Defining Moments

Death of Princess Diana - My sister came into my room and asked me whether the Princess of Wales was Princess Diana. I said, "Yes, of course it is," to which she responded, "Well, the radio's saying that the Princess of Wales has died in a car crash." I reverted to exactly the same reaction as her by saying, "Oh, well maybe she isn't the Princess of Wales then." I didn't like her at all, but it seemed quite impossible that she'd be dead.

John Major winning an election no-one thought he would. I was only young and vaguely understood left and right in politics, so the first question I asked my parents was whether we'd've become Communists if the left wing party had got in.

Tony Blair getting in power.

The 1995 Rugby World Cup. The hosts South Africa winning, with a black player in the lineup and Springbok captain Francois Pienaar lifting a trophy presented to him by Nelson Mandela.

September 11th, obviously.

Nick Duncombe's death - I'll bet I'm the only person on the board who knows who Nick Duncombe was. He was a bright, talented young rugby player, just on the edge of breaking into the full England side. He had a brilliant future ahead of him. I picked him in my "If I were England coach" squads. Then, suddenly, he died of blood poisoning, over the space of a couple of hours. The first thing I knew about it was reading a report on a website, telling me that this fantasy figure had suddenly become really very real. He was two years older than me and had his future mapped out for him. And he was dead. That hit me so hard. If I had a time-machine, the first thing I'd do would be to go back in time and tell him to get to a hospital that morning.

July 7th, obviously.


Better memories: My first rugby match that I watched on television, England vs Scotland. I literally went to see what my dad was making all the noise about. Craig Chalmers kicked a drop goal to bring Scotland back within range and England went right down the other end and kicked one of their own.

Euro 96 - England's brilliant run to the semi-finals. The nation uniting as one.

England rugby in 1997 - startling the superior All Blacks with a 26-26 draw that seemed to come from nowhere.

England rugby in 2003 - Genuinely the best side in the world, beating all comers in every test before finishing up winning the world cup.

England cricket in 2005 - Freddie Flintoff crowing like Peter Pan after having removed Michael Clarke's off stump with a peach of an inswinger.


Odd how all of my defining good moments are sporting-based.

The Earl
 
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For me, it would be:

the assassination of JFK

the Viet Nam War--fought every bit as much at home as in Viet Nam

the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy, in such quick succession, with each convincing millions of that "working within the system" was hopeless

1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago

Woodstock

Kent State

Watergate/impeachment, giving hope that maybe the system could work

Munich Olympic Games

The Challenger Explosion, somehow much more unexpected than Columbia

9/11, and its disastrous aftermath
 
Hmm... in no particular order:

The murders of Indira Gandhi, Olof Palme and Shimon Peres, the Tianamen massacre, the explosions of Lockerbie, Challenger, 9/11 and Oklahoma, the first Iraq war, the devastation of Dubvrovnik, the genocide in Rwanda, the Estonia disaster, the tsunami, Chernobyl, the release of Mandela, the fall of the Berlin wall, the orange revolution in Ukraine, the "dog parade" protests in Belgrad, the end on the Pinochet reign...

...damn, there's a lot happening in the world, isn't there?
 
We Didn't Start the Fire...Billy Joel

Harry Truman, Doris Day
Red China, Johnny Ray,South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon,
Studebaker, Television, North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom, Brando, The King and I
And The Catcher In The Rye

Eisenhower, Vaccine
England's got a new Queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye.

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Joseph Stalin, Malenkov,
Nasser and Prokofiev, Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron, Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock

Einstein, James Dean,
Brooklyn's got a winning team, Davy Crockett, Peter Pan
Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest
Alabama, Khrushchev

Princess Grace
Peyton Place
Trouble in the Suez

(Chorus)

Little Rock, Pasternak,
Mickey Mantle, Kerouac, Sputnik, Chou En-Lai,
Bridge On The River Kwai

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle,
California baseball, Starkweather homicides,
Children of Thalidomide

Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia, Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U2, Syngman Rhee
payola and Kennedy

Chubby Checker, Psycho,
Belgians in the Congo

(Chorus)

Hemingway, Eichman
Stranger in a Strange Land, Dylan
Berlin
Bay of Pigs invasion

Lawrence of Arabia
British Beatlemania, Ole Miss, John Glenn
Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X
British Politician sex. JFK blown away. What else do I have to say?

(Chorus)

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh
Richard Nixon back again. Moonshot, Woodstock
, Watergate, Punk Rock, Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline,
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, Heavy Metal, suicide, Foreign debts,
Homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz, Hypodermics on the shores,
China's under martial law, Rock and Roller Cola Wars. I can't take it anymore!
 
The first time a girl looked up at me and, in a voice that was a combination of disappointment, incredulity, and contempt, said, "Is that as big as it gets?"

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
That I actually remember

Me: "What's that?"
Dad: "It's called a sattelite, it goes round and round the world."

Me: "Who was he?"
Uncle: "A very good American who somebody shot."

My brother: "Who are they collecting for?" (On tv several people staggering under the weight of a large blanket filled with coins by the watching football crowd.)
Me: "It's for Aberfan."

Me: silence
My dad: silence
Both squinting at blurry black and white pictures from the moon.
 
impressive said:

Since I am working on a story about those impactual things, they are actually here with me right now ... political and newsworthy ones?

Patti Hearst - I don't recall much about the news when she was kidnapped, I was too young, but I do recall the liberation army and all that because somehow it interrupted whatever it was I wanted to watch on TV - everyone was talking about it, wanted to learn more and all I wanted was to watch my TV show, whatever it was. :rolleyes:

The release of Starwars - What can I say, it would forever influence me (I only saw it 12 times) and was instrumental in turning me into a closet trekkie. :catroar:

Elvis' death - but only because my mom's best friend could not stop wailing over it. I barely knew who he was other than the guy in the cheesy movies.

Spaceship Columbia. I think I was in school when that happened - either that or skipping class, I don't recall where I was, but it was certainly a tragedy that made me think a lot.

Tienanmen Square
The collapse of the Berlin Wall We have a piece of that wall :D - my bros was there when it happened.
The fall of communism in Russia

The return of both Hale Bopp and Haley's Comet have special and defining significance to me.

OJ is hard to forget and the only thing I was doing was exactly what everyone else was doing: sitting glued to the TV and trying to weigh the evidence ... objectively, of course. :D

Lady Diana's death, but for many different reasons than most feel.

Desert Storm - I was sitting on a porch freezing my ass off smoking a cigarette as bombs went off in the background, and wondering why the Americans were there.

9/11 - I was at work at the time, and crowds of people filtered into my office. It was the most surreal of all and one I had to deal with more head on than most average individuals, like myself.

The war on Terrorism, or was it just Iraq I was sitting on the deck, smoking a cigarette and finally understanding why the American government was there. :cool:

I think there are many impactual news moments and I think many of those are defining for some. I personally would not say that most of the things I have recounted are among my 'own' defining moments, but everything has an affect and an effect on the future course of our lives or POV - imo :)
 
CharleyH said:
Since I am working on a story about those impactual things, they are actually here with me right now ... political and newsworthy ones?

Patti Hearst - I don't recall much about the news when she was kidnapped, I was too young, but I do recall the liberation army and all that because somehow it interrupted whatever it was I wanted to watch on TV - everyone was talking about it, wanted to learn more and all I wanted was to watch my TV show, whatever it was. :rolleyes:

The release of Starwars - What can I say, it would forever influence me (I only saw it 12 times) and was instrumental in turning me into a closet trekkie. :catroar:

Elvis' death - but only because my mom's best friend could not stop wailing over it. I barely knew who he was other than the guy in the cheesy movies.

Spaceship Columbia. I think I was in school when that happened - either that or skipping class, I don't recall where I was, but it was certainly a tragedy that made me think a lot.

Tienanmen Square
The collapse of the Berlin Wall We have a piece of that wall :D - my bros was there when it happened.
The fall of communism in Russia

The return of both Hale Bopp and Haley's Comet have special and defining significance to me.

OJ is hard to forget and the only thing I was doing was exactly what everyone else was doing: sitting glued to the TV and trying to weigh the evidence ... objectively, of course. :D

Lady Diana's death, but for many different reasons than most feel.

Desert Storm - I was sitting on a porch freezing my ass off smoking a cigarette as bombs went off in the background, and wondering why the Americans were there.

9/11 - I was at work at the time, and crowds of people filtered into my office. It was the most surreal of all and one I had to deal with more head on than most average individuals, like myself.

The war on Terrorism, or was it just Iraq I was sitting on the deck, smoking a cigarette and finally understanding why the American government was there. :cool:

I think there are many impactual news moments and I think many of those are defining for some. I personally would not say that most of the things I have recounted are among my 'own' defining moments, but everything has an affect and an effect on the future course of our lives or POV - imo :)
You left out getting to know me. :rolleyes:
 
Oh damn!

I was hoping we could get through this without OJ being mentioned...guess I was wrong.

But at least I didn't bring it up...my god the hours I wasted watching that trial....LOL!
 
Tom Collins said:
Harry Truman, Doris Day
Red China, Johnny Ray,South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon,
Studebaker, Television, North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom, Brando, The King and I
And The Catcher In The Rye

Eisenhower, Vaccine
England's got a new Queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye.

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Joseph Stalin, Malenkov,
Nasser and Prokofiev, Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron, Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock

Einstein, James Dean,
Brooklyn's got a winning team, Davy Crockett, Peter Pan
Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest
Alabama, Khrushchev

Princess Grace
Peyton Place
Trouble in the Suez

(Chorus)

Little Rock, Pasternak,
Mickey Mantle, Kerouac, Sputnik, Chou En-Lai,
Bridge On The River Kwai

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle,
California baseball, Starkweather homicides,
Children of Thalidomide

Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia, Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U2, Syngman Rhee
payola and Kennedy

Chubby Checker, Psycho,
Belgians in the Congo

(Chorus)

Hemingway, Eichman
Stranger in a Strange Land, Dylan
Berlin
Bay of Pigs invasion

Lawrence of Arabia
British Beatlemania, Ole Miss, John Glenn
Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X
British Politician sex. JFK blown away. What else do I have to say?

(Chorus)

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh
Richard Nixon back again. Moonshot, Woodstock
, Watergate, Punk Rock, Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline,
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, Heavy Metal, suicide, Foreign debts,
Homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz, Hypodermics on the shores,
China's under martial law, Rock and Roller Cola Wars. I can't take it anymore!


Wow! :D
 
ABSTRUSE said:
You left out getting to know me. :rolleyes:

Well, I did not think my definitive moment of 'horror' was part of the initial question. ;)
 
ABSTRUSE said:
You left out getting to know me. :rolleyes:
Isn't that more of a "process" than a "moment"`? You know, with the usual stages; denial, anger, rationalisation, acceptance... ;)
 
impressive said:
... until Challenger
of the "public moments", I can only think of Challenger (I was in school, in the hall doing a makeup test when it was announced over the PA system)... I don't even have that clear a memory of what I was doing on 9-11-01... I was at work, but I have no dramatic recollections. I've never been very attuned to events in our culture. :eek:
 
I made a quick post in the "Magic Bullet" thread about some of the negative things I remember...the shock and horror things. I thought I would buck the trend here, and like TheEarl, present some of my very positive memorable moments that were in the "public domain"...although they might not be special to everybody.

POW's landing in the US after Vietnam...the families running to them, men fallling to their knees and kissing the ground. For that matter, if you want to see this "macho" he-man start crying just take me to where a Navy ship is docking and a man is holding his five month old daughter that he has never seen before...I'll weep unashamedly.

The 1980 US Hockey team was huge for me too...I was the perfect age, old enough to know how shocking it was, young enough to have no compunctions about making a fool out of myself.

In 1984, the baseball team I had always loved despite always being losers won a pennant and I went absolutely nuts with the rest of my city.

When the Berlin Wall came down I was in college. I was four or five years older then the rest of the dorms with the exception of one other guy my age. We sat in front of the television and laughed and drank and partied. Everyone knew it was special, but somehow the five years Tony and I had made a difference. To the others, it was a great moment. To us, it was completely unbelievable.
 
The day my parents told the rest of us that my youngest brother had gone deaf

The day my father's high school football team (he was the head coach) won the state championship

The first day of college and realizing that my dad was no where near to ensure that I was his "good lil girl" :devil:

Graduating with top honors and a Master's degree

The day my daughter was born

The first time I rode my Arabian gelding and realizing that no one else but me had ever been on his back ... amazing accomplishment and one I relive almost every day~
 
lilredjammies said:
TE, you've made me remember another one--the 1980 Winter Olympics, when the US won the gold in hockey.

Gawd, yes! I know EXACTLY where I was.
 
Tom Collins said:
Harry Truman, Doris Day
Red China, Johnny Ray,South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon,
Studebaker, Television, North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom, Brando, The King and I
And The Catcher In The Rye

Eisenhower, Vaccine
England's got a new Queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye.

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Joseph Stalin, Malenkov,
Nasser and Prokofiev, Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron, Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock

Einstein, James Dean,
Brooklyn's got a winning team, Davy Crockett, Peter Pan
Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest
Alabama, Khrushchev

Princess Grace
Peyton Place
Trouble in the Suez

(Chorus)

Little Rock, Pasternak,
Mickey Mantle, Kerouac, Sputnik, Chou En-Lai,
Bridge On The River Kwai

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle,
California baseball, Starkweather homicides,
Children of Thalidomide

Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia, Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U2, Syngman Rhee
payola and Kennedy

Chubby Checker, Psycho,
Belgians in the Congo

(Chorus)

Hemingway, Eichman
Stranger in a Strange Land, Dylan
Berlin
Bay of Pigs invasion

Lawrence of Arabia
British Beatlemania, Ole Miss, John Glenn
Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X
British Politician sex. JFK blown away. What else do I have to say?

(Chorus)

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh
Richard Nixon back again. Moonshot, Woodstock
, Watergate, Punk Rock, Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline,
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, Heavy Metal, suicide, Foreign debts,
Homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz, Hypodermics on the shores,
China's under martial law, Rock and Roller Cola Wars. I can't take it anymore!

I have always liked this Billy Joel song.

Mandela being freed. (I remember my grandmother calling me in tears saying "Baby girl see that see that there one more tiny step for our people")
The LA Riots... I just kept thinking gawds please stop... you don't know what you are doing.
The Berlin Wall Falling
The election of a Pope that affected millions of people (I watched with a historians eyes simply because it is not something that I believe in)
Columbine
Baby Jessica (thanks ABs)
Pam Smart
Waco
Oklahoma Bombings


Added today....
Israel declaring war on Lebanon
The world looking to India to see if they would join into the fight
 
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