Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[YDB95]

17.3 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz is NOT the candidate who can unify the party should Biden falter!)

No one here believes for one minute that you would ever credit any Democrat with ability to unify the party, Dump.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "No one here believes for one minute that you would ever credit any Democrat with ability to unify the party, Dump."

Joe Biden proved in 1988 and again in 2008 that he's a TERRIBLE presidential candidate, YDB95 - but he's also the closest thing that today's Democratic Party has to a NORMAL candidate! The rest of those loonies still running for the nomination are a BIZARRE collection of neo-socialist losers!

Joe was Barack Obama's running-mate for eight-years. He prudently bowed-out in '08 immediately after the Iowa caucuses, where he finished in 5th-place with a dismal one-percent. And then he wisely opted NOT to challenge Mrs. Clinton's claim to the nomination in 2016. This year, Joe is in first-place ONLY because he was vice-president for eight-years! He's STILL the horrible candidate that he's always been!

If he holds on to beat Liz Warren and the rest of the pack to win the 2020 nomination, it WON'T because of his skills on the campaign trail! It certainly won't be because women supported him, and he WON'T be an effective candidate in the fall months against President Trump! Biden will lose BIG at every level!

 

[JackLuis]

Dump, Joe will fade in the fall, as the field narrows out. Already it's down to four or five and the propaganda is still being spread. I don't know why you are so obsessed with Joe when it's LIz and Kamala that pose the greatest threat to your RWNJs.

THe next round of debates will clear the chaff and we can get down to real issues. Cleaning up Wall Street, fucking with the banksters, recovering some revenue that leaks out of Trumpian grifting, you know real problems. Or repairing our International standings, recovering our allies, repairing our trade agreements, and finding someone to take care of Jarad.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis writes: "Dump, Joe will fade in the fall, as the field narrows out."

You know, Jack - they were saying the EXACT SAME THING about Donald Trump back in the early days of the 2016 Republican nomination fight! They didn't believe his early victories would matter once the field narrowed down to one of two contenders!

"I don't know why you are so obsessed with Joe when it's LIz and Kamala that pose the greatest threat to your RWNJs."

I fully agree with you, Jack, that Elizabeth Warren is Joe Biden's greatest threat - I also believe that Kamala's campaign took a serious blow from Tulsi Gabbard in that second-round of debates that the California senator has yet to recover from! Liz is right now battling it out with Bernie for the pro-socialist-wing of their party, but Joe Biden controls all of the levers of power (thanks to his being Obama's vice president for eight-years), and he will use that power to amass a majority of Democratic Party convention delegates (just as Hillary Clinton did in 2016 - or President Jimmy Carter did in 1980!)

"The next round of debates will clear the chaff and we can get down to real issues. Cleaning up Wall Street, fucking with the banksters, recovering some revenue that leaks out of Trumpian grifting, you know real problems."

I don't believe that those televised debates have helped the Democratic Party one bit, Jack! They've come across as disunited, unhappy, angry, and even un-hinged! They're showcasing everything that's WRONG with their party! Once the Iowa caucuses get going, and all of those candidates begin dropping out, it's all going to come down to Biden vs. Liz (just like Mrs. Clinton vs. Bernie in '16), and "Gropin' Joe" will win the black vote in all of the southern primaries while Senator Warren captures the same states that Bernie won in the north, and Joe will ultimately end up winning the 2020 Democrat presidential nomination.

And then he'll get landslided by President Trump.

 

[YDB95]

I don't believe that those televised debates have helped the Democratic Party one bit, Jack! They've come across as disunited, unhappy, angry, and even un-hinged!

Certainly to people like you they do. But believe it or not, they're not gunning for the support of people who hate their party and everything it stands for. Can't imagine why not...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Certainly to people like you they do. But believe it or not, they're not gunning for the support of people who hate their party and everything it stands for. Can't imagine why not...

No they are alienating everyone who doesn't toe the most radical leftist ideas they can come up with.

Anyone to the right of Mao is a fuckin' NAZI!!!

And all white people are slave owning oppressors.

Great way to win the suburban white swing vote.

It's like they learned nothing in 2016.

 

[JackLuis]

‘There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there’: Joe Biden at Cape Cod fundraiser

Former Vice President Joe Biden defended Republican lawmakers in DC as “decent people” during a campaign fundraiser held at Cape Cod.

“There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there,” Biden argued, according to Washington Post reporter Matt Viser.

But they are spineless followers, not leaders with conviction in their principals.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Certainly to people like you they do. But believe it or not, they're not gunning for the support of people who hate their party and everything it stands for. Can't imagine why not..."

The Democratic Party debates have NOT been good for Joe Biden, YDB95! They haven't been good for Kamala Harris, either! Some of the minor candidates may have benefited, but not enough to put any of them into serious contention for the nomination! They certainly haven't been good for former President Obama, as his legacy has been trashed, especially regarding his so-called "Affordable" Care Act! The one clear beneficiary thus far has no doubt been President Trump!

BotanyBoy writes: "No they are alienating everyone who doesn't toe the most radical leftist ideas they can come up with... great way to win the suburban white swing vote. It's like they learned nothing in 2016."

EXACTLY RIGHT! This current crop of Democratic Party presidential candidates almost makes Hillary Clinton look like a sensible, qualified choice! But, as we all know, Trump has already defeated her! And he'll DESTROY Joe Biden in 2020!

JackLuis posted: "‘There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there’: Joe Biden at Cape Cod fundraiser"

Biden is clearly trying to distance himself from Hillary's disastrous "basket of deplorables" line that blew up in her face back in 2016, and only succeeded in firing-up Trump's base! Somebody in "Gropin' Joe's" campaign must have suggested that he say something nice about Republicans!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Certainly to people like you they do. But believe it or not, they're not gunning for the support of people who hate their party and everything it stands for. Can't imagine why not..."

The Democratic Party debates have NOT been good for Joe Biden, YDB95!

A broken clock is right twice a day.

They haven't been good for Kamala Harris, either! Some of the minor candidates may have benefited, but not enough to put any of them into serious contention for the nomination! They certainly haven't been good for former President Obama, as his legacy has been trashed, especially regarding his so-called "Affordable" Care Act! The one clear beneficiary thus far has no doubt been President Trump!

Don't confuse what really happened with what you want to believe.

BotanyBoy writes: "No they are alienating everyone who doesn't toe the most radical leftist ideas they can come up with... great way to win the suburban white swing vote. It's like they learned nothing in 2016."

EXACTLY RIGHT! This current crop of Democratic Party presidential candidates almost makes Hillary Clinton look like a sensible, qualified choice! But, as we all know, Trump has already defeated her! And he'll DESTROY Joe Biden in 2020!

Since Hillary Clinton was no radical leftist and she made big gains in the suburbs over how Democrats usually do there, I guess you're right that being a radical isn't going to win the swing vote. But that explains why Trump did not win the swing vote in 2016.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Don't confuse what really happened with what you want to believe."

I LOVE that, YDB95 - and it's worth repeating: "Don't confuse what really happened with what you want to believe" - that sounds like a message for all of those angry Democrats who can't let go of the Mueller Report's findings! They wanted SO BADLY to believe that Russia collusion really happened, and they continue to have a hard time accepting that it didn't! They shouldn't confuse what REALLY HAPPENED with what they all WISH had happened!

"Since Hillary Clinton was no radical leftist and she made big gains in the suburbs over how Democrats usually do there, I guess you're right that being a radical isn't going to win the swing vote. But that explains why Trump did not win the swing vote in 2016."

Hillary Clinton was crooked & dishonest, and her candidacy signalled the beginning of the end of the black vote here in the United States going overwhelmingly to Democratic Party presidential candidates! President Obama called Mrs. Clinton: "the most prepared person ever to become president, including even myself" - ignoring the fact that the American people didn't want her.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Don't confuse what really happened with what you want to believe."

I LOVE that, YDB95 - and it's worth repeating: "Don't confuse what really happened with what you want to believe" - that sounds like a message for all of those angry Democrats who can't let go of the Mueller Report's findings! They wanted SO BADLY to believe that Russia collusion really happened, and they continue to have a hard time accepting that it didn't! They shouldn't confuse what REALLY HAPPENED with what they all WISH had happened!

The irony here is no doubt lost on you. And I don't even have to speculate on the likelihood that you read anything about the Mueller Report (at least not from a reliable source). Spoiler alert: Mueller found that there WAS collusion.

President Obama called Mrs. Clinton: "the most prepared person ever to become president, including even myself" - ignoring the fact that the American people didn't want her.

As reflected in the fact that she...received more votes than any other candidate in history. Yeah, okay, Dump.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Spoiler alert: Mueller found that there WAS collusion."

Yeah, Robert Mueller said there wasn't enough evidence to find Trump guilty. In an American court of law, we call that: "NOT GUILTY!" Obviously in New Zealand it means something different?

"As reflected in the fact that she...received more votes than any other candidate in history. Yeah, okay, Dump."

And yet, the very next morning Mrs. Clinton CONCEDED DEFEAT! I guess in New Zealand, conceding defeat means you've won? Well, here in the U.S. such a speech means the exact OPPOSITE is true!

29.0% - Joe Biden - ("Gropin' Joe" drops down below 30 percent!)

15.8 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz doesn't seem to be moving upwards anymore!)

15.4 - Bernie Sanders - (Bernie's campaign appears to be stagnating!)

7.4 - Kamala Harris - (Kamala continues her steady downward spiral in the polls!)

4.6 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete remains in a dismal 5th-place showing!)

3.4 - Francis O'Rourke - ("Beto" struggles to remain a viable candidate!)

2.2 - Cory Booker - (Cory continues to barely register!)

Source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ - (RealClearPolitics.com national polling averages)

 

[JackLuis]

Elizabeth Warren Has A New Deal For Native America

Elizabeth Warren is doing her best to put together a comprehensive package of interlocking policies that could make the American economy and government fairer, more equitable, more kind, and just all around better. It's pretty damned impressive -- and on the whole, probably the most progressive set of policy reforms since the New Deal. For instance, take a look at her proposal for remaking policy concerning Native Americans and other indigenous Americans. It's frankly the most serious, comprehensive proposal we've ever seen for addressing the problems facing Tribal nations -- which is saying something in itself, since most candidates do well to even mention them as part of vague statements about minority groups in general. For most of American history, presidential involvement with Native people could be typified by that old photo of Calvin Coolidge stiffly wearing a suit and Lakota headdress.

Liz has Plans, Trump has hot air and tax cuts.

 

[jaF0]

I'd like to know if anyone is planning on running that I'd be interested in voting FOR, rather than a body I'd select to place a vote against DonDon.

 

[Wrong Element]

29.0% - Joe Biden - ("Gropin' Joe" drops down below 30 percent!)

15.8 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz doesn't seem to be moving upwards anymore!)

15.4 - Bernie Sanders - (Bernie's campaign appears to be stagnating!)

7.4 - Kamala Harris - (Kamala continues her steady downward spiral in the polls!)

4.6 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete remains in a dismal 5th-place showing!)

3.4 - Francis O'Rourke - ("Beto" struggles to remain a viable candidate!)

2.2 - Cory Booker - (Cory continues to barely register!)

Source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ - (RealClearPolitics.com national polling averages)

"Everyone is falling in the polls" would seem to be mathematically impossible.

 

[Wrong Element]

I'd like to know if anyone is planning on running that I'd be interested in voting FOR, rather than a body I'd select to place a vote against DonDon.

Honestly, it's still pretty early in the campaign (over 5 months till any votes are cast). Hopefully that will sort itself out. I'm paying attention to an extent, but most of them will be disappeared by the time of the relevant election for me (the Ohio primary), so I'm not obsessed with the little distinctions of policy between all of them right now.

But I'm fine with making a compromise vote for president if need be. It's an imperfect world, and I don't expect to fall in love with a politician.

 

[jaF0]

Wish I could FrankenPick one. A lot of good ideas mixed with bad ones. Even a few (scarce and far between) ones from DonDon that almost make sense, if done in a less hateful way.

 

[Dumpington]

Wrong Element writes: "'Everyone is falling in the polls' would seem to be mathematically impossible."

Yes, the total % of those top seven Democratic Party front-runners is currently at 77.8%, leaving the remaining 16 presidential candidates splitting up the 22.2% leftover. Each of those nobodies has approximately one-percent support or less.

"But I'm fine with making a compromise vote for president if need be. It's an imperfect world, and I don't expect to fall in love with a politician."

If Bernie once again feels like he's been screwed over by the Democratic Party's establishment (see: 2016) he may not take it so quietly this time around! Perhaps the Independent U.S. Senator from Vermont will run as an Independent presidential candidate, just like he does back in his home state!

jaF0 muses: "Wish I could FrankenPick one."

SPOILER ALERT: the Democratic Party's official candidate going into November of 2020 is going to be "Gropin' Joe" Biden - he controls all of the levers of power and will edge out whomever emerges as his top challenger - and then he'll get landslided on election day by President Trump!

 

[JackLuis]

Elizabeth Warren WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE ... Oh, She Just Did!

So yesterday, at the Frank LaMere Native American Presidential Forum in Sioux City, Iowa, Warren apologized, without qualification, because that's what grownups do when they realize that a bit of family lore has larger implications. She sounded like someone who has learned a lot about what Native people think -- and like someone who's put forward the most serious agenda we've seen for addressing the US government's history of neglect and hostility toward indigenous Americans.

That, kids, is what a real apology looks like. No caveats or attempts to justify, just an acknowledgement of harm and an acceptance of responsibility, with an I'm sorry and I will do better.

"Like anyone who's been honest with themselves, I know I have made mistakes. I am sorry for harm I have caused. I have listened and I have learned a lot, and I am grateful for the many conversations that we've had together. It is a great honor to be able to partner with Indian county, and that's what I have tried to do as a senator, and that's what I promise to do as president of the United States."

 

[JKendallDane]

SPOILER ALERT: the Democratic Party's official candidate going into November of 2020 is going to be "Gropin' Joe" Biden

Dump, please keep using that juvenile nickname slur in all your posts. Like a Batman signal flashing in the skies, every time you do, it reminds everyone of the words of 45 that are already being written into the history books:

"I moved on her like a bitch! Don't even ask. Just grab 'em by the pussy!"

I'm guessing comprehending unintended irony may not be your strong suit.

.

 

[Dumpington]

JKendallDane writes: "Dump, please keep using that juvenile nickname slur in all your posts."

Do you mean "Gropin' Joe?" Yes, I'm sure I will continue using that moniker to describe him! Joe Biden is a GROPER who doesn't seemingly know how to keep his hands to himself! But, with the advent of the "Me, Too" movement, that kind of behavior is far less acceptable than it once was!

"Like a Batman signal flashing in the skies, every time you do, it reminds everyone of the words of 45 that are already being written into the history books: 'I moved on her like a bitch! Don't even ask. Just grab 'em by the pussy!'"

Yeah, I remember - they released that whole "grab 'em by the pussy" audio-clip right on the EVE of the 2020 presidential election - did it hurt Trump? Yes, I'm quite sure it did! But did he STILL win? YES - he most certainly did!

"I'm guessing comprehending unintended irony may not be your strong suit."

You've got THREE different infractions here, J-Kendall - let's break 'em down and you can tell me which one is worse:

1) A president of the United States has oral sex with a young intern INSIDE the oval office of the White House, and later lies about it under oath!

2) A vice president of the U.S. in actually seen on video groping and caressing women who are NOT his wife - and an hispanic woman running for the office of Lt. Governor in the state of Nevada (as a Democrat) complains that the V.P. was inappropriately touching her and sniffing her hair before a speech!

3) A wealthy celebrity who isn't yet running for anything TALKS ABOUT inappropriately touching women who want to be with him or near him, because it seems that a lot of women out there like being around celebrity-billionaires.

Yes, all three are not good, yet in one case (example #1) the president's supporters defended his behavior in the White House by saying that if his wife was OK with it then it's none of our business, and also that everybody lies under oath about sex! In the next case (example #2), the man currently leading in the Democratic Party's nomination fight has ALWAYS behaved like that - it's just "Joe being Joe!" And in the third case (example #3), the voters seem to believe that despite his past behaviors, Donald Trump is doing a pretty amazing job right now as president!

 

[YDB95]

Yes, all three are not good, yet in one case (example #1) the president's supporters defended his behavior in the White House by saying that if his wife was OK with it then it's none of our business, and also that everybody lies under oath about sex!

Exactly who said that, Dump? I was living in DC and working full time in politics in 1998-99, and I never heard anyone say that. (I heard a LOT of people like you accuse others of saying it, but that's something else entirely.)

Now, what a lot of us DID say was 1) it was a private failing, 2) it was Hillary's business whether or not she wanted to forgive him, and 3) let the punishment fit the crime. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you sincerely believed that was exactly the same as what you claim people said. But, well, it isn't. Not even close.

And in the third case (example #3), the voters seem to believe that despite his past behaviors, Donald Trump is doing a pretty amazing job right now as president!

Which is why he's been underwater in the polls throughout nearly all of his term. Right.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Exactly who said that, Dump? I was living in DC and working full time in politics in 1998-99, and I never heard anyone say that."

Bill Clinton's defenders were saying ALL KINDS of weird things in his defense, YDB95! I remember Democrats (and their media allies) actually bringing-up the 1996 funeral of French President Francois Mitterrand, because both Mitterrand's wife AND his mistress attended it together - with the libs asking WHY can't we prudish Americans be more like the Europeans, allowing our President Clinton to have both a wife AND a 22-year old mistress in the White House?

And then there was Time magazine White House correspondent Nina Burleigh actually telling a Washington Post interviewer that SHE would give President Clinton oral sex "just to thank him for keeping abortion legal." In other words, any president who supports abortion-rights can do NO WRONG in the eyes of the liberal-left! (Harvey Weinstein eventually ruined THAT adage!)

"Which is why he's been underwater in the polls throughout nearly all of his term. Right."

Donald Trump's numbers were "underwater in the polls" throughout all of 2016 - and yet he STILL won the presidential election that same year!

 

[Dumpington]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ - New polling numbers released today from RealClearPolitics.com:

28.8% - Joe Biden - ("Gropin Joe" maintains his double-digit lead over the competition!)

16.0 - Bernie Sanders - (The other old white liberal guy moves back into 2nd-place!)

15.4 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz drops down a notch, back into 3rd-place!)

7.4 - Kamala Harris - (The Democrat establishment blames Tulsi for Kamala's collapse!)

5.0 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete remains in 5th-place.)

3.0 - Francis O'Rourke - ("Beto" holds onto his dismal 6th-place showing!)

2.2 - Cory Booker - (And it's Cory still firmly locked into 7th-place!)

And yes, the remaining sixteen candidates share the remaining 22.2% of those polled, along with "Other" and "None of the Above!"

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Exactly who said that, Dump? I was living in DC and working full time in politics in 1998-99, and I never heard anyone say that."

Bill Clinton's defenders were saying ALL KINDS of weird things in his defense, YDB95!

And yet you can't point to a single example of them saying what you claimed they said.

I remember Democrats (and their media allies) actually bringing-up the 1996 funeral of French President Francois Mitterrand, because both Mitterrand's wife AND his mistress attended it together - with the libs asking WHY can't we prudish Americans be more like the Europeans, allowing our President Clinton to have both a wife AND a 22-year old mistress in the White House?

I remember that, too. But that's not what you said.

And then there was Time magazine White House correspondent Nina Burleigh actually telling a Washington Post interviewer that SHE would give President Clinton oral sex "just to thank him for keeping abortion legal."

Sounds to me like a joke, albeit a bad one. But again, that's not what you claimed they said. And one distasteful comment is just that. It's not an entire political party saying, well, anything.

In other words, any president who supports abortion-rights can do NO WRONG in the eyes of the liberal-left! (Harvey Weinstein eventually ruined THAT adage!)

You'd better sit down for this, Dump.

Harvey Weinstein was never president. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

"Which is why he's been underwater in the polls throughout nearly all of his term. Right."

Donald Trump's numbers were "underwater in the polls" throughout all of 2016 - and yet he STILL won the presidential election that same year!

The final polls showed he had a small but real chance of winning. The current polls show no such thing. And he won't be running against someone weighed down with 25 years of slime from a cottage industry dedicated to destroying her this time, nor will the left have any complacency about voting. No matter how much you'd like to believe it, the conditions of 2016 will not be replicated next year under any circumstances.