Dirty Old Men!!!

[*Eve*]

First a little background, I was at my little brother's football scrimage and this guy who had to be old enough to be my dad starting talking to me. I have no problem with that, but then he started to tell me how good I looked and would I like to go out with him sometimes. I said no thank you as politely as I could. Then he said, "come on brown sugar, you don't need one of those young buck who can't piss straight yet. You need someone who can take care of you" That's when I got up and changed seats.
Ok, this is the deal, what is up with the men in their forties, fifties, and sixties, hitting on women young enough to their daughters and in some cases their granddaughter. Am I the only one that is a bit disgusted with this trend?
I am 23 years old and I am constantly getting hit on by men that range from anywhere in their late forties, to even seventies. Like any woman, I am flattered to be complimented on how I look but these guys take it too far. Often I have been propsitioned with nights out on the town and gifts, and my bills getting paid if I "played ball". I'm not some damn prostitute. I am capable of paying my own bills and buying what I want if I so choose. Is it that some old men hit on "young things" because they think we're shallow and materalistic. I was taking a walk with a friend one day and we saw a girl who couldn't have been much older than me, getting out of a Mercedes with a wizened old man, and kiss him on the mouth while she let his wrinkled old hand rub her body.
That's the second thing that pisses me off. There are women out there who will date older men for the things that they can give them, but does that give the older men the right to come up to any young lady and expexct them to fall at their feet because they have a little money?
When I was in highschool there was a fifteen year old girl who got pregnant her forty year old boyfriend. I think he should have been ashamed of himself. What could those two possibly have any common? I also have a friend that's actually a year younger than I am living with a man who is 62. She get's her bills paid and he gets his dick sucked. (pardon my crudness).
Perhaps I am being a little harsh on the men because some women allow them to treat them that way. Is dating an older man for what he can give you worth your self respect, and what is on the minds of those old mack daddies who think that still got it go for the young girls?
I guess I'm just trying to figure out the mindset of these people.
I am by no means knocking older men and younger women relationships (the legitimate ones at least), but you must admit that it is a bigger strain on the relationship when the age gap is larger than 15 and sometimes 10 years.

 

[Patryn]

I see your point Eve, and also the difference of what you're talking about. I was once hit on by a friend of my mom when I was 16. He was at least 55, and that might be a low estimate. I had the "willies" for days.

On the other hand, I dated a guy 18 years my senior a few years ago, and it was a great relationship. Age just never really seemed an issue between us.

 

[Hecate]

Maybe I am just plain too scary ...

Seriously - I can not say that I have been hit on even once by a man a lot older than me in a way that was any different or more "material" than any other attempt. But I think I am just plain "cold" and so self-conscious, it kills any of those approaches even before started.

I actually have to confess that I had GREAT times with men who were more the age of my dad than my own. And they were very courteous and understanding, striving to give me all pleasure possible. I never was offered any "material" reimbursement - but the presents I got (and they were not material) were sooo cute, thoughtfull so personal and wonderful - the tiny things given with thought... something that often is missed by younger representatives of the male species.

I have to admit though - I started to appreciate these things when I was thirty. Before then I think the thought of physical contact with an "older man" would just have scared me ... but then again - when I was 20 a guy age 40 was twice my age *chuckles* and that sure is NOT an age I would count into the "elder men" section at all now.

So I think for now (till proven differently) I have to raise in defense of "Dirty Old Men"

 

[Nogard]

Hey, be nice to us old folks. No, this is not normal(I Hope) but it does happen. Change the age and how they present themselves and you get a young kid with no sense. Age has nothing to do with it, respect and knowledge does. Think for a minute, how would you like me to make a blanket statement about 23 year old women? Especially the ones that decide a great car is more important than their self respect. O.K. Flame away

 

[Gary1]

Older????????

I guess that I fit the "older" title now that I am in the second half of my first century. However, in all fairness, my brain still has trouble adjusting to the fact that the body is twice as old as the brain thinks it is. I still think like I am 20-25 years of age. At times the body says this 50 year old body feels like it is 60-70. Getting old sucks. Now the reality check ... the body says its getting older, the brain says it is staying younger, then you walk past the mirror and "reality Check" ... yuck ... How did the body let itself go like that ... and by the way ... who the hell is that in the mirror... so then the body gets its nose out of joint and starts posturing to assure the eyes and brain that the body belongs to them and it is not such a bad body after all... just a little out of shape ... no big deal ... yea right....

So ... I was at a football game the other day... I am sitting next to a babe ... hmmmmm she must be around 23-25 ... a real stunner .... beautiful eyes, gorgeous hair, and a body to die for...

The body sits a bit taller, it feels younger... the mouth and brain starts to talk to the "babe" and she talks back .... wow ... this is exciting ... the body starts to sit taller, the chest sticks out a bit, you know the pecks, and the stomache gets sucked in ... whoa ... and what was that between the legs ... did I actually feel something down there ... wow ... life is good and the little head is alive...

We do a little chit chat and the brain is feeling good, the body is feeling good, everything is feeling good .... just like it used too ... the brain is saying, "see, I've still got it." "If the body could have just kept up, we might still have a chance in this ball game." The girl is nice and friendly... Hmmmmmm,.... the little head takes over and the big head backs off.... I don't know what it is about the male body... why is it that there is only enough blood in the the male body to support one head... if the top head is in charge, the little head is small and nothing... however, when the little head gets inflated ... ohoh, big trouble ... the big head stops functioning....

back to the story ... the mouth then compliments the "babe" on some of her physical attributes ... whups ... big mistake ... AGE DIFFERENCE ... AGE GAP ... now days it is not polite to compliment on physical attributes ... it is thought of as being male chauvenistic... not good with the 20-29 year olds... they want equality ... to be treated as one of the guys ... be a buddy ... they may spend a hundred bucks on the hair do ... $60 bucks on the "wonder bra" to enhance what god did not give them ... and $200 bucks for the outfit ... They spend all this money ... NOT for you to compliment them ... but to be an equal with you ... your buddy .... and Please ... no compliments and absolutely nothing can be sexual in tone or under-tone ... BIG MISTAKE!!!!!

She gives you that look ... not just a look ... BUT, "THAT" LOOK!!!! Oh yea, you know the one... the disgust look, the "you gotta be real" look, the "I'm outa here" look. And with that she is gone... BUT, not really gone ... oh no ... to add insult to injury ... to totally destroy the brain and ego ... to totally deflate the little head (to a point that it won't raise it's little round head for weeks and months to come) oh no ... she has to do the total destruction act ... yup, you got it ... she moves a couple of seats down and over a couple of seats .... oh yea ... right.... just enough so everyone around knows what just happened... yup... "SHUT-DOWN" ... no score, no points, no marks ... total shut down.... and then there is the snickers ... it's not bad enough that you just made a fool of yourself... not bad enough that you are fifty and had the guts enough to strike up a conversation with a beautiful 23-25 year old... oh no, not near bad enough that your ego took a nose dive that you may never recover from ... but then you sit there and have to listen to the snickers of everyone around you making snide comments, like "pervert", "old-fart", "cradle-robber", "who the hell does he think he is anyways, the president of the United States?"

Yea, you sit there in humiliation and wish that you could slide or slither under the bleachers to some safe cave... The body tells the brain ... "see I told you so ..." "I told you that you were in your fifties, old, fat, and ugly." "But, oh no, you wouldn't listen." "Just how many times do I have to tell you that you are not 24 years old any more."

Yes, I have been there, done that, and yes, the tee-shirt and several others are still in the closet as reminders. Getting old sucks!!! You try to be courteous, you hold the door open, you talk polite, you compliment, and then you get flamed ... with the biggest flame thrower of all ....

As for favors ... golly gee ... in my generation, a gift for an act of kindness was a nice and courteous thing to do and give. It is hard being young today... the utilities just about kill you... it is hard to pick out something that is personal, hell, you can't even compliment someone or even open the door for someone without it being thought of as sexist, so why the hell not pay for a month or two of the utilities... I can pay for the utilities just be paying some additional when I pay my utilities and all I am trying to do is be nice and help out... If I was lucky enough and you were generous enough to allow me to have sex with you ... wowow ... what a treat ... as a gesture of kindness for your kindness ... what is wrong with a gift ... my generation to yours... don't make it into something that it is not...

Now if you want to be nasty about it ... what is the difference between a prostitute and many of the wives and girlfriends that are out there ... yea go ahead and think about it... the prostitute is the honest one ... you pay up front for a fuck ... the act is transacted and then it is over with ... but some of the wives and girlfriends ... oh yea ... lets talk about prostitution... "He isn't going to get a piece of my ass, unless he gets me that ring." "If he treats me right, on that ski vacation or that cruise, or... maybe I will be nice to him and we will have a little 'love makin', but ONLY after he..." yup, you tell me about prostitution ... one you pay up front ... the other you are always paying to get a little...

What ever happened to just being nice and enjoying life ... regardless of the age ... hmmmm, come on brain, I'll buy you a beer ...! .02 worth.

 

[Angelique]

What a great little story you took the time to write, Gary! Coming from a woman who has almost always dated "older men", I have to say that if I wasn't already engaged to Xander, I'd offer to buy you a drink.

I can totally understand how Eve felt, and I can certainly understand the flip side with Gary's post. But when it comes right down to it, we're all going to be "older" one day...and I've always been one who has chosen my partners based on what's inside and not the superficial exterior. And often times I've gotten remarks like "Oh c'mon...you can do better than THAT!" meaning "find someone your own age, not some "old man."

Perhaps I'm in the minority in believing that you can't judge a book by it's cover...but I certainly have "read" some extremely interesting books, often times they were the ones that were a little bit "worn."

 

[Bliss]

I agree with Angel that Gary's story proves that a sexually alive person is "forever young" inside for as long as they want to be. However, I believe *Eve*'s story illustrates that a lecherous creep keeps on keeping on until the Viagra quits working, and probably after that, too. I'm sure the bigger turn off was the sleazy come on. That he seemed old enough to Pa or Grandpa Walton was just poo on her shoe.

An unwanted come on is unpalatable no matter the age of the octopus.

 

[Jade]

Eve,

I know what you mean!

I will never forget this one time when I was around 13 years old and my friend's mother's boyfriend looked at my little chest and read whatever letters were on the t-shirt, that happened to be in a very perfect placement on the shirt. Then, for the rest of the time I was there he kept looking over, staring at my 13 yr old chest, and reading the shirt.... my friend and I were totally grossed out and went and spent the night at my house instead.

I suppose, now that I am older, I am still pretty grossed out that I have emails in my in-box from guys that fought in WWII... of course I respect them for fighting for what they believed in and all that...but that doesn't mean I would want a sexual relationship with them.
Also, if they were attracted to MORE than JUST women at least 20 years younger it would be one thing, but the way things are now... I am so afraid that men my own age won't think I am sexy anymore once I am older... it is SO unfair when sleezies like that guy make us feel as if we are going to some day "expire" in sexuality... when really, we are like fine wines and only get better with age.

Sorry this was not a very well thought-out post...I promise I will have more time Tuesday (after the infamous final).

 

[Mensa]

Good thing I learned how to read

I thought, at first, *Eve* had made a mistake and posted on the "General" instead of the "Personal".

Turns out she doesn't want any" dirty old men".

Well all I can say to that is" Want some candy, little girl?"LOL

 

[Thor's Hammer]

delicate subject

As nearly as I can tell, I am the oldest person that has responded. To generalize about age, however, is roughly akin to generalizing about people because of race, creed, sex, national origin..and so forth. We are ALL individuals. I can honestly say that I have never hit on a woman that I would characterize as young (a perspective issue, I know).

To be perfectly candid - and please don't take offense - I would have little in common with a woman in her 20's. I LIKE and respect people of all ages. It would make me feel creepy, however, to "hit" on a woman that was 10-15 years younger than my daughters-in-law.

Also, while I'm sounding like pollyanna, I have never hit on anyone while I have been married...either time. Since that increments to 43 years, I suppose I am a bit inexperienced in the "hitting" department. Please don't lump all older men as "dirty old men." We are not..LOL. I am married to a "baby boomer" - 13 years my junior. I can say, without equivocation, that age had nothing to do with our mutual attraction - nothing at all.

Oh, and many women friends of mine have told me that they prefer dating or being in relationships with "older" men. Of course, as all women know, we mature sooooo much slower!

 

[Rosebud]

I am sorry eve that you have to meet men like this...I was 12 and delivered papers in a nursing home. One guy trapped me and his room and felt my breasts (which were quite big already) I was like a deer in the headlights, I froze. I finally managed to get out of there and never went back.

 

[Naked Hunny]

OK OK I ADMIT IT

I date older men.. The oldest guy i ever dated was 16 yrs my senior..Thats not that bad right? Ok I just find it easier for older men to appreciate me being a single mother. I dont go after older men for money just stability i guess. Most the men i date dont have money to throw around but they make it just well. Ill admit it though i was persued by a 46 yr old man who wanted to marry me and make my daughter his but thats just toooooo old for me..

 

[Cg1369]

what Thor said, I agree with. I have never "hit" on any lady. hell at my age. wouldn't know how to if I wanted to. My fiance is 11 yrs younger than I (I'm 58 in 2 days)Does that put me in the "D O M" category? I think not. I was fortunate enough to find a lady that I fell in love with before I knew her age. Now had she been younger than my daughter (who is 36) I would have backed off. Don't rob no cradle, don't have no incest fixations. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Skibum]

Eve, and Jade, both of you make some very good points in your posts, but I don't think the age differemnce is the important part of the equation. Eve, would you be any more receptive to a crude come-on like the one you received at the football game if it came from a guy nearer your own age? From what you described, the guy should be ashamed of himself regardless of his age.

And Jade, the behavior of your friend's mother's boyfriend would be reprehensible for any man in a relationship. It is NOT appropriate to stare at your girlfriend's daughter and her friend at any age.

As for your concern about getting attention as you get older, the two sexiest women on this BB are both close to my age (44)!

 

[Always]

*shivers*

you had to remind me...

when i was thirteen and spending the night at my sister's house, her boyfriend's uncle was there. he was like 43. trying to sleep on the floor wasn;t easy with his trying to pull me to him for a kiss. i think that unless my sister's boyfriend's kids (not my sis') weren't lying htere on the floor sleeping, he would have raped me.

i almost killed the fucker the next day when he tried to hug me goodbye, and i went home a day early so i wouldn't have to sleep in the same room with him again that night. every time i drive past his house i look to make sure he'snot outside. he really scared me, and if i had anything that had been illegal, i would have gone to the cops.

sorry, but it's sick. tell those old men to fuck off.

and if they don't listen, castrate 'em.

tatoo johnny my fuckin ass.

my best friend's older brother has a friend who is nine years older than me, and i would have a wholesome, not~just~sex relationship with him. but i juast draw aline at some things and i can't say exactly what they are cause i'm not sure yet.

 

[teresafannin]

Any kind of come-on like the one Eve got is disgusting-no matter how old the guy is. I am 41, but look younger. One of my hobbies is going to local Ren Faires. I do dress in "wench garb" & have gotten offers of a good time, from men of all ages, in spite of the engagement ring I wear. Tourist types & teenagers are the worst, they have no manners at all. One kid was around 19 & would not let me alone, even after I told him I was old enough to be his mother & I was carrying a dagger. Unfortunately, there are a lot of women who go for the money, I think they deserve what they get in the end. Age generalizations are always distasteful to me. I have friends of all ages & each one has different things about them that I like.

 

[Candi]

Old Men and Life

I saw and agree with your comments on men hitting on you. You are right. It's nice to be asked, but it's annoying to be pestered. No means no.

As for your second comment, about women allowing themselves to be used by older men, I have to disagree. I am 41 now, but in my 20's I did allow men to "treat" me to gifts in exchange for my services. I did not and have never felt like a prostitute, and I never felt used or taken advantage of. Just the opposite, I was in control of the situation. I chose the men and I chose what to do and how often we did it. I could have worked retail or in a bar, but why bother when I could get what I needed and have a nice time just by allowing men to have me. It was a job, nothing else. My self image was not involved.

If I needed rent money, I would spend the weekend with a very nice man and cater to him for 48 hours. In return I got 30 days living expenses. Whats wrong with that?

Besides, I enjoyed the attention and if he was a bad lover I would just always be busy the next time he called.

Don't be so quick to judge. I have a mind, and a body. I just used both to my advantage.

 

[*Eve*]

The point of this thread was not to rage on older guys, if I get a hold of Tommy Lee Jones, I might have to hit on him myself. The point is, the way that I find a lot of older men hit on younger women in my experience. From what I have seen and experienced first hand, a group of them that do go for the much younger women, think that we're vacant and unable to take care of ourselves. A lot of them like to dangle that carrot in front of you. "If you spend time with me, I can get you this and that..." Granted coming from any guy it would turn me off, but in my mindset, I would think that older men should know better and be a but more mature. I also think it's pretty sick for women who do date older men for what they can get out of them. It gives all women a bad name. I think it's very possible for people of any age to find love with each other but my problem is with the people who are in those leech like relationships.
When I was 19 I was walking home from work and a car pulled over. I never accepted a ride from a stranger but I recognized the man as a neighbor down the street so I got in the car with him thinking I could trust him to provide the ride home that he offered. Well halfway home he pulled off the road and stopped the car, before I understood what was happening he grabbed me and tried to kiss me. This guy had to be in his sixties. He said, "this is what you young girls like" I smacked him as hard as I could and was able to get out of the vehicle and I ran the rest of the way home. Perhaps that experience has clouded my view of the issue but to this day it pisses me off when some old guy comes on way to strong. Am I flattered? Of course, because it's nice to be though of as attractive, but when the attention because more persistant, I have a major problem with that. That's what make me angry.

 

[Always]

it's just kinda sick when someone ol enough to be your grandfather tries to get you to fuck them, you know?