Creationism.

[KRCummings]

If you ever want to find a stupid person on either side of the religion debate all you need to do is start a thread on Lit. Holy fuck.

 

[Recidiva]

That is what I will be opening by mentioning the view of the Trinity. That there is One God composing three entities, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They all have been there from the beginning. The Father sent his Son to be the savior of the world. Until he comes again the Holy Spirit is with those who choose to believe. I don't know how much more compassion you can show than to give the world chance after chance after chance and going through the painful death to give a way to salvation.

Can of Worms is pretty much already open.

I think I could come up with many more ways compassion could be expressed. For instance, there are genetic diseases that are horrific. Maybe God could stop making people that have those horrific diseases that are completely unrelated to the spirit within.

I, for instance, have migraines. I didn't cause them, my brain is just malformed. Maybe God could have cut me a break.

I don't think the suffering of Jesus compares at all the suffering of a crack baby. That's why it's my acid test of a theory. Why create a crack baby? Why give one person eternity at the right hand of God when they were born with the knowledge of divinity and powers of divinity and suffered for one day only. Yes, it was owie. But I could get tacked onto a cross pretty easily with that sort of reward for enduring.

 

[Tryharder62]

Okay. I think you take some parts literally, interpret other parts to suit you and dismiss others as irrelevant.

I don't think you take the Bible completely literally, you have a bunch of stop gap measures in place to keep you from being an idiot, and that's good.

Most sane people do. Even the ones who take it literally only take parts of it literally and avoid the topic or explain it away to mean something it clearly doesn't mean from a cold reading of the text.

For instance, you will see Jephthah's daughter as tragic, not explain it away as "But, she really went to the 'dutiful daughter' farm upstate, he never really KILLED her."

It clearly states he killed her. You can see that and concieve it's horror and put it into context without having to explain it all away somehow.

It would help me example of what stop gap measures you think I use. Then I could explain my beliefs. I don't agree with your first statement. I believe it literally.

Yep Jephthah killed her. His faithlessness caught up with him.

 

[Recidiva]

It would help me example of what stop gap measures you think I use. Then I could explain my believes. I don't agree with your first statement. I believe it literally.

Yep Jephthah killed her. His faithlessness caught up with him.

Stoned anybody lately?

 

[Tryharder62]

Can of Worms is pretty much already open.

I think I could come up with many more ways compassion could be expressed. For instance, there are genetic diseases that are horrific. Maybe God could stop making people that have those horrific diseases that are completely unrelated to the spirit within.

I, for instance, have migraines. I didn't cause them, my brain is just malformed. Maybe God could have cut me a break.

I don't think the suffering of Jesus compares at all the suffering of a crack baby. That's why it's my acid test of a theory. Why create a crack baby? Why give one person eternity at the right hand of God when they were born with the knowledge of divinity and powers of divinity and suffered for one day only. Yes, it was owie. But I could get tacked onto a cross pretty easily with that sort of reward for enduring.

I agree with you that genetic diseases are horrible and I am sorry to hear about your headaches. I use to think the same way. Why was I molested and having to deal with depression all the time. You look at this life as from your birth here on earth to your death on this earth. I see it in the context of eternity. While I am here I spent time helping people with problems just like me. I still do. I could share my story and touch them like no one else. Before I get questions about my belief causing my depression, while some depression is situational, mine is due to a decease in seretonin and norepinephrin. We get to be whole in the afterlife.

 

[Tryharder62]

Stoned anybody lately?

No because in Roman's it says that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Who would I be to cast the first stone. I'm on a porn site. Enough said.

 

[Recidiva]

I agree with you that genetic diseases are horrible and I am sorry to hear about your headaches. I use to think the same way. Why was I molested and having to deal with depression all the time. You look at this life as from your birth here on earth to your death on this earth. I see it in the context of eternity. While I am here I spent time helping people with problems just like me. I still do. I could share my story and touch them like no one else. Before I get questions about my belief causing my depression, while some depression is situational, mine is due to a decease in seretonin and norepinephrin. We get to be whole in the afterlife.

Okay. There are a lot of awesome religious people on Lit, Catholic and Christian, with whom I have conversed and I respect on their ability to interpret their religion to make their life better. They're not here right now, but most of them have expressed what you've expressed: I wouldn't be as motivated to be a good person if I were to give up the idea of Eternal reward for the righteous and judgment for the wicked. The chaos of life and the despair of that is offset by the idea that the Universe will make sense at some point.

I've just taken it further and decided that if I felt that way, I need to find a way to see the Earth as good enough to save on its own merits. I sought out the good, the inspiring, the incredible as created by men and women, and not Gods. I studied religion and art and literature and scientific progress and I honor the struggle in itself, not the endpoint of the struggle. I'm all about the journey, not the destination. It helps me focus on now. I take offense at the idea that religious forms of crime and punishment by a higher power are the only things that create morality, though I understand how difficult it is to give up the pre-existing idea.

I can respect your viewpoint, EnglishLady's viewpoint, BlackShanglan's viewpoint. I ask questions first, but if you have a framework that works for you and you remain a good person, whatever works for you, works for you. More power to you. I am glad to have had a conversation and seen the source of light from other minds.

 

[Recidiva]

No because in Roman's it says that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Who would I be to cast the first stone. I'm on a porn site. Enough said.

Heh. Okay. What's your viewpoint of gay people? Do you believe in Leviticus being literal or do you believe it's not up to you to judge?

You balance some parts of the Bible against other parts, with a thrust toward seeking greater wisdom and using your mind to resolve problems. All good things.

Many people use it as a reason to hate and condemn and don't do the things you do, which I described as stop gap.

I think if there was a passage of the bible telling you "Everyone named Recidiva must be stoned on sight" you'd probably say "Yeah...well...Jesus said not to do that...so..."

 

[Tryharder62]

Heh. Okay. What's your viewpoint of gay people? Do you believe in Leviticus being literal or do you believe it's not up to you to judge?

You balance some parts of the Bible against other parts, with a thrust toward seeking greater wisdom and using your mind to resolve problems. All good things.

Many people use it as a reason to hate and condemn and don't do the things you do, which I described as stop gap.

I think if there was a passage of the bible telling you "Everyone named Recidiva must be stoned on sight" you'd probably say "Yeah...well...Jesus said not to do that...so..."

I have no problem with gay people. Have had thoughts about it myself. Have gay friends. The bible says that it was not what God intended as I read it. But he loves us no matter what. That's just it. I'm not God. Every person has to define what is their truth - as you articulated. I am not going to tell a gay person they are sinning against God. That is up to them to decide. Maybe there are things I don't know. I am on here just to tell what my beliefs are -not to condemn any other views. In fact it is interesting to learn about all forms of faith. I'm glad God let's us use our minds.

You know I agree with you. People of the Muslim faith are being condemned because of the extemists that use hate to give people fear. Christians are judged by extremists that spout judgement and hate. I'm sure I could go on.

It is interesting because there is some balancing of ideas in the bible. Things that were done in the Old testement could be brought to be something different after the coming of Jesus in the New Testement. We don't have to sacrifice goats or whatever anymore for example because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. If the old testement said to you the coming of Christ could very well change that in the new testement. Interesting thought.

ARe you finding a passage in Leviticus that says I should be the judge? I am just interested I couldn't find one.

 

[Sean]

Do you believe that all priests and pastors should have their testicles inspected before being allowed to be ordained?

 

[phrodeau]

Do you believe that all priests and pastors should have their testicles inspected before being allowed to be ordained?

Yes, and there should be a website with pics.

 

[Tryharder62]

Do you believe that all priests and pastors should have their testicles inspected before being allowed to be ordained?

Bible reference please

 

[phrodeau]

The old testement is most importantly the prophecy that Jesus would be coming. The new testement is the fulfillment of that prophecy and it is historicaly accurate. The debate stems from those who choose not to believe the historical accounts that Jesus rose again from the grave. Some people want to leave him in the ground. Some people believe those who saw his ressurrection and started the ministry of telling about it.

"Lazarus was raised; never said a word about it. The daughter of Jairus was raised; didn't say a thing about what she'd been through. And the Gospels tell us that at the time of the crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem opened, and their occupants wandered around the streets to greet people. It seems that resurrection was something of a banality at the time." --- Christopher Hitchens

 

[Tryharder62]

Yes, and there should be a website with pics.

LOL

 

[Sean]

Bible reference please

Leviticus 21:18-21

King James Version (KJV)

18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

 

[Sean]

Do you believe that the daughter of a priest that has sex out of wedlock should be burnt alive?

 

[Tryharder62]

"Lazarus was raised; never said a word about it. The daughter of Jairus was raised; didn't say a thing about what she'd been through. And the Gospels tell us that at the time of the crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem opened, and their occupants wandered around the streets to greet people. It seems that resurrection was something of a banality at the time." --- Christopher Hitchens

Very true. But if you look at all the old testement prophecy Jesus was the fullfillment of every one of them. I will have to look up the daughter of Jairus I am not knowlegeable on that but Lazarus was raised without a word but he wasn't Jesus. He wasn't the fulfillment. Does make you wonder if you should start grieving or not doesn't it. Maybe they're dead, Maybe not

 

[phrodeau]

Leviticus 21:18-21

King James Version (KJV)

18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

Before people had Bibles to put their hands on to swear, they used testicles. That means they would put their hand under the judge's testicles and swear the oath. Testicles were a job requirement.

 

[Weezard]

That is what I will be opening by mentioning the view of the Trinity. That there is One God composing three entities, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They all have been there from the beginning. The Father sent his Son to be the savior of the world. Until he comes again the Holy Spirit is with those who choose to believe. I don't know how much more compassion you can show than to give the world chance after chance after chance and going through the painful death to give a way to salvation.

Have I not repeatedly assured you and others that I AM GOD? You must accept this fact.
For you have none other to turn to in your great need for comfort. Have I
not also been wholly truthful in telling you that my alleged son, Jesus, was a permissible hoax? I, The Lord your God, permitted the tale to have a continued existence because the people needed a dream to dream. I, the Lord your God, have no son who is equal with ME. For I AM the I AM.
I have not anointed you, or anyone else to go into all the world baptizing
people in MY HOLY NAME. You blaspheme MY NAME, and you lie as your fathers
before you lied. They knew ME not, as you know ME not.
Rest assured that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit does,
indeed, reside in Needles, Ca. He is here to open and close the Gates of
Hell known as the Mohave Desert. A demonish summer temp of 125-132 deg. F. If you are able to touch the ground you'll find it a delightful 50 to 75
deg. higher. The reason for my first son's hooved feet.
Hear my chant O children of the earth. My words are true and sweet to know.
For I am The

 

[Byron In Exile]

Accurate

I'll say.

Man, that was a trip and a half.

 

[Byron In Exile]

You know I have really liked your questions and feel you are a very intuitive. I also appreciate that you at least listen to what I have to say.

Praise the gods for these miracles.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Okay. I'm gratified you looked it up and didn't answer my silliness with rejection. I have a snarky sense of humor but in general I think study of the text is important, and I'm glad you checked it out. I have given the Bible study, and there's a lot in there that is relevant and wise.

Ditch that stuff.

Upanishads are the definition of "wise."

Start with the Bhagavad Gita and work backwards.

 

[Byron In Exile]

No way. Sauron doesn't have a wand. He can't even expelliarmus!

Lols at the Latin attempt.

Slip an "i" in before the "mus" and it might make a word.

A silly word, anyway...

 

[Tryharder62]

Do you believe that all priests and pastors should have their testicles inspected before being allowed to be ordained?

Thank you for giving me the bible reference. I believe that at the time it was like that. It is hard to explain - the Bible is like a two book boxed set. You read the first book (In this case the old testement) and think you have it all until the sequel comes out and explains everything clearer. Simply put Jesus came. Things changed. They aren't contradicted. They changed. Most people look to 1 Timothy 3:7 for pastor qualifications. No I don't believe all priests and pastors should have their testicles inpected before being allowed to be ordained but in certain translations it sounds like they did in the time spoken about in leviticus.

 

[Tryharder62]

Have I not repeatedly assured you and others that I AM GOD? You must accept this fact.
For you have none other to turn to in your great need for comfort. Have I
not also been wholly truthful in telling you that my alleged son, Jesus, was a permissible hoax? I, The Lord your God, permitted the tale to have a continued existence because the people needed a dream to dream. I, the Lord your God, have no son who is equal with ME. For I AM the I AM.
I have not anointed you, or anyone else to go into all the world baptizing
people in MY HOLY NAME. You blaspheme MY NAME, and you lie as your fathers
before you lied. They knew ME not, as you know ME not.
Rest assured that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit does,
indeed, reside in Needles, Ca. He is here to open and close the Gates of
Hell known as the Mohave Desert. A demonish summer temp of 125-132 deg. F. If you are able to touch the ground you'll find it a delightful 50 to 75
deg. higher. The reason for my first son's hooved feet.
Hear my chant O children of the earth. My words are true and sweet to know.
For I am The

How am I going to explain that my new god is named Weezard?