Coffee Lovers: Would you?

ABSTRUSE

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Coffee grows in dozens of countries around the world. Some varieties have earned a special reputation, often based on a combination of rarity, unusual circumstances and particularly good flavor. These coffees, from Jamaican Blue Mountain to Kona to Tanzanian Peaberry, command a premium price. But perhaps no coffee in the world is in such short supply, has such unique flavors and an, um, interesting background as Kopi Luwak. And no coffee even comes close in price: Kopi Luwak sells for $75 per quarter pound. Granted, that's substantially less than marijuana, but it's still unimaginably high for coffee.

Kopi (the Indonesian word for coffee) Luwak comes from the islands of Sumatra, Java and Sulawesi (formerly Celebes), which are part of the Indonesian Archepelago's 13,677 islands (only 6,000 of which are inhabited). But it's not strictly the exotic location that makes these beans worth their weight in silver. It's how they're "processed."

On these Indonesian islands, there's a small marsupial called the paradoxurus, a tree-dwelling animal that is part of the sibet family. Long regarded by the natives as pests, they climb among the coffee trees eating only the ripest, reddest coffee cherries. Who knows who first thought of it, or how or why, but what these animals eat they must also digest and eventually excrete. Some brazen or desparate -- or simply lazy -- local gathered the beans, which come through the digestion process fairly intact, still wrapped in layers of the cherries' mucilage. The enzymes in the animals' stomachs, though, appear to add something unique to the coffee's flavor through fermentation.

Curiously, Kopi Luwak isn't the only "specialty" food that begins this way. Argan is an acacia-like tree that grows in Morocco and Mexico which, through its olive-like fruit, yields argan oil. In Morocco, the Berbers encourage goats to climb the trees to eat the fruit. They later gather the goats' excrement and remove the pits, which they grind for oil to be used in massage, in cooking and as an aphrodisiac.

What started as, presumably, a way for the natives to get coffee without climbing the trees has since evolved into the world's priciest specialty coffee. Japan buys the bulk of Kopi Luwak, but M.P. Mountanos (800-229-1611), the first in the United States to bring in this exotic bean, recently imported 110 pounds after a seven year search for a reliable and stable supplier. "It's the rarest beverage in the world," Mark Mountanos says, estimating a total annual crop of less than 500 pounds.

Richard Karno, former owner of The Novel Cafe in Santa Monica, California, got a flyer from Mountanos about Kopi Luwak and "thought it was a joke." But Karno was intrigued, found it it was for real, and ordered a pound for a tasting. Karno sent out releases to the local press inviting them to a cupping. When no one responded, he roasted it and held a cupping for himself and his employees. Karno is very enthusiastic, a convert to Kopi Luwak. "It's the best coffee I've ever tasted. It's really good, heavy with a caramel taste, heavy body. It smells musty and jungle-like green, but it roasts up real nice. The LA Times didn't come to our cupping, but ran a bit in their food section, which hit the AP Wire service." And Karno and the folks at M.P. Mountanos have been inundated with calls ever since.

Mountanos says, "It's the most complex coffee I've ever tasted," attributing the unusual flavors to the natural fermentation the coffee beans undergo in the paradoxurus' digestive system. The stomach acids and enzymes are very different from fermenting beans in water. Mountanos says, "It has a little of everything pleasurable in all coffees: earthy, musty tone, the heaviest bodied I've ever tasted. It's almost syrupy, and the aroma is very unique." While it won't be turning up in every neighborhood cafe any day soon, Mountanos reports that Starbucks bought it for cuppings within the company.

In fact, most of Mountanos' customers have bought it for special cuppings. The Coffee Critic in San Mateo, California, though, occasionally sells Kopi Luwak to the public for $5 a cup. Owner Linda Nederman says she keeps the price low to allow people to experience the coffee. Nederman says that most of her people who try it are longtime customers, and they're "game to try something different and unusual. I've never had anybody complain, they all seem to feel it's worth the price." Nederman drinks it herself every time they brew it. "I've never tasted anything like it. It's an unbelieveable taste in your mouth: richness, body, earthiness, smooth." She also carries Jamaica Blue Mountain, Burundi Superior AA and Brazil FZA "Natural Dry," so her customers are used to fine and exotic coffees. Still, she reports, many are afraid to try Kopi Luwak.

Michael Beech, founding partner in Raven's Brew Coffee (no web site yet, but email them at ravencup@ptialaska.net), a roaster, wholesaler and mail order (800-91-RAVEN) merchant in Ketchikan, Alaska, sells roasted-to-order Kopi Luwak by the quarter pound ($75, including a free t-shirt depicting the coffee-making process). "It's excellent coffee. But I always caution customers that you can't get $75 worth of quality in any coffee, there's no such thing. You're paying for the experience of quaffing the world's rarest and most expensive coffee. The palate would recognize it as Sumatran or Indonesian right away. It has earthy tones of natural processed Sumatra Mandheling. It has low acidity with a syrupy body. There's something else there, a nuance in the flavor profile that I can't describe, and when I've challanged others, no one else can either. It's almost alien, a tiny little flavor note, highly exotic." The last bag he sold was to John Cleese of Monty Python and Fierce Creatures fame.

But not everyone is seduced by this exotic coffee's charms. "Kopi Luwak is, in my opinion, indistinguishable from many an average robusta, especially if you cup them next to each other," says Tim Castle, coffee expert and author of The Perfect Cup, referring to the lower grade of commercially available coffees. "Kopi Luwak's processing is unusual and attracts attention. In that sense, it is an interesting coffee."

Intrigued by the hype, I drove out to the Los Angeles warehouse of M.P. Mountanos to cup some Kopi with Andrew Vournas. The green beans, which range from tiny to elephant, have a faint smell that hints of a zoo or stables -- a little funky, not your average coffee aroma. He lightly roasts about 21 grams, enough beans for three cups, in a Jabez Burns two barrel sample roaster, a rare and beautiful machine dating from the '30s. Vournas gives the beans a light roast -- just after the second popping -- to accentuate the specific flavors of this rare coffee; a darker roast would obliterate the subtler flavors and replace them with a more generic taste. Vournas points out that this coffee, like most Indonesian-grown, has lots of moisture and roasts nicely.

Vournas gives the beans a course grind and mixes seven grams of coffee with four ounces of water in each of three cups. The aroma is rich and strong, and the coffee is incredibly full bodied, almost syrupy. It's thick with a hint of chocolate, and lingers on the tongue with a long, clean aftertaste. It's definitely one of the most interesting and unusual cups I've ever had.

Is it worth the money? Five dollars for a single cup? Sure, why not? You'll pay more than that in any Paris cafe for a bad au lait. Might as well spend it on something rare and exotic.
 
Is this the one where the bean passes through the digestive tract of some critter?
 
I'll stick to A&p thanks.

I've had some Jamacian blue Mountain coffee. I would rate it right up there with mississippi river mud for flavor and coloring. Truly something you could float a horseshoe in.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I've had some Jamacian blue Mountain coffee. I would rate it right up there with mississippi river mud for flavor and coloring. Truly something you could float a horseshoe in.

10W-30 was my assessment.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I'll stick to A&p thanks.

I've had some Jamacian blue Mountain coffee. I would rate it right up there with mississippi river mud for flavor and coloring. Truly something you could float a horseshoe in.
I've had a few different ones but never poopbean blend. Would I try it? Maybe.

I'm not a Starbucks fan either.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
I'm not a Starbucks fan either.

Starbucks tastes like an ashtray to me.

Kona is pretty good -- and I like the Costa Rican coffees (but I have a soft soft for Costa Rica -- and a wet spot, too *grin*)
 
impressive said:
Starbucks tastes like an ashtray to me.

Kona is pretty good -- and I like the Costa Rican coffees (but I have a soft soft for Costa Rica -- and a wet spot, too *grin*)
I don't think I've had Kona, but I want to try it. Where I used to work the coffee house owner and I were good friends and he would make me sample things. He had an air roasted blend, the beans were so light you could crush them by hand, the coffee was good too.
Costa Rica, wasn't Jurassic Park there?
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Kopi Luwak sells for $75 per quarter pound.

"I've never tasted anything like it. It's an unbelieveable taste in your mouth:

There's something else there, a nuance in the flavor profile that I can't describe.

"Kopi Luwak's processing is unusual and attracts attention. In that sense, it is an interesting coffee."

The aroma is rich and strong. and the coffee is incredibly full bodied, almost syrupy. It's definitely one of the most interesting and unusual cups I've ever had.

Is it worth the money? Five dollars for a single cup? Sure, why not?



Gosh, I'll fart in your mouth for 2.50 :kiss: :kiss:
 
As a huge coffee lover, no, I would never knowingly drink crappacino..... Just so very wrong somehow.

And as for Jamaican blue mountain, you have to brew it with about 2/3 of what you normally use or it is way too bitter. But if you back off the grounds or cold brew it for 8 hours its really really good.
 
Salvor-Hardon said:
As a huge coffee lover, no, I would never knowingly drink crappacino..... Just so very wrong somehow.

And as for Jamaican blue mountain, you have to brew it with about 2/3 of what you normally use or it is way too bitter. But if you back off the grounds or cold brew it for 8 hours its really really good.
That's like driving a stick shift, I don't want to have to think about things when making coffee or driving recklessly.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
You're a twisted angel of mercy. :rose:


Gee .... Um .... thanks ... I think.


I like Folgers coffee only.

Peoples will buy me a "Latte Crapucino" or somethin and I just pour it out when they aren't lookin.

Now a regurgitated or digested coca cola or pepsi might be good, but not coffee.

:nana: :nana: :nana:
 
If I'm in it for the taste, I only drink Kenyan.

If I'm in it for the caffeine, any mud will do.
 
When I was young, I had an Uncle who lived on Lake Ponchetrane(?) in LA. He introduced me to coffee with chicory. It has a very different flavor and consistancy than your average coffee. Most people can stand it, it make them want to gag. Personally , I love it. It is pretty much all I drink and I drink a lot of it.
The wife has bought me some of the starbucks and other types of the gourmet coffees. They always seem week and lacking body.
I'll stick to my chicory coffee, strong and dark.
It's just getting hard to find around here. Guess I am going to have to develop a LA connection for it.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Is it worth the money? Five dollars for a single cup? Sure, why not? You'll pay more than that in any Paris cafe for a bad au lait. Might as well spend it on something rare and exotic.


I'd pay 5 dollars for the T-shirt alone! :D

Seriously, I can't answer that question before I have tasted it. If it was REALLY tasty, then yes, I'd pay $5 for a cup - about once a month or so. But if it's only slightly better-tasting than regular coffee, then I'll take those 5 bucks and buy me a dinner instead.
 
I'm a tea drinker and like it steeped long and strong, but I like a good cup of java now and then. The best coffee I've ever had was in Venice (Italy! not So. Cal.), so unless it was served there I wouldn't try the Kopi Luwak (and it has nada to do with monkey butts).

Perdita
 
perdita said:
I'm a tea drinker and like it steeped long and strong, but I like a good cup of java now and then. The best coffee I've ever had was in Venice (Italy! not So. Cal.), so unless it was served there I wouldn't try the Kopi Luwak (and it has nada to do with monkey butts).

Perdita
I'm with you on the tea thing, steeped long and strong. I switch to tea every now and then.
I'm not into green tea, too weak for me.
 
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