Creationism.

[fair_warning]

Now you are just making a bunch of shit up that isn't in there....

Now, you're talking about religion huh?

 

[Dendroaspis]

Hey were we in the same class?

Unless you live in Australia....no

 

[Dendroaspis]

If the New Testament is the "book" by which we should live our lives, please tell me who chose which gospels were included. The bible has 4...but there may have been as many as 170, including one by Judas.....the 4 we have now only became standardised in 367 AD. Seems to me that the bible is like a parliamentary enquiry...always know the outcome you want, before you produce the evidence to provide the outcome you want.

 

[fair_warning]

If the New Testament is the "book" by which we should live our lives, please tell me who chose which gospels were included. The bible has 4...but there may have been as many as 170, including one by Judas.....the 4 we have now only became standardised in 367 AD. Seems to me that the bible is like a parliamentary enquiry...always know the outcome you want, before you produce the evidence to provide the outcome you want.

Well, in an earlier post I likened all this chosing to a kind of smorgasbord - you pick the good bits and leave the rest behind.

Heavy on the prawns and light on the coleslaw....

 

[Dendroaspis]

So you can pick and choose what you want out of the bible........strange, you cannot do that with science, the evidence is there or it is not.....QED.

 

[fair_warning]

So you can pick and choose what you want out of the bible........strange, you cannot do that with science, the evidence is there or it is not.....QED.

Well, science is about evidence and the bible is about faith.
I'll stick with science.

 

[kbate]

I swear to science, one more bad pun and I'm putting both you and kbate on iggy!

I obey.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Now, you're talking about religion huh?

Just trying a language the Creationists seem to understand.

 

[colddiesel]

He might have been a Scottish bastard, but he wasn't all bad.

James I and VI executed a man who tried to populate America(Raleigh), he hated tobacco , he was a queer. There's at least 2 reasons why he wasn't all bad.

 

[colddiesel]

I had a wonderful Science teacher in the eighth grade who actually allowed a debate evolution vs creation.

/QUOTE]
My Smily added


Hey Try Harder. What do you think of the Wellhausen Hypothesis? I assume that you're thoroughly familiar with it.

 

[Tryharder62]

Unless you live in Australia....no

No, Not Australia but I have had the best time getting to know some people from there by talking on lit. If I had the money I really would make that the first place I would go to visit.

 

[Tryharder62]

I had a wonderful Science teacher in the eighth grade who actually allowed a debate evolution vs creation.

/QUOTE]
My Smily added


Hey Try Harder. What do you think of the Wellhausen Hypothesis? I assume that you're thoroughly familiar with it.

I am just going to warn you that Fair Warning is going to get on your butt for looking at anything that old. LOL.

My understanding is that Wellhausen believed that there were 4 source documents that were woven together to create what I believe Moses wrote under the direct inspiration of God. He make this hypothesis in 1876. Wellhausen's position on the place of the supernatural and divine revelation does not seem to be as cut-and-dried as it may be for his modern day followers. In his later 1880 Prolegomena he does not deny the existence of God, nor does he reject the claims of Old Testament Writers to having received the Word of God.

 

[CandiCame]

Not as "strange" as you being "afraid" to include "good and evil" there...

...because it's "the knowledge of...evil" which rots "the knowledge of...good".

It is written that the first man - not knowing evil at all - initially walked in the presence of the perfect God...

...but that after directly disobeying God's commandment and tasting evil for the first time, he separated himself from his Creator who cannot abide evil at all.

You are what you eat, boy...

Actually, it wasn't that they didn't do evil, it was that they didn't know the difference. They ate the fruit and suddenly felt guilty about shit. Adam was like, "Dude, my dick has been hanging out this entire time and nobody told me. What the fuck is that shit? I'm gonna make some clothes. Check this out. I call it a loincloth isn't it fabulous?"

And god was like, "...get the fuck out. Just... no."

Essentially that story was like an episode of project runway.

 

[CandiCame]

Also... the idea that the Christian god can't abide evil is just fucking retarded. The reason that I could never worship that god is because he is pretty evil. I've read that book cover to cover, and we're talking about a guy who banished folk to wander in the desert because their leader hit a rock. This is a deity who kills children, several times to prove a point. He killed Job's kids to win a bet. He killed children in Egypt to try and convince the Pharo to release the Hebrews, when if he had just smote the dude, the crown would have fallen to a 10-year-old who loved his uncle Moses and probably would have appointed him his chief adviser. Hell, the cornerstone of the religion is that he had his own child tortured to death! What the fuck are you people on? The cornerstone of your religion is a snuff film!

There are to many gods out there, to many peaceful religions where you can be 'god-loving' rather then 'god-fearing'. There are gods out there who don't think you should marry your rapist, who don't tell you that life is sacred and murder a sin, then a few chapters later tell you to kill every witch you see.

When god hands you lemons, you find a new god.

I suppose the point of this rant is just that religious people annoy me. I've read your book. I understand your religion. Having said that, I don't want my kids taught religion in schools. I'll deal with my kids morality. We don't live in a theocracy. This should not even be something that we have to deal with.

 

[Tryharder62]

I had a wonderful Science teacher in the eighth grade who actually allowed a debate evolution vs creation.

/QUOTE]
My Smily added


Hey Try Harder. What do you think of the Wellhausen Hypothesis? I assume that you're thoroughly familiar with it.

Just to add. I have defended my position for many years and those debating with me seem to use the words "I have studied this" to hopefully end the discussion. Like the creationist is just going to say "Oh, If you've studied it then that is that." I don't say what my momma would have, I simply remind them that I have been studying too. My momma would have said - so big fat hairy deal, what makes you think your shit don't stink? Miss ya momma.

I just think some view Christians as people that haven't opened a book including their own bible and are just in church singing, dancing and jumping pews. We're not. (Although at home I can do a mean imitation of John Travolta's character in HairSpray doing the moves from Saturday Night Fever.)

I have not discovered or read all that I want to in this lifetime. With regular life responsibilities and my mission to discover the truth that is phrodeaus, it is hard. I'm just glad that when it is all said and done I'll get to just ask him in person.

 

[eyer]

Now you are just making a bunch of shit up that isn't in there. It wasn't the tree of evil.

Never posted that "It" was "the tree of evil"...

...but you just did.

 

[Cade Is Here]

I count 17 SeanH alts in this thread !!!

 

[Oscuridad]

I obey.

How in the name of Zarquan do you make a Dalek voice sound hot and sultry?

*fans self*

 

[Oscuridad]

Seriously, if I found out that my child was being taught the myth of creation I would be damn fucking mad. Schools are in the business of educating children, not entertaining them with myths masquerading as facts. When a child is old enough to be discerning about the validity of information presented to them then that is the time for myths and fables.

If you don't agree with the science of evolution then that is a conscious choice you are making. Science is what it is, facts and figures and probabilities.

There is a funny irony in you being unconvinced of science's ability to accurately date fossils, but are happy to make that leap of faith to believe in God and the bible.
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Thank you for this.

I can almost not stop myself from laughing so hard! I think it is funny that I am intolerent because I welcome all viewpoints being discussed and you are not and would be fucking mad if your child learned anything but what was the popular view of the time. I think my kids are smart enough not to have information just shoved down their throat with no thought process behind it.

The thing is I am not anti-science. I think that someday science will bridge the gap between the two sides. GO SCIENCE!!!!

See I am not unconvinced that science will have the ability to accurately date fossils. It is just not right now. If I said the bible was 95% accurate people would jump on my ass so hard. But if you think that it is alright for carbon dating to be 95% accurate for current years and a guess for "millions' of years ago. Fine. What I do have a question about is who has the most faith. Your faith in science or my faith in the historical record of scripture.

Tolerance is overrated. Especially when you teach people things that may, at critical points, have them acting on false information.

Case in point: Global warming? Depleting natural resources? Nah... Don't worry. The Rapture'll be along soon and then the sinners can reap what they (we) sow.

Maybe not YOUR view point. But this is what can happen when the bible is seen as equal to or above science and evidence.

The Holy Bible is infallible as a source of all worthwhile knowledge. Knowledge found outside of the Good Book is interesting but inconsequential in the big picture. Therefore, 99.9% of science is hardly worth doing, studying or debating. Even if 100% correct it is neither important, useful nor crucial to the goal of an eternal life.

However, there is nothing that one can do but pray for the stubborn non-believers. Unless they change their ways they shall perish forever.

Most organic things are perishable, yes. It's only the nasty artificial plastic things (like religion) that last for far far too long.

 

[Oscuridad]

Oh you are so good. Got me on that one. Intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.

How do you think Intelligence compares to wisdom - which is the sum of learning through the ages.

Common "wisdom" says that vitamin C can prevent the common cold.

It also happens to be mistaken.

I wonder how old that particular nugget is...

 

[Oscuridad]

No, there is no 'evidence' in the bible.It is a collection of texts, written thousands of years ago that records some historical events within the context of the respective authors world view. The bible contains myriad examples of faith and belief in a God, but contains no evidence of the actual existence of a God.

You choose, as a result of your faith, to believe what is contained in the bible over any scientific explanation.

It may be worth pointing out that the Egyptians wrote a LOT about how the world works far earlier than the authors of the bible did. And in stone, no less.

One would think evidence of Osiris and the Duat would then outweigh the evidence of God and Heaven.

 

[phrodeau]

Common "wisdom" says that vitamin C can prevent the common cold.

It also happens to be mistaken.

I wonder how old that particular nugget is...

Vitamin C was isolated in 1907, and first proposed as an antiviral in 1948 by Fred R. Klenner.

 

[kbate]

Vitamin C was isolated in 1907, and first proposed as an antiviral in 1948 by Fred R. Klenner.

I am happy that you can use Google and wiki and I am certain O'dad is also happy for you.

 

[phrodeau]

I am happy that you can use Google and wiki and I am certain O'dad is also happy for you.

Google began in January 1996 as a research project by Larry Page and Sergey Brin when they were both PhD students at Stanford University in California.
Page and Brin originally nicknamed their new search engine "BackRub", because the system checked backlinks to estimate the importance of a site.
Eventually, they changed the name to Google. Originally, Google ran under the Stanford University website.
The domain name for Google was registered on September 15, 1997, and the company was incorporated on September 4, 1998. It was based in a friend's garage in Menlo Park, California.

 

[Oscuridad]

Vitamin C was isolated in 1907, and first proposed as an antiviral in 1948 by Fred R. Klenner.

So 64 years of bad wisdom.

Science has moved on. Wisdom has not.

Science wins.

I am happy that you can use Google and wiki and I am certain O'dad is also happy for you.

Ecstatic.

Please do the Dalek thing again.

Google began in January 1996 as a research project by Larry Page and Sergey Brin when they were both PhD students at Stanford University in California.
Page and Brin originally nicknamed their new search engine "BackRub", because the system checked backlinks to estimate the importance of a site.
Eventually, they changed the name to Google. Originally, Google ran under the Stanford University website.
The domain name for Google was registered on September 15, 1997, and the company was incorporated on September 4, 1998. It was based in a friend's garage in Menlo Park, California.

Now you're just showing off.