace discrimination due to pregnancy
- Affordable Care Act (ACA): Mandates coverage of maternity and newborn care, preventive services without cost-sharing

Educational Resources
- Head Start Program: Early childhood education, health, nutrition, and parent involvement services
- Early Head Start Program: Services for low-income pregnant women, infants, and toddlers
- Parenting Education and Support Programs: Workshops and resources for new parents