**Daring to Learn about BDSM..**

[~Dream~]

When I first came to this Forum,several months ago,alot of people here ,didnt care to hear what I had to say,or to answer the questions I had as a "newbie' to BDSM/D/S.
More importantly,ALOT of people did.It is for them,My TRUE friends (the 15 pm's I received),that I shall be returning here much sooner than I thought I would.Why let a few"bad apples" spoil the whole bunch?, my Gram always said.

If I search Hard enough,I am certain that I can find something "nice" to say about everyone-"dissing'is such a waste of my precious valuable time.
Suffice it to say,that a few posters here DONT like me(oh well),that's THEIR loss(JMHO)as I have a desire to please ONLY Artful and Not the people on this Forum or any other.
I am a loyal,true friend to those who care to have me as their friend,(example Rose,Des,Sierra,Yuppie,and there are plenty more(thank Allah)..
The true point here is that I AM back,Love me,or Hate me,I truly WONT let it get me down anymore,I promise..Until and when Laurel,or Manu(the TRUE owners of Lit) ask me to leave,I am here to learn,to educate myself (as I have every right to) and hopefully by my own personal experiences,to help others also new to BDSM out also..

My Master Artful's methods of "training' me are BEST for me and BEST to Him-that's what I KNOW..My new resolve will be to treat Dom/mes and subs with the SAME respect that they show unto me.I have apologized for my past actions till I am BLUE in the face and I will NOT have them thrown in my face anymore-instead they will flow off my back as water does on a duck..

As long as Master Artful accepts me as submissive to His will,thats ALL that really matters to me,not anyone else's opinion on whether I am indeed "submissive " or not.
Lance,I WILL be posting at your thread,as I gave my word and I am a woman who keeps her word-it's called "integrity".
If I have angered,upset,annoyed,exasperated,or even "alarmed' anyone in my past posts I am truly sorry as that is NOT my intention at all,I assure you,It is noone else's responsibility but my own or my Master's to look out after me as I am a Big Girl",however I WILL be "watching and learning"-hopefully those of you who are "more experienced in this lifestyle"will set a good example for me-we shall see..as I give you yet another chance to do so I also hope you give me the same chance to start fresh and anew..
I am here cause I DO DARE to learn more about BDSM.."I am here to learn and share in conversations of Bdsm from the knowledge of my own reality" hmmm where did I hear that before?I may indeed have "simplistic and rudimentary" views on D/S and BDSM,however,they are MY views nonetheless and I OWN THEM...doesnt mean they are 'wrong either" JMHO.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Rock on, dream doll. ;-) As I keep reading here, everyone's views are welcome.

Rose

 

[SexyChele]

I wonder if this means that the comments you have made on the "Midwesterners" thread in the "Playground" will be edited now? Or do they still stand?

 

[~Dream~]

tsk tsk dear Chele..

I wonder if this means that the comments you have made on the "Midwesterners" thread in the "Playground" will be edited now? Or do they still stand?

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trying to "incite" me will NOT work my dear friend he he yes as a HUMAN I am entitled to post MY views wherever I so choose and it makes me terribly HAPPY that you care enuf for me to follow my posts .. thanks so much but my posts WILL stand as my opinion can be changed as my heart is NOT cold.. thanks again hun.. peace

 

[~Dream~]

Rose...

Rock on, dream doll. ;-) As I keep reading here, everyone's views are welcome.

Rose

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^5's Sis got nothin but love for you!! hehe (giggles) ~

 

[cymbidia]

Dream honey, you go ahead and learn. Good for you.

I have some advice:

1. Try to post in a way that's at least a little bit logical. Most of the time, most of us can't understand what the fuck your point is--or where it is in middle of all the apparently meaningless drivel that's surrounding it--or if you even have a point.

2. If you don't want to be treated like an addled child, then don't act like one. Leave your childish foot-stomping theatrics at home.

3. Remember: we're not here to train you. That's Artful's job. We're here to post and talk about BDSM as it relates to our lives. Most of us could give a flying fuck whether you agree with our thoughts or not.

4. As you keep pointing out, you're new to this. Many of us aren't. While our version of this is specific to us, individually, we have alot in common, those of us who've been there-done and/or thought a lot about BDSM. If you keep playing your little chat room games and you'll miss out on what we have to say, those of us who have the experience you say you want as well as those of us who've thought deeply into this even if we don't have the experience.

5. Know this: Most of us don't give a rat's ass who you like and who you don't like, who you consider REAL friends and who who think are not "sweetys" or your "sis". We're not here to build forts with you and and lob water balloons at those meanies over there, the ones who won't play kissy games with you. We're not here to share 's and x12's with you, either.

6. Your posts are so badly composed, so lacking in even basic punctuation, that many of us can't make much sense out of them. In all honesty, my 14 year old daughter could write rings around you---back when she was 10. You might want to work on your written communication skills a bit, dream, since this place is one in which we're judged, partially, on the way in which we express ourselves via written language. I'm talking the basics, here, things like periods, commas, paragraphs, complete sentences, the absence of run-on sentences, and accepted rules of capitalization.

We're here to grow and learn as adults, as dominants and submissives. This isn't a chat room where everyone kisses everyone else as they arrive and leave. It doesn't mean anything to any of us what you claim about yourself. Talk is cheap. What matters is how you contribute to the place as a whole and what you have to share.

You want to learn, fine.
Come sit at the adults table and act like an adult.
Otherwise don't be surprised that very few here take you seriously.




Edited for grammar mistakes; i really should always spell/grammar check before i post but, well, i don't.
(Now this is funny! You gotta admit it! )

Edited to add more: I lost the subbies pool as to when you'd be back, dream. I guessed 48 hours.

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Dream..................

As a fellow "newbie" to both Lit and BDSM, I feel this is a wonderful place to explore the ideas of D/s. Since first lurking here a few months ago, my perception of what a sub is, and how one is to act in accordance to their Dom/Domme have changed considerably. I feel I now have a good foundation to build my submission to MY-Sir on. I understand what is expected in a D/s relationship better, and how the power I give to MY-Sir gives HIM a high as well. Admittedly not all of my knowledge is from Lit, HE and I also discuss ideas. But many of our discussions are based on ideas expressed here. I am open to learning from all who wish to share their knowledge. Thus helping me to achieve my goal of being that sub who satisfies MY-Sir's every fantasy.

OMG!!! I'm tardy for class! Hmmm, wonder if I'll be punished


-kym-

 

[~Dream~]

Cymbidia...

I have been asked almost even begged by a VERY good friend of mine to not post to You at all cause quite frankly ,your post speaks for itself,

Gotta love you,and I do ..in my OWN way as a fellow human being.. You have made alot of valid points.. I gotta respect that..geez ,sometimes I just dont know if I'm coming (or is that Cumming) lol checked for spelling ) or going ..
see I have this certain little problem called bi-polar illness and I have a neurological disorder which causes me to not be able to accurately or completely type as "nice": and as awesome as you do hun,sorry really I sincerely am..even at college they give me "special help" for it..

As for your post Cym,I still highly respect your right to post as you feel,however since this IS America ,I retain my right to Not agree with what you said about me OR my views..so in essence as adults,we have agreed to disagree,I realize that sometimes it's just best to STAY "submissive"..and I am hoping that I make my Master proud ,as deep inside myself ,I feel really really GOOD..

peace unto you & your family Cymbidia..


Edited to add: so sorry you lot the pool,but hey? I 've got $5 towards it if that'll help? and also (hugggs) to Cymbidia cuz I think she needs some,at least I know I feel better now

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Dream..................

As a fellow "newbie" to both Lit and BDSM, I feel this is a wonderful place to explore the ideas of D/s. Since first lurking here a few months ago, my perception of what a sub is, and how one is to act in accordance to their Dom/Domme have changed considerably. I feel I now have a good foundation to build my submission to MY-Sir on. I understand what is expected in a D/s relationship better, and how the power I give to MY-Sir gives HIM a high as well. Admittedly not all of my knowledge is from Lit, HE and I also discuss ideas. But many of our discussions are based on ideas expressed here. I am open to learning from all who wish to share their knowledge. Thus helping me to achieve my goal of being that sub who satisfies MY-Sir's every fantasy.

OMG!!! I'm tardy for class! Hmmm, wonder if I'll be punished


-kym-

alright -k,
just why are you late missy? you had better have a good excuse!

Eb

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Re: Re: Dream..................

alright -k,
just why are you late missy? you had better have a good excuse!

Eb [/QUOTE

>>shuffles feet as hangs head<<
Ummm, wasn't watching time my M' Lady??? My dog ate my home work and I had to redo it???


-kym- in really deep do do here

 

[~Dream~]

Re: Dream..................

As a fellow "newbie" to both Lit and BDSM, I feel this is a wonderful place to explore the ideas of D/s. Since first lurking here a few months ago, my perception of what a sub is, and how one is to act in accordance to their Dom/Domme have changed considerably. I feel I now have a good foundation to build my submission to MY-Sir on. I understand what is expected in a D/s relationship better, and how the power I give to MY-Sir gives HIM a high as well. Admittedly not all of my knowledge is from Lit, HE and I also discuss ideas. But many of our discussions are based on ideas expressed here. I am open to learning from all who wish to share their knowledge. Thus helping me to achieve my goal of being that sub who satisfies MY-Sir's every fantasy.

OMG!!! I'm tardy for class! Hmmm, wonder if I'll be punished


-kym-

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you crack me up babe!! thanks very very much for your post maybe we can learn together? hmm? most of my ACCURATE knowledge comes from My Master undoubtedly however I try to remain open to new thoughts and ideas as you.. thanks again

 

[WillowPuss]

Dream,

I am glad you have come back here to learn. We are all learning all the time here. Even those with years and years of skin-to-skin experience learn from others.
We learn from others mistakes; from their points of view.

However, and please do not take this the wrong way - it is 'said' with kindness ... you keep saying you are a newbie. You were at this forum before I was. How long are you going to be a newbie?

OK - so your relationship with Artful is vaastly different from mine with Robuck. However - that said, whenever I have tried to answer one of your questions and say that this is done from my perspective, I get dismissed by you (and some of your friends) as having no value.

You say you wish to be treated in a respectful manner ... so do I. So do we all. Dismissing my/our views because they do not pertain to a LDR with a few hours skin-to-skin experience is being a little short-sighted, in my opinion.

I believe you are hoping to move down to be with Artful sometime in the coming year. Maybe once you are living with your Dom 24 hours a day, you will understand more where I/we come from.


I hope you take this in the manner it was intended - to help you - not hinder you.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Re: Dream..................

alright -k,
just why are you late missy? you had better have a good excuse!

Eb [/QUOTE

>>shuffles feet as hangs head<<
Ummm, wasn't watching time my M' Lady??? My dog ate my home work and I had to redo it???


-kym- in really deep do do here

Well, sit down and catch up on your posting. I will think of a suitable punishment, like being a serving wench in the Dom's lounge. That is punishment plenty believe me. They have been locked in there so long, the place is beginning to resemble the Dallas Cowboys locker room.

Eb

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Dream..................

Well, sit down and catch up on your posting. I will think of a suitable punishment, like being a serving wench in the Dom's lounge. That is punishment plenty believe me. They have been locked in there so long, the place is beginning to resemble the Dallas Cowboys locker room.

Eb

EWWWWW!!!

Does this include picking up sweaty jock straps???


-kym- DEFINITELY IN DEEP DO DO!

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dream..................

EWWWWW!!!

Does this include picking up sweaty jock straps???


-kym- DEFINITELY IN DEEP DO DO!

I don't think they wear them. Last I looked they were sittin' scratchin' and drinkin'

Eb

 

[WillowPuss]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dream..................

I don't think they wear them. Last I looked they were sittin' scratchin' and drinkin'

Eb

ewwwwww

I think that may be classed as TMI




(Eb ... only 15 now)

 

[~Dream~]

My Dear Willow..

QUOTE]Originally posted by WillowPuss
Dream,

I am glad you have come back here to learn. We are all learning all the time here. Even those with years and years of skin-to-skin experience learn from others.
We learn from others mistakes; from their points of view.

However, and please do not take this the wrong way - it is 'said' with kindness ... you keep saying you are a newbie. You were at this forum before I was. How long are you going to be a newbie?

OK - so your relationship with Artful is vaastly different from mine with Robuck. However - that said, whenever I have tried to answer one of your questions and say that this is done from my perspective, I get dismissed by you (and some of your friends) as having no value.

You say you wish to be treated in a respectful manner ... so do I. So do we all. Dismissing my/our views because they do not pertain to a LDR with a few hours skin-to-skin experience is being a little short-sighted, in my opinion.

I believe you are hoping to move down to be with Artful sometime in the coming year. Maybe once you are living with your Dom 24 hours a day, you will understand more where I/we come from.


I hope you take this in the manner it was intended - to help you - not hinder you. [/QUOTE]
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thank you ever so kindly for your post dear.
as to when I will quit believing I am a newbie" at BDSM well I guess THAT will have to be for Master and I TO DECIDE..
YES I will simply LOVE spending more& more time with Him ,it's where all my happiness lies..In His loving arms..after only spending 5 days and nites 24/7 with Him all I can possibly do is yearn for more!!
I believe I understand more than you think I do however I have already apologized for my wrongness regarding my post to you before (it was in Dixie's post) and being the gracious woman i think you are,I'm sure we are all over that ..
Just because I care to disagree with someone's opinions at this forum does NOT mean I am not listening orgetting value
from them ,so sorry if you took it that way..not intended by me..
as for what my FRIENDS do or say here,well I cant really be held accountable for another's actions now ,can I?
a few hours with my Dom and a few months really getting to know Him was ALL i needed ,to each His/her own sweety..

Your post is taken with the kindness it was intended with ,please take mine as such also... nope not hinderin me at all sweety ,takes ALOT more than posts to do that!lol

peace be unto you & yours sweety

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Dream...............

Sorry I was booted off the board and only now able to reply.


you crack me up babe!! thanks very very much for your post maybe we can learn together?

Aww stop!! You're gona make me blush....
Sure to your query about us being study pals. Two brains are better than the 1/2 of one I have!!

I get dismissed as having no value.

Dismissing my views because they do not pertain to a LDR with a few hours skin-to-skin experience .

Say it ain't so Willow! Well I never!! Humph!
>>>putting on serious face <<<
Willow, I respect your opinion and greatly enjoy reading your posts. You have so much more experience than I do. Granted, its different in a LDR than s/s. But the fundamentals are the same. BDSM is BDSM, whether s/s, LDR, cyber, or over the phone.
I respect all of the opinions that are offered here in the spirit of sharing knowledge. Please know that while we may be different because of our type of relationship; we are the same.
Respectfully yours-

-kym- >>>>Tossing off that serious face<<<< Lets play now!

 

[Trainerman]

Dream...............

Sorry I was booted off the board and only now able to reply.


you crack me up babe!! thanks very very much for your post maybe we can learn together?

Aww stop!! You're gona make me blush....
Sure to your query about us being study pals. Two brains are better than the 1/2 of one I have!!

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And Art can set homework...
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.
.
.
I will mark it, and hand out punishments as required (which of course will be often)

Deal everyone??

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Dream...............

Sorry I was booted off the board and only now able to reply.


you crack me up babe!! thanks very very much for your post maybe we can learn together?

Aww stop!! You're gona make me blush....
Sure to your query about us being study pals. Two brains are better than the 1/2 of one I have!!

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And Art can set homework...
.
.
.
.
I will mark it, and hand out punishments as required (which of course will be often)

Deal everyone??

WEEEHHHHOOOO! Sounds like a win,win situation to me. What about you Dream??

-kym-anticipating loads and loads of punishment!!

 

[monster666]

Re: Cymbidia...

I could be wrong, but I didn't think bi-polar affected typing ability unless bi-polar means you are the product of a bi-polar bear. Are bears that kinky? cym? You came up with the dolphin sex site, can ya help me out here?

see I have this certain little problem called bi-polar illness and I have a neurological disorder which causes me to not be able to accurately or completely type as "nice":

 

[cymbidia]

Re: Re: Cymbidia...

I could be wrong, but I didn't think bi-polar affected typing ability unless bi-polar means you are the product of a bi-polar bear. Are bears that kinky? cym? You came up with the dolphin sex site, can ya help me out here?

You know, monster, i don't have a clue about whether bears play bondage games but if you really gotta know how to play (~wink wink~) with your pet bear, well, here's a book that'll help you out, Dearest Pet: On Bestiality. You can buy it at your local Amazon outlet, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0860914623/002-7566322-1642411 .

Alternatively, there is a wolf penis shaped dildo for those who want all of the pleasure with none of the vet bills. It's not a bear but it is a wild animal: http://www.zoofur.com/ruffsr.html

 

[~Dream~]

Monster 666..

I could be wrong, but I didn't think bi-polar affected typing ability unless bi-polar means you are the product of a bi-polar bear. Are bears that kinky? cym? You came up with the dolphin sex site, can ya help me out here?

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aww how sweet!1 can I just give you a big ole bi-polar bear-hug then babe? hmmm? lol

seriously If you had taken the time dear Monster to read the WHOLE quote and NOT just part of it(to flame me with ha ha) that's ok i'm getting used to it!! lmfao.anyways you would've noticed ,being the highly intelligent man you are that I ALSO said I have a "neurological Disorder "and since I DIDNT specify "which one of the over 380 different ones there are ,then geez I guess you couldnt possibly KNOW that the one I was so kindly "blessed with impairs my motor skills sometimes and is absolutely Nothing to make fun of at all,but thats ok.. I still forgive ya when I see the two letters M.D. beside your name then I'll give you the credibility to discern why or why not my typing skills suck,as I also will to Cymbidia..

 

[monster666]

Re: Monster 666..

I don't miss many opportunities to twist something a bit and make a joke. I didn't mean to offend. I can do a lot better a job of flaming someone, if that's my intent.

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aww how sweet!1 can I just give you a big ole bi-polar bear-hug then babe? hmmm? lol

seriously If you had taken the time dear Monster to read the WHOLE quote and NOT just part of it(to flame me with ha ha) that's ok i'm getting used to it!! lmfao.anyways you would've noticed ,being the highly intelligent man you are that I ALSO said I have a "neurological Disorder "and since I DIDNT specify "which one of the over 380 different ones there are ,then geez I guess you couldnt possibly KNOW that the one I was so kindly "blessed with impairs my motor skills sometimes and is absolutely Nothing to make fun of at all,but thats ok.. I still forgive ya when I see the two letters M.D. beside your name then I'll give you the credibility to discern why or why not my typing skills suck,as I also will to Cymbidia..

 

[zipman]

<snip>
I am here to learn,to educate myself (as I have every right to) and hopefully by my own personal experiences,to help others also new to BDSM out also..

Dream,

You have repeatedly stated that you are here to learn. You make it sound as if people here are trying to deny you your right to learn. I have seen you dismiss advice repeatedly over the last few days from people who were trying to help you learn. Some of the most knowledgeable posters here have been giving you advice that you have outright dismissed.

<snip>
however I WILL be "watching and learning"-hopefully those of you who are "more experienced in this lifestyle"will set a good example for me-we shall see..as I give you yet another chance to do so I also hope you give me the same chance to start fresh and anew..

<Snip>

People more experienced in the lifestyle have set an example for you. You just choose not to see it. Subs like cymbida, SexyChele and WillowPuss have offered you advice. Dommes like Shadowsdream and Ebonyfire have offered you advice. Not only on BDSM, but on how to interact and learn here in this forum. These are people who took the time to post to you and offer you the benefit of their experience.

Such offers come don't come around that often. I think you might benefit from taking a less confrontational and dramatic tone here and really read their posts and try and understand what they are recommending.

Saying that you are giving us another chance to set a good example for you is bit ridiculous in my opinion.

A lot of people have set good examples and yet, you choose to:
1) ignore it by not answering the post directly, but using the post to proclaim how great Artful is (and I speak for myself as well as many others when I say that Artful is extremely well-thought of and respected by the members of this forum. This is not about him, but the way you use this forum to further conversation and understanding about BDSM).
2) dismiss it by becoming defensive and angry. You have made legitimate questions about what you have posted into attacks on you. Playing the martyr is not the way to learn.
3) minimalize it through sarcasm and faux friendliness. This is a great way to insult others, not to learn from them.

You can take all this for what it is worth. You just might want to think about it as you are rapidly decreasing the number of people who you choose to interact with, let alone the number of people who choose not to interact with you for the aforementioned reasons.

If you really are here to learn, the opportunity is there for you. If not, best wishes.

Zip