Cussing & Discussing Robert Heinlein's Works
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Virginia Heinlein
Well if Virginia was as strong an influence (and probable "model" for "Eunice Branca" - which I suspect she was) for "I Will Fear No Evil" then I also suspect that the possibilities of what either or both of them would do with a such self-described "slut" as you would be absolutely mind boggling. But Oh! What a lovely trip it would be, wouldn't you agree???
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Well if Virginia was as strong an influence (and probable "model" for "Eunice Branca" - which I suspect she was) for "I Will Fear No Evil" then I also suspect that the possibilities of what either or both of them would do with a such self-described "slut" as you would be absolutely mind boggling. But Oh! What a lovely trip it would be, wouldn't you agree???
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Imagine the "trip" I would have in a "Number of the Beast" scenario, where I could go into all the universes of fantsy and have wild, uninhibited, "slutty" sex with all my favorite fictional characters.
I could discover if Superman really is a "Man of Steel". I could find out what special weapon James Bond has in his trousers. (Especially if James looked like Sean - YUMMY). I could help Romeo keep Julie ET (as in eaten).
In fact I bet the Cowardly Lion wouldn't be at all cowardly if he had a chance at my little PUSSY!!!
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Imagine the "trip" I would have in a "Number of the Beast" scenario, where I could go into all the universes of fantsy and have wild, uninhibited, "slutty" sex with all my favorite fictional characters.
I could discover if Superman really is a "Man of Steel". I could find out what special weapon James Bond has in his trousers. (Especially if James looked like Sean - YUMMY). I could help Romeo keep Julie ET (as in eaten).
In fact I bet the Cowardly Lion wouldn't be at all cowardly if he had a chance at my little PUSSY!!!
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Heinlein's Aphorisms
From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.
"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as "empty," "meaningless," or "dishonest," and scorn to use them. No matter how "pure" their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work well at best."
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Hmmm... Well, I've done quite a few of those things in my lifetime, but never "conned a ship" and still have difficulty "solving equations" and, hopefully, I won't have to "die gallantly" any time soon...
"The more you love, the more you can love - and the more intensely you love. Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just."
"Masturbation is cheap, clean, convenient, and free of any possibility of wrongdoing - and you don't have to go home in the cold. But it's lonely."
"Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil."
"If tempted by something that fees "altruistic," examine your motives and root out the self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it."
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From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.
"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as "empty," "meaningless," or "dishonest," and scorn to use them. No matter how "pure" their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work well at best."
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Hmmm... Well, I've done quite a few of those things in my lifetime, but never "conned a ship" and still have difficulty "solving equations" and, hopefully, I won't have to "die gallantly" any time soon...
"The more you love, the more you can love - and the more intensely you love. Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just."
"Masturbation is cheap, clean, convenient, and free of any possibility of wrongdoing - and you don't have to go home in the cold. But it's lonely."
"Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil."
"If tempted by something that fees "altruistic," examine your motives and root out the self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it."
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Re: Re: Virginia Heinlein
I haven't read "Number of the Beast" in a long time, but I'm almost finished with "I Will Fear No Evil" (again), so that's next on my "must read again list". - Then I plan to tackle "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls". (btw, is "Pixle" the cat in that book??? It's been so long since I read it that I've forgotten...)
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I haven't read "Number of the Beast" in a long time, but I'm almost finished with "I Will Fear No Evil" (again), so that's next on my "must read again list". - Then I plan to tackle "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls". (btw, is "Pixle" the cat in that book??? It's been so long since I read it that I've forgotten...)
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A confession. As a boy of 10 to 12, Ozama, the ruler of Oz was my very first romantic and sexual dream girl. Those big eyes and gentle manners! I saw Dorthury as more free spirit blond girl. Yes, even at that age, I was turning into a lady killer!
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A confession. As a boy of 10 to 12, Ozama, the ruler of Oz was my very first romantic and sexual dream girl. Those big eyes and gentle manners! I saw Dorthury as more free spirit blond girl. Yes, even at that age, I was turning into a lady killer!
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Maybe you should do some art dealing with adult versions of childhood characters. I don't know if there is a market, but I find the idea fascinating. The sexual side of Mother Goose, the Brother's Grimm, Aesop's Fables, Oz, etc. could be very interesting.
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Maybe you should do some art dealing with adult versions of childhood characters. I don't know if there is a market, but I find the idea fascinating. The sexual side of Mother Goose, the Brother's Grimm, Aesop's Fables, Oz, etc. could be very interesting.
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Maybe I can based Ozma on you Honey Cum and Dorthuy on Ples. LOL
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Maybe I can based Ozma on you Honey Cum and Dorthuy on Ples. LOL
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That would be great. Although I always saw myself as Dorothy. In fact, in my mind I have created a very "adult" version of "Wizard of Oz".
It is amazing what my dirty mind can concieve. Doroty and Toto having some fun. Dorothy ravished by Munchkins. Dorothy and the Cowardly Lion. Dorothy oiling up the Tin Woodman. Dorothy getting something much harder than straw from the Scarecrow.
And then there are some very sexual ways of making the witch "melt". Perhaps I should write a new version. Is there an audience for such "adult" fantsy, based on childhood fantasy?
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That would be great. Although I always saw myself as Dorothy. In fact, in my mind I have created a very "adult" version of "Wizard of Oz".
It is amazing what my dirty mind can concieve. Doroty and Toto having some fun. Dorothy ravished by Munchkins. Dorothy and the Cowardly Lion. Dorothy oiling up the Tin Woodman. Dorothy getting something much harder than straw from the Scarecrow.
And then there are some very sexual ways of making the witch "melt". Perhaps I should write a new version. Is there an audience for such "adult" fantsy, based on childhood fantasy?
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Heinlein's Aphorisms
From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.
"The most preposterous notion that H. sapeins has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history."
"The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful."
Also promulgated almost exclusively by that same "least productive industry" that Heinlein referred to...
"The phrase "we (I) (you) simply must" - designates something that need not be done. "That goes without saying" is a red warning. "Of course" means you had best check it yourself. These small-change cliches and others like them, when read correctly, are reliable channel markers."
"Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy."
"Rub her feet."
"If you happen to be one of the fretful minority who can do creative work, never force the idea; you'll abort it if you do. Be patient and you'll give birth to it when the time is ripe. Learn to wait."
"Never crowd youngsters about their private affairs - sex especially. When they are growing up, they are nerve ends all over, and resent (quite properly) any invasion of their privacy. Oh, sure, they'll make mistakes - but that's their business, not yours. (You made your own mistakes, did you not?)"
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidy."
I know - that last one's a repeat... But I felt that it deserved double billing...
That's the last of Heinlein's observations in the "First Interlude" of the book. Now on to the "Second Interlude"...
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From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.
"The most preposterous notion that H. sapeins has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petualant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history."
"The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful."
Also promulgated almost exclusively by that same "least productive industry" that Heinlein referred to...
"The phrase "we (I) (you) simply must" - designates something that need not be done. "That goes without saying" is a red warning. "Of course" means you had best check it yourself. These small-change cliches and others like them, when read correctly, are reliable channel markers."
"Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy."
"Rub her feet."
"If you happen to be one of the fretful minority who can do creative work, never force the idea; you'll abort it if you do. Be patient and you'll give birth to it when the time is ripe. Learn to wait."
"Never crowd youngsters about their private affairs - sex especially. When they are growing up, they are nerve ends all over, and resent (quite properly) any invasion of their privacy. Oh, sure, they'll make mistakes - but that's their business, not yours. (You made your own mistakes, did you not?)"
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidy."
I know - that last one's a repeat... But I felt that it deserved double billing...
That's the last of Heinlein's observations in the "First Interlude" of the book. Now on to the "Second Interlude"...
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Honey Cum, what if we work together on this. You write and I do illustrations in style of all the Oz books after "Wizard"? Alan Moore, the greatest writer in comics media who ever lived, published "The Lost Girls" which described the sexual adventures of Doroty, Alice (of Wonderland) and Wendy (peter Pan) as adults who often have lez experiences together. Strangely erotic and alway literate as benfits Moore's style. He's a Brit you know. He also wrote Mircleman, Swamp Thing in 80's and is currently doing League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen which details how Mina of Draclua, Invisible man, mr. Hydra, Captian Nero, and Alan Quaterman as they seek a way to fight the War of the Worlds.
Don't forget about some possible gang bang from the flying monkeys
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Honey Cum, what if we work together on this. You write and I do illustrations in style of all the Oz books after "Wizard"? Alan Moore, the greatest writer in comics media who ever lived, published "The Lost Girls" which described the sexual adventures of Doroty, Alice (of Wonderland) and Wendy (peter Pan) as adults who often have lez experiences together. Strangely erotic and alway literate as benfits Moore's style. He's a Brit you know. He also wrote Mircleman, Swamp Thing in 80's and is currently doing League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen which details how Mina of Draclua, Invisible man, mr. Hydra, Captian Nero, and Alan Quaterman as they seek a way to fight the War of the Worlds.
Don't forget about some possible gang bang from the flying monkeys
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Re: Heinlein's Aphorisms
Thanks for sharing these, Sly. There is much wit and wisdom in the character and observations of Lazarus Long. But just how much of that wit and wisdom actually reflected the attitudes and opinions of Robert Heinlein? That is a question worthy of our consideration.
I have read opinions of "experts" that maintain Lazarus was only a character of Heinlein's creation. As such Heinlein created the personality and life view to match, even though the writer did not always agree with the ideas presented by the character.
I have read other opinions, from other "experts" that believe Lazarus was an idealized presentation of the mind and heart of Heinlien. Lazarus's thoughts, views and philosophies were Heinlein's thoughts, views, and philosophies.
I'm not totally convinced of either opinion. I beleive the truth is somewhere between these tow polarized points. Anybody else care to weigh in on the question?
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Thanks for sharing these, Sly. There is much wit and wisdom in the character and observations of Lazarus Long. But just how much of that wit and wisdom actually reflected the attitudes and opinions of Robert Heinlein? That is a question worthy of our consideration.
I have read opinions of "experts" that maintain Lazarus was only a character of Heinlein's creation. As such Heinlein created the personality and life view to match, even though the writer did not always agree with the ideas presented by the character.
I have read other opinions, from other "experts" that believe Lazarus was an idealized presentation of the mind and heart of Heinlien. Lazarus's thoughts, views and philosophies were Heinlein's thoughts, views, and philosophies.
I'm not totally convinced of either opinion. I beleive the truth is somewhere between these tow polarized points. Anybody else care to weigh in on the question?
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I like the idea of an illustrated adult novel. But it will probably be graduation (over 3 years) beofer I have adequate time to really write anything so detailed.
I do have a great beginning - Dorothy masturbating with her "Tornado" vibrator. Toto begins to lick up her pussy juices, hits her clit. She explodes in ecstacy. The force of her orgasm moves her to an alternate universe - OZ.
"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!"
I do like the suggestion of a gang-bang from the monkeys, too. And Sly's thoughts that Glenda and the Wizard must be invloved in some sexual activity, as well.
I am familiar with some of Alan Moore's work. Knew he was British. Have seen one issue of "Lost Girls". I really need to find the complete series. I think it is a comic to which I could relate.
sensualpilgrim said:Honey Cum, what if we work together on this. You write and I do illustrations in style of all the Oz books after "Wizard"? Alan Moore, the greatest writer in comics media who ever lived, published "The Lost Girls" which described the sexual adventures of Doroty, Alice (of Wonderland) and Wendy (peter Pan) as adults who often have lez experiences together. Strangely erotic and alway literate as benfits Moore's style. He's a Brit you know. He also wrote Mircleman, Swamp Thing in 80's and is currently doing League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen which details how Mina of Draclua, Invisible man, mr. Hydra, Captian Nero, and Alan Quaterman as they seek a way to fight the War of the Worlds.
Don't forget about some possible gang bang from the flying monkeys
I like the idea of an illustrated adult novel. But it will probably be graduation (over 3 years) beofer I have adequate time to really write anything so detailed.
I do have a great beginning - Dorothy masturbating with her "Tornado" vibrator. Toto begins to lick up her pussy juices, hits her clit. She explodes in ecstacy. The force of her orgasm moves her to an alternate universe - OZ.
"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto!"
I do like the suggestion of a gang-bang from the monkeys, too. And Sly's thoughts that Glenda and the Wizard must be invloved in some sexual activity, as well.
I am familiar with some of Alan Moore's work. Knew he was British. Have seen one issue of "Lost Girls". I really need to find the complete series. I think it is a comic to which I could relate.
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Honey Cum,
I laughed very hard at your beginning. It's perfect! But may I suggest having Dorotry daydreams about her aunt (a very youngful redhead aunt with a body to die for who Doroty have unrequited yearing for?) if we're going to do it, we should go get everybody into the act like Sawhorse with tall wooden didlo on his back, Tin Solider with a tine vibator instead of sward so that he can either do Dorotry's ass and pussy or better yet, fuck both Doroty and Ozma. Wicked Witches of east and West should be hot dominatixs in all leather and spikes and platform high heels. Field of Poppys (I'm surprised that the movie and book weren't banned by USA because of its clear drug-related connection to opium) in which the flowers would suck, fuck and lick Doroty to sleep from exhaustion. Have Ozma suck Lion's dick while getting banged by Tiger. Wonder if we might get Auntie and Uncle dropped into Oz toward end and getting all women having babies, like say, Ozma have a tiger cub, Dorotry have a straw baby and Auntie have a lion cub? We could end it with a biggest orgy in all the history of Oz. Hey let's have Dee Dee doing a camo in the story.
So you like Alan Moore too? Girl, is there anything we don't have in common? Beside being a woman and me, a typical male dickhead?
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Honey Cum,
I laughed very hard at your beginning. It's perfect! But may I suggest having Dorotry daydreams about her aunt (a very youngful redhead aunt with a body to die for who Doroty have unrequited yearing for?) if we're going to do it, we should go get everybody into the act like Sawhorse with tall wooden didlo on his back, Tin Solider with a tine vibator instead of sward so that he can either do Dorotry's ass and pussy or better yet, fuck both Doroty and Ozma. Wicked Witches of east and West should be hot dominatixs in all leather and spikes and platform high heels. Field of Poppys (I'm surprised that the movie and book weren't banned by USA because of its clear drug-related connection to opium) in which the flowers would suck, fuck and lick Doroty to sleep from exhaustion. Have Ozma suck Lion's dick while getting banged by Tiger. Wonder if we might get Auntie and Uncle dropped into Oz toward end and getting all women having babies, like say, Ozma have a tiger cub, Dorotry have a straw baby and Auntie have a lion cub? We could end it with a biggest orgy in all the history of Oz. Hey let's have Dee Dee doing a camo in the story.
So you like Alan Moore too? Girl, is there anything we don't have in common? Beside being a woman and me, a typical male dickhead?
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Pilgrim, shouldn't we save something for subsequent volumes? Even Baum didn't introduce all those characters in one book.
You are not a typical male dickhead! You are very atypical!
sensualpilgrim said:Honey Cum,
I laughed very hard at your beginning. It's perfect! But may I suggest having Dorotry daydreams about her aunt (a very youngful redhead aunt with a body to die for who Doroty have unrequited yearing for?) if we're going to do it, we should go get everybody into the act like Sawhorse with tall wooden didlo on his back, Tin Solider with a tine vibator instead of sward so that he can either do Dorotry's ass and pussy or better yet, fuck both Doroty and Ozma. Wicked Witches of east and West should be hot dominatixs in all leather and spikes and platform high heels. Field of Poppys (I'm surprised that the movie and book weren't banned by USA because of its clear drug-related connection to opium) in which the flowers would suck, fuck and lick Doroty to sleep from exhaustion. Have Ozma suck Lion's dick while getting banged by Tiger. Wonder if we might get Auntie and Uncle dropped into Oz toward end and getting all women having babies, like say, Ozma have a tiger cub, Dorotry have a straw baby and Auntie have a lion cub? We could end it with a biggest orgy in all the history of Oz. Hey let's have Dee Dee doing a camo in the story.
So you like Alan Moore too? Girl, is there anything we don't have in common? Beside being a woman and me, a typical male dickhead?
Pilgrim, shouldn't we save something for subsequent volumes? Even Baum didn't introduce all those characters in one book.
You are not a typical male dickhead! You are very atypical!
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And you, ma'am are atypical slut!
Ok, how this for the second volume? Pussies of OZ.
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And you, ma'am are atypical slut!
Ok, how this for the second volume? Pussies of OZ.
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Heinlein's Aphorisms - 2nd Intermission
From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.
"Always tell her she is beautiful, expecially if she is not."
"If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for... but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong."
"If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is you wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that a truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires."
"Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity."
"Those who refuse to support and defend a state have no claim to protection by that state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not be defined as "murder" in a legalistic sense. The offense against the state, if any, should be "Using deadly weapons inside city limits," or "Creating a traffic hazard," or "Endangering bystanders," or other misdemeanor."
"However, the state may reasonably place a closed season on these exotic asocial animals whenever they are in danger of becoming extinct. An authentic buck pacifist has rarely been seen off Earth, and it is doubtful that any have survived the trouble there... regrettable, as they had the biggest mouths and smallest brains of any of the primates."
"The small-mouthed variety of anachist has spread through the Galaxy at the very wave front of the Diaspora; there is no need to protect them. But they often shoot back."
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From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.
"Always tell her she is beautiful, expecially if she is not."
"If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for... but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong."
"If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is you wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that a truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires."
"Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity."
"Those who refuse to support and defend a state have no claim to protection by that state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not be defined as "murder" in a legalistic sense. The offense against the state, if any, should be "Using deadly weapons inside city limits," or "Creating a traffic hazard," or "Endangering bystanders," or other misdemeanor."
"However, the state may reasonably place a closed season on these exotic asocial animals whenever they are in danger of becoming extinct. An authentic buck pacifist has rarely been seen off Earth, and it is doubtful that any have survived the trouble there... regrettable, as they had the biggest mouths and smallest brains of any of the primates."
"The small-mouthed variety of anachist has spread through the Galaxy at the very wave front of the Diaspora; there is no need to protect them. But they often shoot back."
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I disagree with Long on the debt. Debt is like a hammer. It's not good or bad, it's in how you use it. Debt that is being used for productive activies or building assets in such a way that numbers make sense is good and add to a family and marriage's welbeing. Debt for things like golf clubs will cause problems.
For anachists, they don't want to be protected by the state anyway so as far as I can see, there's no need for conflict except that there will alway be people who want to control other people's property. It seem that in this Long is confusing anarchist with pacifist except when discussing the pionners with guns. Heinlein, on other hand, has described anarchy on moon in Moon is a Harsh Mistress. And just about every books he wrote have peple who disagree with the states even to point of killing cops (and many are not bad, just made the wrong choice of supporting unjst laws). One thing I can say is that Heinlein never believed in pacifism and I agreed wholeheartly!
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I disagree with Long on the debt. Debt is like a hammer. It's not good or bad, it's in how you use it. Debt that is being used for productive activies or building assets in such a way that numbers make sense is good and add to a family and marriage's welbeing. Debt for things like golf clubs will cause problems.
For anachists, they don't want to be protected by the state anyway so as far as I can see, there's no need for conflict except that there will alway be people who want to control other people's property. It seem that in this Long is confusing anarchist with pacifist except when discussing the pionners with guns. Heinlein, on other hand, has described anarchy on moon in Moon is a Harsh Mistress. And just about every books he wrote have peple who disagree with the states even to point of killing cops (and many are not bad, just made the wrong choice of supporting unjst laws). One thing I can say is that Heinlein never believed in pacifism and I agreed wholeheartly!
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Those NYC Places for Sex and Food
From Time Out NY 2/14/03
North Square
Casa La Femme's private tents ($55 per head)
Spread's "cave" at the Marcel Hotel
Those are the places which as far as I can figured out are the place where nobody bother couples having sex while eating!
From Time Out NY 2/14/03
North Square
Casa La Femme's private tents ($55 per head)
Spread's "cave" at the Marcel Hotel
Those are the places which as far as I can figured out are the place where nobody bother couples having sex while eating!
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