Contraception is Next

[Chobham]

There should be no religious exemptions for service industries. If you are employed to provide a service, then you provide that service.

LMAO, "service industry?"

 

[Bn2f]

LMAO, "service industry?"

Haha! I laugh at anyone awaiting an example of this so called religious exemption.

I know, sigh, I know that many here bristle at me deriding this particular member’s intelligence. I know that that tact can grant some measure of sympathy to said member. But then, there are moments such as these when this person gets up the guts to try to engage outside the gun thread and you again realize, yep, he’s an idiot.

 

[Chobham]

Let's start with the simple. Doctors and Pharmacists are licensed professionals, they are not service industry workers.

Contraception and abortion are NOT rights. No where in the constitution will you find any reference to either. Sitting around, running your mouth, and calling them "rights" just doesn't make it so. On the other hand religion is specifically mentioned as a "right." Those others may be legally permissible as legislation may or may not direct and anything the state can give, the state can take away.

For the sake of discussion, and discussion only, I'll concede that contraception and abortion are "rights." In that context there is an opinion being put forth here by many that one right, the 'right' to contraception and abortion, trumps the right to practice ones religion. WRONG!!!! Rights don't work that way, one right does NOT cancel another. In other words there is no hierarchy of rights. In the one case the claimant can find another doctor or pharmacist to satisfy their demands, whereas the claimant on the religious side of the equation has NO such option.

Re. "Service Industry." Remember the Colorado wedding cake case? (Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 584 U.S. 617 (2018).) The SCOTUS ultimately found AGAINST the Colorado Civil Rights Commission 7 to 2. The legislation sent to the governor is very similar to this case and after years of litigation and considerable expense to the taxpayer will undoubtedly end up in the trash can of history as well. In other words this is just an election year trick on the part of the Communists in the Virginia Assembly so that they, the press, and the borderline defective that started this thread can write headlines that are far from the truth. The legislation as presented to the governor exposes who the true despots are in our society.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Let's start with the simple. Doctors and Pharmacists are licensed professionals, they are not service industry workers.

Contraception and abortion are NOT rights. No where in the constitution will you find any reference to either. Sitting around, running your mouth, and calling them "rights" just doesn't make it so. On the other hand religion is specifically mentioned as a "right." Those others may be legally permissible as legislation may or may not direct and anything the state can give, the state can take away.

For the sake of discussion, and discussion only, I'll concede that contraception and abortion are "rights." In that context there is an opinion being put forth here by many that one right, the 'right' to contraception and abortion, trumps the right to practice ones religion. WRONG!!!! Rights don't work that way, one right does NOT cancel another. In other words there is no hierarchy of rights. In the one case the claimant can find another doctor or pharmacist to satisfy their demands, whereas the claimant on the religious side of the equation has NO such option.

Re. "Service Industry." Remember the Colorado wedding cake case? (Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 584 U.S. 617 (2018).) The SCOTUS ultimately found AGAINST the Colorado Civil Rights Commission 7 to 2. The legislation sent to the governor is very similar to this case and after years of litigation and considerable expense to the taxpayer will undoubtedly end up in the trash can of history as well. In other words this is just an election year trick on the part of the Communists in the Virginia Assembly so that they, the press, and the borderline defective that started this thread can write headlines that are far from the truth. The legislation as presented to the governor exposes who the true despots are in our society.

Read the bill. It prevents the GOVERNMENT from restricting access to contraceptives. It doesn’t mandate that any individuals do anything.

I thought you supported limited government?

§32.1-377. Applicability.

A. Neither the Commonwealth nor any locality may administer, implement, or enforce any law, rule, regulation, standard, or other provision having the force and effect of law in a manner that:

1. Prohibits or restricts the sale, provision, or use of any contraceptives that have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for contraceptive purposes.

2. Prohibits or restricts any person from aiding another person in obtaining any contraceptives approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration or utilizing any contraceptive methods.

3. Exempts any contraceptives approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration from any other generally applicable law in a way that would make it more difficult to sell, provide, obtain, or use those contraceptives or contraceptive methods.

https://legiscan.com/VA/text/HB609/id/2874052

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Assmeal talks a big game, but it's all mindless blather.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Hashmi and Price said in a joint statement: “Gov. Glenn Youngkin today made his position crystal clear: he will not protect Virginians’ freedom to use contraceptives, including IUDs and Plan B.”
“Do not believe any more of this right-wing governor’s doublespeak as he continues to play both sides,” they added. “By vetoing our legislation, Governor Youngkin is now on the record agreeing with the extremists in his party — including Donald Trump — who conflate contraception with abortion.”

Hashmi and Price have asserted that Virginia should protect access to contraception in state law in case the U.S. Supreme Court revisits Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 case that protects access to contraceptives.
When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that that the court could reconsider other cases that emanated from the due process clause of the 14th amendment - which could include the Griswold case. Thomas asserted that the due process clause “at most guarantees process” and “does not secure any substantive rights.”

https://richmond.com/virginia-polit...cle_49f2a808-1643-11ef-a930-db1c760420c5.html

 

[Chobham]

The use of the word "individual" without qualifiers in the legislation obviates everything they're saying.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The use of the word "individual" without qualifiers in the legislation obviates everything they're saying.

Ha. You get the award for most simpleminded analysis.

Read the bill. It prevents the GOVERNMENT from restricting access to contraceptives. It doesn’t mandate that any individuals do anything.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Fuck your Pursuit of Happiness!

They need a new carrot for their followers

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/21/trump-contraception-abortion-00159118

They certainly aren’t denying it!

Sorry ? You if they go there then forget all your viagra ED and voodoo to keep your cock hard

In vitro ? Who needs more humans? You all don’t deserve children! No happiness in a well planned family !!

God forbid you help woman afford their monthly needs either. Got to tax all that !!!

 

[RoryN]

Abortion medications just became controlled substances in Louisiana.

 

[GhostFence2024]

Y'all heard of Project 2025, right? They're not hiding shit anymore. Y'all better get over "B-b-b-but Israel" and keep this orange clown out of office or his shipping of weapons to Israel (an absolute certainty) to boost their genocide will be the very least of your problems. Loss of contraception rights will be the first nuke to hit you.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://richmond.com/virginia-polit...cle_49f2a808-1643-11ef-a930-db1c760420c5.html

Relax. Contraceptives are legal and widely available in the state of Virginia.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Relax. Contraceptives are legal and widely available in the state of Virginia.

The point is the Republicans refuse to protect access to contraceptives in law. Republicans in congress and the Virginia governor blocked bills. Why is that?

It’s because right wing extremists conflate contraceptives with abortion (as openly stated by the Heritage Foundation).

And of course Justice Thomas has stated that the Supreme Court should reconsider decisions that legalize access to contraceptives.

You can deny all you want, but I take them at their word.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The point is the Republicans refuse to protect access to contraceptives in law. Republicans in congress and the Virginia governor blocked bills. Why is that?

It’s because right wing extremists conflate contraceptives with abortion (as openly stated by the Heritage Foundation).

And of course Justice Thomas has stated that the Supreme Court should reconsider decisions that legalize access to contraceptives.

You can deny all you want, but I take them at their word.

I was referring to your link. The laws in Virginia are fine. There is no need for the law that was sent to the governor and he explained his veto. Contraceptives are widely available in many forms. It was a frivolous bill in search of a need.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I was referring to your link. The laws in Virginia are fine. There is no need for the law that was sent to the governor and he explained his veto. Contraceptives are widely available in many forms. It was a frivolous bill in search of a need.

Available now. Not available if Republicans get their way. That’s the point, obviously.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Available now. Not available if Republicans get their way. That’s the point, obviously.

The governor is a Republican. He supports access to contraceptives. Contraceptives are widely available in his state.

 

[PaxNurgle]

How hard would it have been to write a religious exemption into the bill? And EXACTLY what would be the objection to doing so?

Your religious "Freedom" should not supercede the sexual and intimate freedoms of others.

What if I claimed my God allowed me, no, rather COMMANDED me, to punch you in the face? If I got arrested for assault, would that not violate my religious freedoms? Could not I claim a religious exemption?

Rastafarians smoke marijuana as part of their religious ceremonies. I'm fairly certain that if they tried to claim "religious exemption" you would probably object, even though it goes without saying that smoking a little reefer in the name of Jesus/Ras Tafari is far less harmful than randomly assaulting someone.

In other words, religious freedom is fine- but what you are talking about is granting "Freedom" to one party while stripping it away from others. This isn't how a free society is supposed to work.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The governor is a Republican. He supports access to contraceptives. Contraceptives are widely available in his state.

Before June 2022:

“Relax. Abortion is legal.”

After June 2022:

“Get over it. You could have codified Roe but didn’t.”

Now:

“Relax. Contraceptives are legal.”

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Before June 2022:

“Relax. Abortion is legal.”

After June 2022:

“Get over it. You could have codified Roe but didn’t.”

Now:

“Relax. Contraceptives are legal.”

Abortion is legal up to the end of the second trimester in Virginia.

 

[icanhelp1]

So Virginians still have access to contraception. Got it. Thanks for sharing.


He also banned the poorly-thought-out-so-called "Assault Weapons Ban."


Maybe he actually reads what's in the bills and vetoes the bullshit instead of signing Mickey Mouse into law.


You know, to avoid Unintended Consequences.

Loons are chock full of hypotheticals

 

[icanhelp1]

How hard would it have been to write a religious exemption into the bill? And EXACTLY what would be the objection to doing so?

The bill was nothing more than cheap election year grandstanding on the democrats part so that ignorant pieces of shit like the thread starter can write the headlines they do.

Disgusting human garbage, the lot of you.

OP lashes out with hypothetical just to stir up shit.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Loons are chock full of hypotheticals

That's all they have. Create a narrative and then stick to it no matter what.


For them, there is FAFO.

 

[Chobham]

OP lashes out with hypothetical just to stir up shit.

Poorly written legislation addressing a non-issue for the purposes of political grandstanding.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Note to deplorables:

The point is the Republicans refuse to protect access to contraceptives in law. Republicans in congress and the Virginia governor blocked bills. Why is that?

It’s because right wing extremists conflate contraceptives with abortion (as openly stated by the Heritage Foundation).

And of course Justice Thomas has stated that the Supreme Court should reconsider decisions that legalize access to contraceptives.

You can deny all you want, but I take them at their word.

 

[adrina]

So many men being so cavalier about women.