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[RobDownSouth]

Israel's heinous and immoral conduct in their ethnic cleansing has been a G-dsend for Republcan presidential hopes.

It is a perfect wedge issue to peel off a long-standing Democratic constituency (American Jewish voters) from voting. They won't vote for Trump (American Jews are still largely anti-fascism, unlike Israeli Jews who are currently consumed with bloodlust) but any Democratic voter who stays home on election day is essentially a vote for Dictator Donald.

 

[KeithD]

Of course he did. Israel is actively blocking aid which is completely against our funding laws.

Has been up to today. We'll have to see what happens tomorrow.

I think Netanyahu was up to his eyeballs in what happened to the Central Kitchen people, reflecting, as it does in the States with Donald Trump, how isolated and self-possessed Netanyahu is. He may have had nothing in mind beyond encouraging even less of an aid effort in Gaza. If so, it's probably backfired. We'll see where he goes from here.

 

[ll74]

Has been up to today. We'll have to see what happens tomorrow.

I think Netanyahu was up to his eyeballs in what happened to the Central Kitchen people, reflecting, as it does in the States with Donald Trump, how isolated and self-possessed Netanyahu is. He may have had nothing in mind beyond encouraging even less of an aid effort in Gaza. If so, it's probably backfired. We'll see where he goes from here.

I dislike the reaction from the left particularly where everything is done in bad faith by Israel. It's counterproductive to any effort and is shortsighted imo.

Netanyahu is in charge... That is not going to change until after the effort is done. Additionally, Hamas needs to be held accountable for their sabotaging as well. We need pressure more on Arab nations to pressure them.

 

[KeithD]

I dislike the reaction from the left particularly where everything is done in bad faith by Israel. It's counterproductive to any effort and is shortsighted imo.

Netanyahu is in charge... That is not going to change until after the effort is done. Additionally, Hamas needs to be held accountable for their sabotaging as well. We need pressure more on Arab nations to pressure them.

My reaction is from a career of dealing with this, including with Israeli intelligence.

Yes, Hamas is the key instigator and terrorist force to be dealt with--with very little leverage and position to do so. There's not much new with that. Beyond that, I don't know what you mean by "bad faith by Israel." Israel is in the same circumstance with Netanyahu as the United States is with Donald Trump. A self-possessed, self-preservationist in the face of personal criminal indictment jerking his own country around with enough power to apply a lot of egg to face and uncertainty for international view.

Let's see how you would handle from here the position Israel has gotten itself into--almost as much an international pariah, by its own knee-jerk, prejudicial reaction, as Hamas is. That serves Hamas's purposes and helps tremendously in its recruitment efforts among the Palestinians (not to mention other disaffected folks across the Levant and into the Gulf).

 

[ll74]

My reaction is from a career of dealing with this, including with Israeli intelligence.

Yes, Hamas is the key instigator and terrorist force to be dealt with--with very little leverage and position to do so. There's not much new with that. Beyond that, I don't know what you mean by "bad faith by Israel." Israel is in the same circumstance with Netanyahu as the United States is with Donald Trump. A self-possessed, self-preservationist in the face of personal criminal indictment jerking his own country around with enough power to apply a lot of egg to face and uncertainty for international view.

Let's see how you would handle from here the position Israel has gotten itself into--almost as much an international pariah, by its own knee-jerk, prejudicial reaction, as Hamas is. That serves Hamas's purposes and helps tremendously in its recruitment efforts among the Palestinians (not to mention other disaffected folks across the Levant and into the Gulf).

The immediate assumption that Israel killed aid workers on purpose.... That's what I mean.

I don't like or support Netanyahu and believe all leadership must be purged once the conflict allows.

 

[KeithD]

The immediate assumption that Israel killed aid workers on purpose.... That's what I mean.

I don't like or support Netanyahu and believe all leadership must be purged once the conflict allows.

I'm not being immediate on this. For me this traces all the way back to 1980, with a big blip in the 1982 Shatila massacre, which I barely missed by 24 hours with the insiders' knowledge that Israel's plans didn't match in the least their international stance on what they might/did do. In 1982 Netanyahu was a major spokesman for the Israeli government--spinning fairytales about what Israel did/was going to do.

When I posted that this looked like a "planned accident" to me was from watching it build up not as any sort of immediate reaction.

 

[ll74]

I'm not being immediate on this. For me this traces all the way back to 1980, with a big blip in the 1982 Shatila massacre, which I barely missed by 24 hours with the insiders' knowledge that Israel's plans didn't match in the least their international stance on what they might/did do. In 1982 Netanyahu was a major spokesman for the Israeli government--spinning fairytales about what Israel did/was going to do.

When I posted that this looked like a "planned accident" to me was from watching it build up not as any sort of immediate reaction.

I don't agree, but I've given my criticism and don't need to drag it out.

I've got enough for both the right and the left in this conflict. All in all, I want more pressure for a temp ceasefire and Hamas surrender.

 

[icanhelp1]

No, but yesterday he amped up his call for an immediate cease fire and threatened policy changes at the same time Israel is bracing for the likelihood of an attack from Iran. Instead of relentlessly demanding that Hamas immediately release the hostages, he’s undermining Israel’s leverage by pressuring them to quickly negotiate a deal. Hamas has to be pleased with the domestic political pandering to pro Palestinian progressives it’s seeing from the White House.

I find this ironic coming from that hypocrite Biden; which was quickly swept under the media carpet. He, Biden, was never held to account for his fuck up, trying to use the attack for political reasons, an overzealous reactionary tactical strike seizing an attempt to coverup his total fuckup in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776202052768543007

 

[ll74]

I find this ironic coming from that hypocrite Biden;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776202052768543007

That's not Biden.

 

[KeithD]

I don't agree, but I've given my criticism and don't need to drag it out.

I've got enough for both the right and the left in this conflict. All in all, I want more pressure for a temp ceasefire and Hamas surrender.

Hamas isn't going to surrender and now doesn't have to. Israel let loose of any possibility of doing that by employing "kill them all" blatant tactics rather than less-open "ferret them out and squash them with minimal side destruction" tactics (which Israel is fully capable of doing). No, that's not easy. But what they chose to do has been neither easy nor reputation/support preserving. It's a simple fact that Israel wants all Palestinians gone from the region and has been pursuing that goal in its 7 October response. Seeing that isn't supporting Hamas in any way.

Netanyahu purposely chose the "kill them all" tactics (putting it in play before 7 October and thus contributing to there having been a 7 October) and he did so for personal preservation purposes.

 

[ll74]

This is great news. Hopefully those who paused their aid after the world kitchen attack will restart their efforts and get aid into Gaza again.

I'm not sure who will take over from the world kitchen, though... As they were the chosen group to distribute aid that the US was using for the temp port.

Israel says it will open new aid routes into Gaza​

 

[KeithD]

Saying and doing are two different animals. We'll see. At some point U.S. pressure will will out here if the pressure indeed is real. And if it isn't, the Biden folks are seriously misjudging their own country's mood. Biden's own political future relies on breaking Netanyahu and toning down Israel in Gaza. Israel has already thrown away its possibility of wiping Hamas out there. The Biden administration has blown the opportunity of reining Israel in privately. Now it has to do it publicly, with greater personal damage to itself.

The bottom line in that is that the Biden administration is showing a whole hell of a lot more concern for Israel than the Israeli government is showing for the United States, it's major supporter.

 

[snailspace]

You want Hamas to survive

 

[RobDownSouth]

You want Hamas to survive

And you want Israeli genocide to continue unabated.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I find this ironic coming from that hypocrite Biden; which was quickly swept under the media carpet. He, Biden, was never held to account for his fuck up, trying to use the attack for political reasons, an overzealous reactionary tactical strike seizing an attempt to coverup his total fuckup in Afghanistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776202052768543007

Yeah, that one was just a “tragic mistake” that occurred in “the fog of war.”

 

[vietato]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776128275682582651

 

[vietato]

And you want Israeli genocide to continue unabated.

there are NO DEATHS in Gaza. My sources have confirmed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776128275682582651

 

[ll74]

there are NO DEATHS in Gaza. My sources have confirmed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776128275682582651

Duplicate post (of your own)

 

[vietato]

5.5M killed in Congo: https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg500K killed in Syria https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg500K killed in Sudan https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg400K killed in Yemen: https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg300K killed in Iraq: https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg250K killed in Afghanistan: https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg30K killed in Gaza: GENOCIDE!!!.....Or so says HAMAS!
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f631.svg



No Jews, no news. You care about Gaza only because of your antisemitism.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Busybody is increasingly desparate to justify Israeli ethnic cleansing.
In other news, Israel propaganda has deteriorated to the point where it is considered the butt of jokes...
https://i.imgur.com/W5SvWlO.jpeg

 

[vietato]

Ethnic cleansing? LINK>?


5.5M killed in Congo:
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg
500K killed in Syria
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg
500K killed in Sudan
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg
400K killed in Yemen:
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg
300K killed in Iraq:
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg
250K killed in Afghanistan:
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f971.svg
30K killed in Gaza: GENOCIDE!!!.....Or so says HAMAS!

https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f631.svg




No Jews, no news. You care about Gaza only because of your antisemitism.

 

[SmokingFap]

Shoot first, ask questions later, right, Israel?

 

[RobDownSouth]

13,000 dead isn't enough for your bloodlust, Busybody?
What's the threshold for ethnic cleansing then?
Hmm?

 

[vietato]

13K dead, where>?

 

[vietato]

13,000 dead isn't enough for your bloodlust, Busybody?
What's the threshold for ethnic cleansing then?
Hmm?

POOP, Link?