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RandyRebecca said:
Militantly pro-choice, I'd say. A person's individual morality on abortion is their own business, and pro-choice laws don't interfere with an individual's moral conscience, unlike anti-choice laws that force morality onto people who completely disagree with that morality while punishing the poorest women and families in society.
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Well said.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/07/health/kentucky-abortion-anencephaly/index.html

Kentucky couple ‘furious’ state abortion laws meant they couldn’t hold their daughter to say goodbye​


All Heather and Nick Maberry wanted to do was hold their dead baby, but strict Kentucky abortion laws meant they couldn’t.


They were “furious” that the laws meant they never got to kiss or cuddle their daughter, Willow Rose, or tell her goodbye, Heather said.


“We’ll never know what her face looked like. We’ll never know what it was like to hold her in her arms,” she said. “We’re grieving someone that we’ve never seen.”
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The family’s ordeal started in April, when Heather was nearly five months pregnant and they found out their daughter was missing a major part of the brain, a condition called anencephaly. They say their doctors told them she would either be stillborn or die very quickly after birth.


The Maberrys wanted to terminate the pregnancy, but a near-complete abortion ban in their state doesn’t have exceptions for birth defects – even severe ones like anencephaly.
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Barbaric laws. Barbaric results.

But hey, yay for the fetus. Right?
 
The story is they couldn't get the abortion done in Kentucky so had to go out of state where the only option was the D&C because the Kentucky Medicaid program wouldn't cover the more expensive procedure.

But of course it only matters to the anti abortion crowd that they can demonize and castigate women who need and get abortions.

It's a bit of dark humor that the anti abortion folks feel they walk a higher moral ground all while embracing ignorance and barbarism.
 
adrina said:
The story is they couldn't get the abortion done in Kentucky so had to go out of state where the only option was the D&C because the Kentucky Medicaid program wouldn't cover the more expensive procedure.

But of course it only matters to the anti abortion crowd that they can demonize and castigate women who need and get abortions.

It's a bit of dark humor that the anti abortion folks feel they walk a higher moral ground all while embracing ignorance and barbarism.
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Kentucky Medicaid shouldn't cover the more expensive procedure. The baby had no brain beyond brainstem. It was dead if born. They could have paid for the procedure if it was important enough to them. It is what they voted for.
 
I just don't know what all this fuss is about. Child-sacrifice goes back as far as human history. For Example, the Canaanites sacrificed children to their god Baal to promote fertility. This horrified the ignorant, superstitious goat herders who were their neighbors at the time, just as it horrifies ignorant, superstitious people today. Surely securing my right to reproductive healthcare by sacrificing the occasional child is at least as valid a reason for child-sacrifice as appeasing some imaginary dieity.
 
adrina said:
The story is they couldn't get the abortion done in Kentucky so had to go out of state where the only option was the D&C because the Kentucky Medicaid program wouldn't cover the more expensive procedure.

But of course it only matters to the anti abortion crowd that they can demonize and castigate women who need and get abortions.

It's a bit of dark humor that the anti abortion folks feel they walk a higher moral ground all while embracing ignorance and barbarism.
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The tiny amount of effort it would have taken BabyBoobs to research that story, before posting a misleading/ slanderous smear of the couple, demonstrates what a garbage individual BabyBoobs truly is.

BabyBoobs is using an innocent child as a political football in another thread today.

JFC

SAD!!!
 
The Maberrys wanted to terminate the pregnancy, but a near-complete abortion ban in their state doesn’t have exceptions for birth defects – even severe ones like anencephaly.


The Maberrys went out of state to end the pregnancy, but their insurance, Kentucky Medicaid, wouldn’t pay for it. They wanted to induce birth so they could hold Willow, but that would’ve cost them tens of thousands of dollars. Instead, they had to settle for a much less expensive surgical procedure – but that procedure does not leave the fetus intact.
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In yesterday’s congressional hearing, FBI Director Christopher Wray said the FBI has seen a “significant uptick” in violence against pro-life centers. ”Most of the investigations, probably about 70% of them,” have involved attacks on crisis pregnancy centers, not abortion clinics.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
In yesterday’s congressional hearing, FBI Director Christopher Wray said the FBI has seen a “significant uptick” in violence against pro-life centers. ”Most of the investigations, probably about 70% of them,” have involved attacks on crisis pregnancy centers, not abortion clinics.
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Violence isn't acceptable.

I'm curious if there has been a downtick on violence against abortion clinics. I'd also like to see a comparison of numbers between the two
 
ll74 said:
Violence isn't acceptable.

I'm curious if there has been a downtick on violence against abortion clinics. I'd also like to see a comparison of numbers between the two
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/11/health/abortion-clinic-violence-report/index.html

Abortion clinics saw an increase in violence and threats in 2022, report says​


A new report says there was a “sharp increase” in violence at abortion clinics in 2022, the year when Roe v. Wade was overturned, ending the federal right to an abortion. A disproportionate increase occurred in states that protect abortion rights, according to the National Abortion Federation, a professional association for abortion providers.


In its annual report on violence, the federation says there were more major incidents at abortion clinics, including arson, burglaries, death threats and invasions last year than in 2021. There were decreases in trespassing and assault and battery, which the federation attributes to clinic closures.
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In Italy, groping of a woman's body is acceptable as long as it is less than 10 seconds. This is according to their Federal Court. Wanna bet Republicans will find similar here?
 
I see Iowa have now reduced the maximum abortion limit to 6 weeks, down from 22 weeks. Indiana will be going even further on August 1, 2023, going from 22 weeks to illegal.

This is now the current abortion situation legally in the US (as of July 16, 2023):

States (+ DC) that allow abortion at any stage of pregnancy
Alaska
Colorado
District of Columbia
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oregon
Vermont

States that allow abortion up to 27 weeks of pregnancy
Massachusetts

States that allow abortion up to 25 weeks of pregnancy
Virginia

States that allow abortion up to 24 weeks of pregnancy
Nevada
New Hampshire
New York State
Pennsylvania

States that allow abortion up to the fetal viability stage of pregnancy (23-24 weeks)
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana (an attempt to reduce to 20 weeks currently blocked by legal injunction)
Rhode Island
Washington State
Wyoming (an attempt to illegalize abortion currently blocked by legal injunction)

States that allow abortion up to 22 weeks of pregnancy
Indiana (abortion will be banned in Indiana from August 1, 2023, as things stand)
Kansas
Ohio (an attempt to reduce to 6 weeks currently blocked by legal injunction)
South Carolina (a law to reduce to 6 weeks overturned after one day on May 26, 2023, and currently blocked by legal injunction)

States that allow abortion up to 18 weeks of pregnancy
Utah (an attempt to illegalize abortion currently blocked by legal injunction)

States that allow abortion up to 15 weeks of pregnancy
Arizona (an attempt to illegalize abortion currently blocked by legal injunction)
Florida (6 weeks signed into law by the governor, currently blocked by trigger provision, will take effect if Florida supreme court rules in favor of 15 weeks limit)

States that allow abortion up to 12 weeks of pregnancy
Nebraska
North Carolina

States that allow abortion up to the stage of pregnancy before cardiac-cell activity (6 weeks)
Georgia
Iowa

States where abortion is illegal
Alabama
Arkansas
Idaho
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia

States where abortion is technically legal, but no providers
Wisconsin
 
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