Do slave training institutions exist?

[Kailey_86]

i hope that this doesn't sound too naive. Recently i have been reading everything i can get my hands on that is about BDSM and D/s. i keep reading about these slave training institutions. In one book it was set up like a pony farm, in another it was similar to the institution mentioned in "Story of O." i have also read about slave auctions and dressage shows.
Do these places really exist?
If they do, what are they called and where are they?
Would you ever send a slave/sub to a place like this (assuming that they do exist)?

 

[ChromeCollar]

You can find some pretty wild stuff on Google. Alot of communities have some interesting stuff set up as well, but I dont know about actual "farms". I dont even know about the legality of something like that. Regardless of whether you are there at your own free will or not, I can picture some group catching wind of that and trying to "rescue" you.

I'll link you a couple interesting things I've found on the topic but some of it is pretty extreme. I guess it depends on how deep into the culture you actually want to go. Do you truly want to be a slave to all around you, or a slave to the one in particular you want to call Master? I for one, would hate and detest being a slave to all.

http://www.slaveregister.com/
http://thedoghouse.org/members/slave_auction.htm

Just a couple links, be creative in your googling and you shall go far. Hope you find what you are looking for.


Edited to add: I would never want to be sent to something like this, nor would my Master allow it. None but him will ever be allowed to touch my flesh, and we both agree on this. What would your submission be to your Master if you were to go off and be submissive to others as well. Doesnt that take the special gift of the submission to him/her away? You can learn to be a good Sub/slave by your own experience, and there is a ton of reading and literature available on it as well if you wish it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yes, they do ...the slave register is not seen as being that wild as it is an online site where you can register yourself or be registered as being owned or belonging to someone, and I have been registered there for some years as have been a few other people on this forum...nothing very daring really, and does have links to some interesting forums and sites run by Tanos who lives what he preaches and is highly respected by many who are in the lifestyle RL and for more than just play.

Training institutes exist both online and in RL, but my thoughts are why would anyone bother. Basically given there is no one set way of being a slave or submissive, why would you go to a training establishment and waste the time and energy being trained in a way which might not suit the one you eventually end up with. And if you are with someone, why would they want someone else to train you?....if I had met someone who suggested that I would have blown tham off as being a wannabe or just plain lazy.

As to auctions etc., they also exist, though due to various issues they are usually a lot harder to locate. For the most part they deal with either the swapping or sale of slaves, as well as rental and sharing possibilities of slaves/subs. Of course, as with all places, all these sites, the slave register included, there is always the problem of trolls, people who just can't get past the idea some live this lifestyle so set out to make trouble, and those who are more attracted to being seen to be doing something daring and wild (in their minds) then actually doing it.

Catalina

 

[Bredon]

In eastern europe there seems to be some of this stuff--
I have a book about a pony boy farm in Poland (? have to look for the book), where dommes train male subs. The book has an adress and it seemed to me like a genuine holiday place. It was quite impressive with old fashioned buildings etc. and a riding hall (word?) and sulkies etc.

Bredon

 

[FurryFury]

I find the idea of being trained so appealing it's almost a fetish. That's why some of my favorite stories are about that such as Tales from Subspace

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=84817

and the things I tend to write.

If there were such a place I doubt I could actually go there even if I were single, as I'm so shy and all. As Cat said, there are some many kinds of BDSM that one size training would not fit all.

Fury

 

[EmzCumsHardcore]

hope so....we must find one!

 

[Netzach]

What would your submission be to your Master if you were to go off and be submissive to others as well. Doesnt that take the special gift of the submission to him/her away?

I share all of my property, actually, as it makes my belongings feel that much more *mine.*

That said, I find the whole chateau/facility fantasy kind of endearing in fantasy but impractical and silly IRL.

YMMV and to each their own.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

The world of _fiction_ is full of such stories, particularly popular is The Marketplace series of books by Laura Antoniou (published by Mystic Rose Books - http://www.mysticrose.com)

There are, no doubt, places in "the real world" where such training is available, some places may run full time, others may be special annual or semi-annual or quarterly type events that concentrate on aspects of training (Like Butchmann's Academy, or Leather Academy). There are places that specialize in Female Dominant/male submissive training like OWK (Other World Kingdom). There are places that specialize in pony play or other fetishes.

ALL of the real "training houses", at least the ones that I am aware of, are _consentual_ though. If non-consentual kidnapping, forced sex, assualt etc are occuring, all it takes is one "slave" to get away, to bring the whole house of cards crashing down.

I'd be curious to find out what books you've been reading with information about "training academies", whether they are fiction or non-fiction books.

 

[Bredon]

Geoff--

The book I was referring too was mainly photos, and it *said* that it showed a real place ( I think there was some contact adress given where you could book)-- as I have moved, it's somewhere deep down in some box, no idea right now where to look for it sadly-- but will try to think of it when I unpack later.

Bredon

 

[Kailey_86]

I'd be curious to find out what books you've been reading with information about "training academies", whether they are fiction or non-fiction books.

i just finished reading "Carrie's Story" and i just started "Safe Word." Both of these books are by Molly Weatherfield. i think they are very interesting. The whole slave thing is very very appealing to me. i want to physically start my relationship with my Sir so that i know if i am as submissive as i believe i am in RL.

 

[catalina_francisco]

What would your submission be to your Master if you were to go off and be submissive to others as well. Doesnt that take the special gift of the submission to him/her away?

I guess it depends on the boundaries and type of your submission. If you are owned property, if it is in the way we live it, you become a possession just like a car, house, jacket, etc. If under those terms your PYL decides they wish to share you with someone else, it is then their right and to answer your question, your submission is then valued for your ability to obey and do as they wish independent of what your personal feelings are. They may be careful who they share you with, but they also may take pleasure in not being too careful. Where we are concerned it is never seen as my submitting to another because in reality he controls all that takes place and it is to him only I submit, his orders I obey. It is easy to submit and obey when everything which is ordered is what you want to do anyway, or don't find that difficult to get your head around.....it is much more difficult when you are asked to do something which you detest to your soul and may even make you physically ill...IMHO that is when submission takes place because you are submitting to another's will, not doing what you find acceptable and easy.

Catalina

 

[Joseki Ko]

i hope that this doesn't sound too naive. Recently i have been reading everything i can get my hands on that is about BDSM and D/s. i keep reading about these slave training institutions. In one book it was set up like a pony farm, in another it was similar to the institution mentioned in "Story of O." i have also read about slave auctions and dressage shows.
Do these places really exist?
If they do, what are they called and where are they?
Would you ever send a slave/sub to a place like this (assuming that they do exist)?

Places like this do exist, but (and its a BIG but) be careful what you ask for. There are lots of ways to train and be trained. Not all of them are SSC. Some training can revamp your mind by tearing it down and rebuilding it. Infact if you read enough blogs you can find situations where this does happen. Putting an Ad up on a site will net you offers as well. Be very careful what you get into. You get a large share of predators out there as well.

There is a place outside of Richmond that teaches Old Guard. And I believe there are houses in Seattle and Chicago as well. Gorean homes also populate the country.

Almost every BDSM group I've been to has held an auction at one point. Usually the auctions are for a short term lease but there is the ocasional exception. I've always gotten my money's worth from these. Usually they are held to help raise money for the club.

I notice the slave register was mentioned in this thread. Several years ago they did sponsor auctions and were not merely an information site. They stopped due to complaints from both sides of the collar. I bought a slave from the slave register. Had a good few months with her before I found out she was touring America one Master at a time. The Slavefarm also used to have an auction site. They removed it several weeks ago. If you check through Yahoo you can find several more auction sites.

Now would I ever send my girl to another Master to train... Not in this lifetime. There are alot of protocalls and services that I would not want my property to expierience much less be trained in. Also I require my property to follow my protocalls. I would not send a girl out to another only to have to retrain her later.

As for the auctions. In the past I have auctioned property on a short term basis. I don't make permanent sales. If a girl I own finds her love Master, then she may beg release. On one occasion I drove the girl over her new master he put his collar on her and I then took mine off. Last I'd heard they were doing well.

The girl I own now is my loveslave and no I wouldn't auction her for anything. Truth to tell I'm not that ecstatic about her fetching food and drink during my poker parties.

Have Fun~~Jo

 

[Kailey_86]

I would never want to be sent to something like this, nor would my Master allow it. None but him will ever be allowed to touch my flesh, and we both agree on this. What would your submission be to your Master if you were to go off and be submissive to others as well. Doesnt that take the special gift of the submission to him/her away? You can learn to be a good Sub/slave by your own experience, and there is a ton of reading and literature available on it as well if you wish it.

Sir wouldn't allow me to go either but i can understand why some Dom's might send their subs to a place like this. It really is the ultimate display of submission in my mind. Doing something that is as difficult as being used by another man when you love your Dom as much as You do is complete submission. Being away from Him but knowing that everything You do is for Him must be satisfying though. Very difficult but also satisfying. The fact that it is so difficult is what makes it mean so much.

Edited to add:
Training can definately be done at home. At the same time i can see how a slave training institution might "break a person down" so that they can be built back up again as the "perfect" slave like someone has already mentioned. From what i read, the subs/slaves seem to be so much more submissive afterwards. They are willing to do anything because the institution makes all of the "scary" things normal. It breaks the walls down and eliminates boundaries. There are no more limits. Complete obedience. No fear. That is my perception anyway.

 

[catalina_francisco]

At the same time i can see how a slave training institution might "break a person down" so that they can be built back up again as the "perfect" slave like someone has already mentioned. From what i read, the subs/slaves seem to be so much more submissive afterwards. They are willing to do anything because the institution makes all of the "scary" things normal. It breaks the walls down and eliminates boundaries. There are no more limits. Complete obedience. No fear. That is my perception anyway.

I think here you might be a little misinformed or reading the more fictional accounts on the internet. For one thing there is no such thing as 'perfect' anything in this world....believe me, as much as PYL's might say they want perfection, they also will admit it would bore them to tears. Given what you are talking about is being trained by a complete stranger, how would they know what was perfect for your Dominant? Some establishments offer a place for both PYL and pyl to attend together which may be better, but I still wonder how Dominant the Dominant is who feels they need someone else to do the training.

As to breaking a slave/sub...it is a well fabled internet notion that this is the path to true slavedom, but it is the rare person who has the skills to do it without causing permanent and irreversable damage, and even then there is no way of predicting the outcome. I would not see the eventual outcome as being submissive if what happens is the pyl no longer is the person they were, do not have the mental ability to choose to submit (that is not submission), or they are so far beyond sane anymore that submission and consent are no longer part of the equation. I hope you know what you are getting into because these are the things most will warn you against getting involved in. I can assure you, no-one has to break a slave/sub to achieve a 'no limits' submission....I for one offered and had it accepted without any breaking required and as I am sure you have gathered by now, I am not a doormat nor was I desperate enough to use it as a trick to gain my position, nor did I do it not fully aware of the implications and ready to take responsibility for them.

I get the feeling you are starry eyed about submission and do not really appreciate what it really entails and means, or think the best way to do it is the find an easy way....there is no easy way unless you find someone who will cater to your needs, use your limits, worship at your feet which IMO is not submission, at least not from the one being worshipped or catered to. Submission is a long road which never ends (at least not the 24/7 kind), and is full of challenges...you will never reach that magical spot where everything is easy and automatic and like you read in many stories, though many will tell you it is so.

Catalina

 

[MasterPhoenix]

No way would I want Mine trained by another... I am busy molding her into exactly what I want.

 

[Amity]

Allo All!

I have read the Story of O as well, and until about half way through, found myself wishing for a real life slave training place as well. The idea of being shared is really appealing. Then again, I could never go with strangers... Of course I am married and would never dare actually going to such place.

But then, when I actually finished the book, I realized I was indeed a sub, but in no way was I a prostitute or whore, nor do I ever want to become one, and that is what O eventually becomes. There are insinuations that it isnt what she intended to become either, but such establishement would probably make me feel like just that.

This isnt me at all. I am not a whore, or a prostitute, or a slut (well... that's debatable). I need trust, respect, chemistry, and love. Without it, I would feel like a whore. I just ordered "The Loving Dominant" book, and I hope it is what I am expecting it to be (and that it will be the perfect book to hand to my husband /teehee)

What I am trying to say is, be sure you know who you are and what you want before going to the extremes.

 

[Kailey_86]

I think here you might be a little misinformed or reading the more fictional accounts on the internet. For one thing there is no such thing as 'perfect' anything in this world....believe me, as much as PYL's might say they want perfection, they also will admit it would bore them to tears. Given what you are talking about is being trained by a complete stranger, how would they know what was perfect for your Dominant? Some establishments offer a place for both PYL and pyl to attend together which may be better, but I still wonder how Dominant the Dominant is who feels they need someone else to do the training.

As to breaking a slave/sub...it is a well fabled internet notion that this is the path to true slavedom, but it is the rare person who has the skills to do it without causing permanent and irreversable damage, and even then there is no way of predicting the outcome. I would not see the eventual outcome as being submissive if what happens is the pyl no longer is the person they were, do not have the mental ability to choose to submit (that is not submission), or they are so far beyond sane anymore that submission and consent are no longer part of the equation. I hope you know what you are getting into because these are the things most will warn you against getting involved in. I can assure you, no-one has to break a slave/sub to achieve a 'no limits' submission....I for one offered and had it accepted without any breaking required and as I am sure you have gathered by now, I am not a doormat nor was I desperate enough to use it as a trick to gain my position, nor did I do it not fully aware of the implications and ready to take responsibility for them.

I get the feeling you are starry eyed about submission and do not really appreciate what it really entails and means, or think the best way to do it is the find an easy way....there is no easy way unless you find someone who will cater to your needs, use your limits, worship at your feet which IMO is not submission, at least not from the one being worshipped or catered to. Submission is a long road which never ends (at least not the 24/7 kind), and is full of challenges...you will never reach that magical spot where everything is easy and automatic and like you read in many stories, though many will tell you it is so.

Catalina

Thank you for your input. i always do appreciate it. i am not looking into going to any of these institutions so no worries there. It's curiosity more than anything. i am just trying to better understand what i am reading. Since i am so new to this i am trying to get a handle on what is real and what isn't when it comes to the things i read.

i might be feeling a bit starry eyed about submission. Just a tad though. i understand what it means and i know how hard it can be. i don't expect fun and games. Things won't be easy by any means. i know that. Sir is strict with me and i appreciate it. i thrive off of it. i am working towards being His slave. He makes sure that i know what i am in for though. He reminds me constantly about what i will be expected to do. He makes sure that i realize what it really means to be a slave.