Creationism.

[Recidiva]

The Holy Bible is infallible as a source of all worthwhile knowledge. Knowledge found outside of the Good Book is interesting but inconsequential in the big picture. Therefore, 99.9% of science is hardly worth doing, studying or debating. Even if 100% correct it is neither important, useful nor crucial to the goal of an eternal life.

However, there is nothing that one can do but pray for the stubborn non-believers. Unless they change their ways they shall perish forever.

Some day we'll discover that electricity is caused by Cherubim.

 

[CandiCame]

Seriously, if I found out that my child was being taught the myth of creation I would be damn fucking mad. Schools are in the business of educating children, not entertaining them with myths masquerading as facts. When a child is old enough to be discerning about the validity of information presented to them then that is the time for myths and fables.

If you don't agree with the science of evolution then that is a conscious choice you are making. Science is what it is, facts and figures and probabilities.

There is a funny irony in you being unconvinced of science's ability to accurately date fossils, but are happy to make that leap of faith to believe in God and the bible.
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This is actually a big problem here in the south. People are just plain stupid. This poster is a fairly accurate representation of folk around here. We make Bill Nye cry. We are not offered a quality education, and then expected to go out into the world and compete with intelligent people in the workforce. It's such bullshit. Pretty much everything I have learned I learned on my own time. There were people in my AP classes who would not have passed at the normal level in a real school. "Intelligent Design" is not the only way that they get you. There's actually a whole fucking thing... There have been several studies done on the subject, most linking the SES of areas to the poor school systems within, but I never really bought that. I understand that schools are funded by local property taxes, but it is possible to be poor and not be stupid. It wouldn't cost anything extra to not waste class time talking about God. It wouldn't cost anything extra to not spend half the lecture time telling dumbasses to sit down and shut up and instead focus on the students who want to learn.

What we actually need is federally standardized lesson plans, like from Japan, so that if you fall behind in the curriculum, it's your own fucking fault. Then you, as the student, would take individual responsibility for your failure. If you move, you pick right back up where you left off. And Kentucky doesn't come out of high school knowing less then half what someone in New York knows.

 

[Sean]

America never ceases to amaze me. Try teaching that shit in a British science class and you'd be out of a job so fast it would make your head spin.

 

[phrodeau]

"In the whole of the Bible there is not a single statement praising intelligence." --- Osho

 

[Tryharder62]

"In the whole of the Bible there is not a single statement praising intelligence." --- Osho

Osho wasn't as enlightened as people thought.
2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue and virtue with knowledge.

Prov 1:1-33
Acts 13:7
Daniel 5:14
Phil. 1:9-11

Maybe he should have stuck with the sex guru stuff.

 

[Sean Renaud]

America never ceases to amaze me. Try teaching that shit in a British science class and you'd be out of a job so fast it would make your head spin.

Going fast doesn't make my head spin.

 

[cjh]

America never ceases to amaze me. Try teaching that shit in a British science class and you'd be out of a job so fast it would make your head spin.

That's because King James scared the high Calvinists into fleeing for New England.

Fucker.

 

[Sean]

That's because King James scared the high Calvinists into fleeing for New England.

Fucker.

He might have been a Scottish bastard, but he wasn't all bad.

 

[RjThoughts]

For those that believe America was founded as a "Christian" nation, remember that the Pilgrims/Puritans were so fucked up, they had to leave England. Now they have Page 3 girls, naked tits on the teli, and topless beaches while we have Pat Robertson, fines for a nipple slip at the Super Bowl, and "Blue" laws.

 

[hobbit.]

He might have been a Scottish bastard, but he wasn't all bad.

Eh? all jocks are unethical and an affront to humanity.

 

[phrodeau]

Osho wasn't as enlightened as people thought.
2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue and virtue with knowledge.

Prov 1:1-33
Acts 13:7
Daniel 5:14
Phil. 1:9-11

Maybe he should have stuck with the sex guru stuff.

Intelligence and knowledge are different things.

 

[fair_warning]

I can almost not stop myself from laughing so hard! I think it is funny that I am intolerent because I welcome all viewpoints being discussed and you are not and would be fucking mad if your child learned anything but what was the popular view of the time. I think my kids are smart enough not to have information just shoved down their throat with no thought process behind it.

The thing is I am not anti-science. I think that someday science will bridge the gap between the two sides. GO SCIENCE!!!!

See I am not unconvinced that science will have the ability to accurately date fossils. It is just not right now. If I said the bible was 95% accurate people would jump on my ass so hard. But if you think that it is alright for carbon dating to be 95% accurate for current years and a guess for "millions' of years ago. Fine. What I do have a question about is who has the most faith. Your faith in science or my faith in the historical record of scripture.

You have misunderstood me. I don’t think you are intolerant, not at all, almost the reverse, you have shown a great deal of tolerance towards those who strongly disagree with your opinions and beliefs.

Evolution isn’t the “popular view of the time”. It is a logical and scientific explanation for life on earth. Alternatives like Creationism or intelligent design require a good serving of faith. And I’m curious – where are you getting your science based information about dating fossil records?

Using the word faith in relation to science is inappropriate. Faith means to believe in something without proof and/or to demand no proof. That is why it’s a word strongly linked to religion. Science on the other hand is all about facts and figures and probabilities.

I suggest you read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I know the title might be a bit off putting to anyone with strong religious beliefs but, it is an excellent read. Dawkins was for many years Oxford University’s Professor for Public Understanding of Science so he understands the issues that lay people struggle with and explains the science behind them so well.

The Holy Bible is infallible as a source of all worthwhile knowledge. Knowledge found outside of the Good Book is interesting but inconsequential in the big picture. Therefore, 99.9% of science is hardly worth doing, studying or debating. Even if 100% correct it is neither important, useful nor crucial to the goal of an eternal life.

However, there is nothing that one can do but pray for the stubborn non-believers. Unless they change their ways they shall perish forever.

People like you are scary.

This is actually a big problem here in the south. People are just plain stupid. This poster is a fairly accurate representation of folk around here. We make Bill Nye cry. We are not offered a quality education, and then expected to go out into the world and compete with intelligent people in the workforce. It's such bullshit. Pretty much everything I have learned I learned on my own time. There were people in my AP classes who would not have passed at the normal level in a real school. "Intelligent Design" is not the only way that they get you. There's actually a whole fucking thing... There have been several studies done on the subject, most linking the SES of areas to the poor school systems within, but I never really bought that. I understand that schools are funded by local property taxes, but it is possible to be poor and not be stupid. It wouldn't cost anything extra to not waste class time talking about God. It wouldn't cost anything extra to not spend half the lecture time telling dumbasses to sit down and shut up and instead focus on the students who want to learn.

What we actually need is federally standardized lesson plans, like from Japan, so that if you fall behind in the curriculum, it's your own fucking fault. Then you, as the student, would take individual responsibility for your failure. If you move, you pick right back up where you left off. And Kentucky doesn't come out of high school knowing less then half what someone in New York knows.

But you're smart - you got the education you deserved.

 

[Tryharder62]

Intelligence and knowledge are different things.

Oh you are so good. Got me on that one. Intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.

How do you think Intelligence compares to wisdom - which is the sum of learning through the ages.

 

[Tryharder62]

You have misunderstood me. I don’t think you are intolerant, not at all, almost the reverse, you have shown a great deal of tolerance towards those who strongly disagree with your opinions and beliefs.

Evolution isn’t the “popular view of the time”. It is a logical and scientific explanation for life on earth. Alternatives like Creationism or intelligent design require a good serving of faith. And I’m curious – where are you getting your science based information about dating fossil records?

Using the word faith in relation to science is inappropriate. Faith means to believe in something without proof and/or to demand no proof. That is why it’s a word strongly linked to religion. Science on the other hand is all about facts and figures and probabilities.

I suggest you read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I know the title might be a bit off putting to anyone with strong religious beliefs but, it is an excellent read. Dawkins was for many years Oxford University’s Professor for Public Understanding of Science so he understands the issues that lay people struggle with and explains the science behind them so well.))))End quote


I should have worded it better. Christians are often seen as intolerant but sometimes I feel it is the other way around.

Interpreting the Past: Radiocarbon dating by Sheridan Boman and journal articles that come out.

I think Scientists are onto something but there are assumptions used in Carbon - 14 calculations.

1. The balance between carbon-14 producation and decay has always been the same.

2. The rate of carbon-14 decay has not altered

3. Earths magnetic field intensity has not changed.

4. There have only been small variations in the ocean depths.

5. Ocean temperature changes have only been minor

6. Cosmic ray intensity has not changed.

7. Organic material tested has not been contaminated by C-14 since it's death

Measurements bases on assumptions are guesses and not fact. I think Scientist are definately onto something and hopefully something else will be discovered that will make the calculations more accurate.

Religion is simply a body of persons adhereing to a particular set of beliefs or practices. A person can be religious and still lack faith. It actually does not take faith when all the evidence is presented.

 

[fair_warning]

I should have worded it better. Christians are often seen as intolerant but sometimes I feel it is the other way around.

Interpreting the Past: Radiocarbon dating by Sheridan Boman and journal articles that come out.

I think Scientists are onto something but there are assumptions used in Carbon - 14 calculations.

1. The balance between carbon-14 producation and decay has always been the same.

2. The rate of carbon-14 decay has not altered

3. Earths magnetic field intensity has not changed.

4. There have only been small variations in the ocean depths.

5. Ocean temperature changes have only been minor

6. Cosmic ray intensity has not changed.

7. Organic material tested has not been contaminated by C-14 since it's death

Measurements bases on assumptions are guesses and not fact. I think Scientist are definately onto something and hopefully something else will be discovered that will make the calculations more accurate.

Religion is simply a body of persons adhereing to a particular set of beliefs or practices. A person can be religious and still lack faith. It actually does not take faith when all the evidence is presented.

Sheridan Bowman’s article was published in 1990, over 22 years ago. This area of science is constantly moving forward . For example read this : www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100211111549.htm
Also, take a look at: www.radiocarbon.org/, part of the University of Arizona.

Yes, religion is a set of beliefs or practices BUT, in the commonly accepted meaning of the word it refers specifically to: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of God, a god, or gods, and divine involvement in the universe and human life.

I disagree that a religious person needs no faith, relying on evidence. So far, the evidence is that there is no evidence that supports the existence of a god.
Anything I have read about creationism or intelligent design, requires at some point, a step of faith. The following from: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html pretty well sums it up.
Creationists ultimately date the Earth historically using the chronology of the Bible. This is because they believe that this is an accurate eyewitness account of world history, which bears the evidence within it that it is the Word of God, and therefore totally reliable and error-free.
There are many lines of evidence that the radiometric dates are not the objective evidence for an old Earth that many claim, and that the world is really only thousands of years old. We don't have all the answers, but we do have the sure testimony of the Word of God to the true history of the world.
I don't call this evidence - it is a faith based belief.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh you are so good. Got me on that one. Intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.

How do you think Intelligence compares to wisdom - which is the sum of learning through the ages.

Wisdom is knowledge's older brother. Intelligence is how well they play together.

 

[CandiCame]

But you're smart - you got the education you deserved.

You know, I might be a smart-ass now, but I was a kid once. I don't think it's right to say that any child deserves a shitty education. I'm doing the best with what I got. And I got English tears who couldn't understand that the parachuter in Lord of the Flies was a parachuter. She honestly thought it was a monster and counted me off because I pointed out that the word "parachuter" was used in the text. I got an education where at least half of every class I drew because I was waiting on the teacher to get everyone else to shut the fuck up and pay attention instead of focusing on the students who wanted to learn. I was taught creationism and had a biology teacher who honestly didn't understand the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. And I was in AP biology.

When I got to college, I had no idea what was going on. I CLEPed out of a lot of classes because I had done outside work, like I said, but there are a lot of people in this community who don't even have a home computer. Hell, we have a high percentage of kids who don't get fucking food at home. So expecting everyone to learn on their own is out of the question for a lot of people. They can't Google shit.

 

[Tryharder62]

Sheridan Bowman’s article was published in 1990, over 22 years ago. This area of science is constantly moving forward . For example read this : www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100211111549.htm
Also, take a look at: www.radiocarbon.org/, part of the University of Arizona.

Yes, religion is a set of beliefs or practices BUT, in the commonly accepted meaning of the word it refers specifically to: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of God, a god, or gods, and divine involvement in the universe and human life.

I disagree that a religious person needs no faith, relying on evidence. So far, the evidence is that there is no evidence that supports the existence of a god.
Anything I have read about creationism or intelligent design, requires at some point, a step of faith. The following from: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html pretty well sums it up.
Creationists ultimately date the Earth historically using the chronology of the Bible. This is because they believe that this is an accurate eyewitness account of world history, which bears the evidence within it that it is the Word of God, and therefore totally reliable and error-free.
There are many lines of evidence that the radiometric dates are not the objective evidence for an old Earth that many claim, and that the world is really only thousands of years old. We don't have all the answers, but we do have the sure testimony of the Word of God to the true history of the world.
I don't call this evidence - it is a faith based belief.

I said I read her book and continue to read journal articles on the subject. I am simply saying at this point the evidence of the bible is stronger than the evidence from science. I like dictionary.com's definition of faith: confidence or trust in a person or thing. Yep, got faith.

 

[Tryharder62]

Wisdom is knowledge's older brother. Intelligence is how well they play together.

Oh phrodeau, your words move me. LOL

 

[eyer]

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Hebrews 1:1 (NASB)

 

[fair_warning]

I am simply saying at this point the evidence of the bible is stronger than the evidence from science

No, there is no 'evidence' in the bible.It is a collection of texts, written thousands of years ago that records some historical events within the context of the respective authors world view. The bible contains myriad examples of faith and belief in a God, but contains no evidence of the actual existence of a God.

You choose, as a result of your faith, to believe what is contained in the bible over any scientific explanation.

 

[fair_warning]

You know, I might be a smart-ass now, but I was a kid once. I don't think it's right to say that any child deserves a shitty education. I'm doing the best with what I got. And I got English tears who couldn't understand that the parachuter in Lord of the Flies was a parachuter. She honestly thought it was a monster and counted me off because I pointed out that the word "parachuter" was used in the text. I got an education where at least half of every class I drew because I was waiting on the teacher to get everyone else to shut the fuck up and pay attention instead of focusing on the students who wanted to learn. I was taught creationism and had a biology teacher who honestly didn't understand the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. And I was in AP biology.

When I got to college, I had no idea what was going on. I CLEPed out of a lot of classes because I had done outside work, like I said, but there are a lot of people in this community who don't even have a home computer. Hell, we have a high percentage of kids who don't get fucking food at home. So expecting everyone to learn on their own is out of the question for a lot of people. They can't Google shit.

Perhaps I sounded a bit flippant when I said you are smart and got the education you deserved. It was a compliment - your posts are intelligent and well thought out, but, yes the point you make is correct. NO CHILD deserves a shitty education.

In neither Australia nor New Zealand is creationism taught in mainstream schools

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Genesis 2:15-17 (NASD)
15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”


I always thought it was strange that God was afraid of people having knowledge.

 

[eyer]

Genesis 2:15-17 (NASD)
15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”


I always thought it was strange that God was afraid of people having knowledge.

Not as "strange" as you being "afraid" to include "good and evil" there...

...because it's "the knowledge of...evil" which rots "the knowledge of...good".

It is written that the first man - not knowing evil at all - initially walked in the presence of the perfect God...

...but that after directly disobeying God's commandment and tasting evil for the first time, he separated himself from his Creator who cannot abide evil at all.

You are what you eat, boy...

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Not as "strange" as you being "afraid" to include "good and evil" there...

...because it's "the knowledge of...evil" which rots "the knowledge of...good".

It is written that the first man - not knowing evil at all - initially walked in the presence of the perfect God...

...but that after directly disobeying God's commandment and tasting evil for the first time, he separated himself from his Creator who cannot abide evil at all.

You are what you eat, boy...

Now you are just making a bunch of shit up that isn't in there. It wasn't the tree of evil.