Cruising

[Missouribiguy]

I decided to cut out some of the fluff and ask you all a serious question.

With this public show (by which, I do think Senator Craig is gay, is ashamed of it, and trying poorly to hide it) of stupidity, I have to ask:

Do you think cruising gives people the wrong impression of gay/bi people? I think it does, cause it just solidifies the fact that many people view homosexuality as nothing more than a perversion.

Now, I should be honest. While I only cruise the chat rooms, i'm no better than the people who cruise in bathrooms (which, by the way, is ok for fantasy, but can be a nightmare in real life). I mean, at least, I would get to know the guy before I get fucked or suck his dick.

Sorry if you have done that, but it's my view.

 

[south_florida_bicur]

Here in Ft Lauderdale, Florida, the mayor recently said he wants the city of Ft Lauderdale to buy $250,000+ automated toilets for the beach because they would cut down on "homosexual sex."

He went on to say that he used the term 'homosexual' rather than 'gay' because, in his estimation, such people are "unhappy."

Jim Naugle also said in a brief speech "including an apology." At the event, he claimed that Broward County leads the nation in AIDS cases resulting from men having sex with men and suggested that the county reconsider whether to continue welcoming gay tourists.
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[noise]

I have cruised in bathrooms before but don't anymore as i too prefer meeting guys online first. I also found that the vast majority of guys in bathrooms were complete weridos so it was hard to find the right guys

 

[Missouribiguy]

Here in Ft Lauderdale, Florida, the mayor recently said he wants the city of Ft Lauderdale to buy $250,000+ automated toilets for the beach because they would cut down on "homosexual sex."

He went on to say that he used the term 'homosexual' rather than 'gay' because, in his estimation, such people are "unhappy."

Jim Naugle also said in a brief speech "including an apology." At the event, he claimed that Broward County leads the nation in AIDS cases resulting from men having sex with men and suggested that the county reconsider whether to continue welcoming gay tourists.
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I think he sounds like a complete asshole. He was on a O'Reilly factor a while back. Complete dickhead

I rather talk to someon on the Internet than go cruising for sex in a bathroom. Just doesn't sound clean to me in the first place.

Still, you can find weirdos on here as well.

 

[none2_none2]

I'm in a relationship now. In years past I had cruised parks & restrooms. I'm neither proud nor ashamed of it. It was simply how I dealt with being single, lonely, and horny.

People are quick to judge that somehow these methods of meeting sex partners is undesirable than meeting online or going to a bar or whatever. Lets get real. It is about sex. As long as it doesn't involve a non-consenting individual, and as long as your discreet about it, what is the difference?

When you meet people online for sex, you are not guaranteed of what you are getting into as some would lead you to believe. I've had people like about their age, what they look like, what they like to do, physical attributes, whatever. Sure, one could say that cams avoid that, but I've know of guys who are bait for someone else who really wants the sex. As to bars, I'll never understand why they are popular. What makes being in a place with lots of drinking, smoking, loud music somehow more legitimate for cruising for sex than out in nature?

People also claim that guys that go to parks or restrooms are closeted or weird -- basically this idea of them being sub par. I never found that to be the case. I saw the whole spectrum. I would also add that I made friends that way. I even had some very deep conversations before or after with some of the guys I encountered. When two people are together in person you have the real deal. You cannot adjust a cam to only show what you want to show and keep it impersonal by never really meeting, nor can you lurk in a dimly lit bar with a lot of loud music where no one can even hear what you are saying.

Sure in a perfect world if a guy wanted sex with another guy, you'd meet in church, work, school, or whereever and ask for a date and after a few dates you'd might consummate that bond with sex. However, we don't live in a perfect world. Gay lib or not, you can still get in a lot of trouble if you even hint at interest in someone who finds man2man sex wrong. It wasn't that too long ago, that we had stories like a man who killed another man for mentioning interest in him on a talk show.

I'm not condoning doing sex while the public sees it. Rather it amazes me that there are people who point the finger at others without examining their own behavior. You can be slutty or a nuisance in how you conduct your sex life regardless of the scenario.

I won't say I've never judged. In my mind, however, the main thing I find disgusting isn't where you met, but when there is a financial incentive. I had lots of sex over the years before I settled down, but not once did I ever pay for it or ask for payment. (Well one time, I did insist on a hamburger. It was because I was hungry and wanted to go home to get something to eat. The guy insisted on having sex, and I said not until I eat -- I didn't have my wallet with me.) Sex is fantastic, and 99.9% of people can do just fine engaging in it. Thus I don't believe in paying for it -- anymore than paying to breath the air around me.

I have heard that this senator is very anti-gay. From that stand point it is good that he got caught in a hypocrisy if that is the case. On the other hand, I feel sorry for this senator from the stand point that he will be judged inferior because it involved a person of the same sex. It wasn't that many years ago that park or restroom police sting operations would result in some guys committing suicide because the stigma of being outed.

 

[GaySage]

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[Raimondin]

I decided to cut out some of the fluff and ask you all a serious question.

With this public show (by which, I do think Senator Craig is gay, is ashamed of it, and trying poorly to hide it) of stupidity, I have to ask:

Do you think cruising gives people the wrong impression of gay/bi people? I think it does, cause it just solidifies the fact that many people view homosexuality as nothing more than a perversion.

Now, I should be honest. While I only cruise the chat rooms, i'm no better than the people who cruise in bathrooms (which, by the way, is ok for fantasy, but can be a nightmare in real life). I mean, at least, I would get to know the guy before I get fucked or suck his dick.

Sorry if you have done that, but it's my view.

Well, I find it funny that most of the these political figures that get caught with their "pants down" are usually Republicans, or TV evangelists. I've nothing against Republicans, and don't mean to step on anybody's political party, but they are the ones so vehemently opposed to anything Gay,same-sex marriage, etc.
TV evangelists have no shame to me, and they basically fleece their bretheren with "Jesus For Sale."

There's so much sexual hypocrisy and double standards up on Capitol Hill, I think they're created their own form of Sex, "Politicosexo!"

Cruising has been around since the beginning of time, and yeah, today some of it has gone from the public bathrooms to the Internet. Both have their own risks. But yeah, much safer in the privacy of your home computer, than risking getting the shit beat out of ya at the Greyhound Bus Station bathroom.

And as long as there are hypocrite closet cases like Senator Craig, will always perpetuate fear, hatred and ignorance toward Gay or GLBT people.

 

[south_florida_bicur]

I think he sounds like a complete asshole. He was on a O'Reilly factor a while back. Complete dickhead

yes, he is a complete dickhead. i am sorry if my next comment offends anyone but his comments are church related. Alot of the politics here in Florida are controlled by the church. The politicians are basically puppets!

I also agree with a none 2 none when he said

" Sure in a perfect world if a guy wanted sex with another guy, you'd meet in church, work, school, or whereever and ask for a date and after a few dates you'd might consummate that bond with sex"

A gay friend told me yrs ago "I didn't choose to be gay. Why would someone choose to be gay the way society treats them".

 

[Missouribiguy]

Sex in church? sounds a little icky to me.

 

[BEACHBONS]

I've limited my cruising to adult bookstore arcades. I think I understand the allure of quick anonymous sex. but, I can't understand restroom sex or public park sex where a minor could happen upon your activity at any moment. Imagine the charges if you were caught with a minor nearby. No thanks!

 

[Wolfman1982]

USA (the government) calls themselves a democracy, but anyone who lives in a more democracy like world frown upon USA as a democracy, and calls it a theocracy , a demockcracy , a backwards country which calls them selfs a democracy, and the likes. But if you look to some places in Europe then GLBTers are screwed there too (Poland for an example) Denmark in small ways, because of its Bush arselicking government and prime minister (and many other countries) . But there are light and postive points around here, Lone Dybkjær who is fighting for equal rights to GLBTers , in churches (meaning they can be married in a church too, instead of only a registered partnership at the local town hall). And alot of other stuff in that department, but still I feel the future is gloom when it comes us GLBTers, and our supporters, because of the homophobic powers. But thank goodness, that here around no one is deliberately beaten being arrested for either illegal prostitution (yup prostitution is legal here). Whether you are a man or a woman. Or for that matter gay cruising, but hate crimes are rising, and it is because of the Muslim invasion, that the hate crimes are rising, when it comes to the GLBT area. And that fucking sucks, and is one of the reasons, why I am in the closet.
But I could never live in a nation where they were so phobic when it came to people, like they are in the USA. So I am the extreme opposite here, since there are only two parties in America, then voting for the republicans, is in reality voting for the evil and not the good. So those who vote for the republican party in USA, and are a part of GLBT alliance (if I may call it that), those People I just don´t get. So if people are offended of that , then it is tough shit, and not tough love. Since in the offence chapter, I couldn´t really give a rats ass. But I think it is a scary world we live in.

The laws about public sex in Denmark are very laidback, with a few strokes to the illegal side of things, but compared to any US law on that subject. Then Denmark is like way more GLBT friendly.

 

[Raimondin]

USA (the government) calls themselves a democracy, but anyone who lives in a more democracy like world frown upon USA as a democracy, and calls it a theocracy , a demockcracy , a backwards country which calls them selfs a democracy, and the likes...

Or for that matter gay cruising, but hate crimes are rising, and it is because of the Muslim invasion, that the hate crimes are rising, when it comes to the GLBT area. And that fucking sucks, and is one of the reasons, why I am in the closet...

But I could never live in a nation where they were so phobic when it came to people, like they are in the USA. So I am the extreme opposite here, since there are only two parties in America, then voting for the republicans, is in reality voting for the evil and not the good. So those who vote for the republican party in USA, and are a part of GLBT alliance (if I may call it that), those People I just don´t get. So if people are offended of that , then it is tough shit, and not tough love. Since in the offence chapter, I couldn´t really give a rats ass. But I think it is a scary world we live in.

The laws about public sex in Denmark are very laidback, with a few strokes to the illegal side of things, but compared to any US law on that subject. Then Denmark is like way more GLBT friendly.

I understand your statement in regards to which country is better in it's liberal atmosphere vs. it's political. As I stated in my first post above re Republicans, I agree with you. But let's face it, no place in this world is completely immune or completely free from some type of sexual discrimination, violence, hatred, etc. against GLBT people.
I guess there's always a trade-off or a price to pay no matter what country.

True, the U.S. is far from being an ideal or perfect place for Gay people, GLBT people. But still much better than many other countries. But I always feel it could be worse.

And if I decide to "cruise," it's at my own risk.

Remember, there are countries in this day and age that still publicly torture, and even execute people for being Gay. Hell yeah! it's a scary world we live in. And maybe the U.S. might not have the same liberality as in Dennmark, I still have to count my blessings I live here.

 

[Wolfman1982]

I understand your statement in regards to which country is better in it's liberal atmosphere vs. it's political. As I stated in my first post above re Republicans, I agree with you. But let's face it, no place in this world is completely immune or completely free from some type of sexual discrimination, violence, hatred, etc. against GLBT people.
I guess there's always a trade-off or a price to pay no matter what country.

True, the U.S. is far from being an ideal or perfect place for Gay people, GLBT people. But still much better than many other countries. But I always feel it could be worse.

And if I decide to "cruise," it's at my own risk.

Remember, there are countries in this day and age that still publicly torture, and even execute people for being Gay. Hell yeah! it's a scary world we live in. And maybe the U.S. might not have the same liberality as in Denmark, I still have to count my blessings I live here.

Raimondin: you are a cool guy and I love the American people, when they can behave and when they are defending the right to gay, bi or transgendered. Without them being prosecuted or tortured. But if people can´t behave, then I don´t care if you are green yellow or purple . And gay cruising is well just like chick cruising in my mind. Looking for sex really, but why people beat other people up, is just beyond my understanding. And why simple things like being gay or bi can be so wrong to some people. Is to me out of my league , because I try to see things simple. Meaning normally a man who is gay. Is only into men, and that is it. So that means they make love to a man and all that. The same goes to the woman who are gay , they prefer woman over men normally. But the hostility about it, makes me pissed off, since to me, a crystal clear violation of the humans rights, are what is happening to the GLBT area in USA, and the death penalty too. It is beyond my comprehension . And it makes me sad, when people have go through so much suffering, just because "they don´t fit into the normal world". It isn´t only USA that is so extreme, but it is probably one of the most extreme in the democratic world, but Russia and Poland aren´t far behind in that score either(I could mention alot of other countries but right now I mentioned these two).
I just think it is sad, that religion has destroyed so much.

 

[Missouribiguy]

It's not religion's fault. It's the idiots who run the religion.

 

[none2_none2]

Raimondin: you are a cool guy and I love the American people, when they can behave and when they are defending the right to gay, bi or transgendered. Without them being prosecuted or tortured. But if people can´t behave, then I don´t care if you are green yellow or purple . And gay cruising is well just like chick cruising in my mind. Looking for sex really, but why people beat other people up, is just beyond my understanding. And why simple things like being gay or bi can be so wrong to some people. Is to me out of my league , because I try to see things simple. Meaning normally a man who is gay. Is only into men, and that is it. So that means they make love to a man and all that. The same goes to the woman who are gay , they prefer woman over men normally. But the hostility about it, makes me pissed off, since to me, a crystal clear violation of the humans rights, are what is happening to the GLBT area in USA, and the death penalty too. It is beyond my comprehension . And it makes me sad, when people have go through so much suffering, just because "they don´t fit into the normal world". It isn´t only USA that is so extreme, but it is probably one of the most extreme in the democratic world, but Russia and Poland aren´t far behind in that score either(I could mention alot of other countries but right now I mentioned these two).
I just think it is sad, that religion has destroyed so much.

I guess I don't understand where you are coming from. I think wherever you go in this world you will find intolerance at some level. The question is how much people are willing to ignore those things which they are uncomfortable with. I also don't think it is a function of liberal vs conservative minds. I live in an area that is more liberal than the rest of my state. While things may be better for gays here, there is a lot of intolerance on just about any topic. For instance, many here commute to the cities to make more money, and a good segment of the non-commuting community thinks we are outsiders and shoujld move. If I am still an outsider after living here for 27 years, then that tells you that there is plenty of intolerance in my "liberal" town. (FYI, this isn't an issue of sexual preference, race, etc as commuters blend in with everybody else.)

I would also say that I've been in other democratic countries, and I don't get the feeling that things really are that different. For instance, when I traveled to Europe, I was surprised by the number of swastikas in London that I saw. We also know from the news that even though western Europe is thought of as tolerant, there are challenges to that - such as having to worry whether something you say, draw, publish might offend the muslims in the same country or around the world. I don't know the last time the US ever protested over an insult to Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Uncle Sam, etc.

The bottom line to tolerance is 1 on 1 interactions. For instance, the fact that I have co-workers who are from southern Asia or eastern Asia I think is a plus. Granted I still have my concerns about islam from MY understandings of it. However, I do know that there are good muslims. So I have to judge them as indivduals. I think this applies whether you are talking about preference, race, religion, politics, etc.

 

[Wolfman1982]

none2_none2: eeeerhm Swastikas, were they on buildings, or as graffiti ?

Since I could probably find a ton of Graffiti swastikas here around too. But if it is on old buildings where the buildings are at least 100 years or more, then you are in a completely different ballgame. Since then it has NOTHING to do with Nazism at all. Heck even around in Copenhagen, I can find at least 5 swastikas without even thinking about it. Because they are a part of the old ornament on the buildings. But before I open my mouth, and "attacks" America, then I have taken a VERY close look on my own country, and seen the similarities, and the differences. And then I go after what I don´t get at all. Such as a 17 year old bisexual guy getting 22 years in jail. Because of a fucking consensual blowjob, or for that matter last year, a black guy got a big prison sentence, for a consensual blowjob from a consenting "minor". And I was again blasted out of my mind, and I was like "what the fuck is wrong with that country ?". That is why I am shocked every damn time, because many of the things happening over there, are in direct violation of the human rights. And "normally" Danes don´t do that. Except when politicians are involved with it. And in the end it comes out as the documentary called "Den Hemmelige Krig" (The Secret War ) I think you can even find English subtitles to it. And it is about Danish troops giving Afghan people (both innocent, and guilty) to American troops and sending them to Guantanamo Bay. And the Danish prime minister lying in the faces of all Danes, and says that Bush is upholding the Geneva convention and all that. And a lot of other insane freaky stuff.

So let us remove the religion part without any hints of Christianity or anything like that. And let us boil it down, it is all about behaviour against other people no matter what colour they have.

And why am I so shocked with the age thing ? because where I come from, there you can legally fuck, before you can drive. But where my mind goes nuts, is nations where you can drive a car, buy a gun. Before you can drink and fuck.

This site here can tell you what I mean.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

in Denmark the ages of consent are like this.

15, you can have all the consensual ass, and pussy you like (both sexes / genders by the way). But at the same time you can go to jail for your crimes.

16: then you can buy alcohol in a store, tobacco and buy porn legally.

18. Then you can get married with your parents consent and buy alcohol at bars and so forth, and you can vote. And you can do all the above too.

21. then you are rolling, you can do everything of the above, and now you don´t need your parents consent to be married.

But then again, USA is not Denmark, and probably will never be. For better or worse. But some things aren´t right over there. According to my point of view. And that my friend, is my honest bare boned cut into the bone opinion. So be cool friend

And I want to add , that Danes are assholes too, and can violate the human rights. Since Danes are not perfect at all. Since we are all humans on this planet, and we all need to live here.

 

[Missouribiguy]

What the Hell?

This isn't a "Denmark is better than America" thread. I don't even know why you brought it up. I'm just sick of reading it though. I started this thread about cruising and how it make people view gay people, not about Denmark being so perfect over the USA. Please, let's go back to the subject was about.

 

[Wolfman1982]

What the Hell?

This isn't a "Denmark is better than America" thread. I don't even know why you brought it up. I'm just sick of reading it though. I started this thread about cruising and how it make people view gay people, not about Denmark being so perfect over the USA. Please, let's go back to the subject was about.

Yes , let us get back to the main subject. And well Denmark isn´t better than USA. It is just a European country up north in Scandinavia where the whole population could live in NYC at least once. And my country is a fuckedup country too, on other points. And when I am attacking, then it is not out of anger and hatred. I am only "attacking" out of concern and love.