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[RobDownSouth]

Rob goes into mourning

Thoughts and prayers

https://twitter.com/x/status/1774827393082929377

You cheer when people you like attack diplomatic consuls of countries you don't like.
yet you impotently splutter "but but Bengahzi!" when people you don't like attack American consulates.

Bit of a double standard, no?

 

[vietato]

Whiner, STFU

Totz n Play Errz

 

[RobDownSouth]

who the fuck is this Muslim

Sulaiman Ahmed

He's the guy that posts videos of Gazan detainees bound with zip ties and shot through the head.
Absolutely fucks up the Israeli "version of events" by posting videos on TikTok.
That's why Israel is pulling out all stops to get control of TikTok postings in the USA.
They want to reclaim "the Narrative".

 

[RobDownSouth]

Whiner, STFU

Totz n Play Errz

Eat kosher shit and die.

 

[snailspace]

He's the guy that posts videos of Gazan detainees bound with zip ties and shot through the head.
Absolutely fucks up the Israeli "version of events" by posting videos on TikTok.
That's why Israel is pulling out all stops to get control of TikTok postings in the USA.
They want to reclaim "the Narrative".

Fake videos from Syria atrocities n Yemen atrocities

 

[snailspace]

Eat kosher shit and die.

Eventually

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

fake numbers

there are ZERO dead or injured

my sources are as accurate as are yours

You’re mentally ill, surely. No one is this evil when confronted with so much evidence to the contrary?

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

The drumbeat of genocide actually comes from Iran, Hezbollah, HAMAS, Syria, and others. HAMAS being a proxy of Iran actually carried through an attempted genocidal campaign. Israel should never capitulate. Palestinians are not this pure peace loving people without sin. They teach their children to hate Jews. HAMAS needs to go, the sooner the better. If aid can be securely administered then by all means do it. My question is how do you keep humanitarian supplies out of the hands of HAMAS. Supplies that end up in the hands of HAMAS only prolongs the conflict.

Women and children caught up in an asymmetrical conflict especially one where their leadership uses innocence as shield always suffer unjustly, that was a gamble HAMAS took to attain global sympathy and its working.

I live in a community of Palestinians and Jews. They’re all lovely people and are nothing like you describe.

The argument that humanitarian aid ends up in Hamas’ hands is baseless and is presented time and time again with no evidence of this actually happening.

Aid agencies say the greatest threat is from Israel, as does the United Nations. Who do you believe?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fake videos from Syria atrocities n Yemen atrocities

Yes yes, Jewish Space Lasers.
We understand your need to man-splain any Israeli atrocities.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I want Hamas gone too

Israel propped up Hamas as a counterweight to Fatah and the PLO.

 

[RandyRebecca]

In the intell world, there's an operation referred to as a "planned accident." The Netanyahu folks in Israel don't want any aid getting into Gaza. They consider it all as support directly for Hamas and don't see anyone in all of this except for Hamas. As time goes on, this looks increasingly like a planned accident to serve Netanyahu goals. If it walks like a duck . . .

All Netanyahu cares about is keeping himself in power and out of prison. That means the continuation of the war for as long as possible. And because of Biden's actions of supporting Israel as strongly as he did for months after October 7, he has made the electoral interests of himself and Netanyahu's incompatible with each other. Netanyahu, and therefore the crazy Zionist lobbies in the US like AIPAC and the ADL, will seek to continue the war, get Biden out, and Trump and the Republicans in. There will become greater pressure on those Jews who see themselves as "liberals" and "Zionists" to choose one or the other. That prepares the ground for greater blame games and culture wars in the future.

 

[RandyRebecca]

B
D
S

Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. That against Israel is precisely what has been needed since the BDS campaign started in July 2005.

 

[ll74]

Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. That against Israel is precisely what has been needed since the BDS campaign started in July 2005.

That's not what it stands for. But you and Reichy can keep trying

 

[icanhelp1]

I live in a community of Palestinians and Jews. They’re all lovely people and are nothing like you describe.

The argument that humanitarian aid ends up in Hamas’ hands is baseless and is presented time and time again with no evidence of this actually happening.

Aid agencies say the greatest threat is from Israel, as does the United Nations. Who do you believe?

I’m fully aware that there are Palestinians that commute back and forth to work and schools between Jerusalem and their home towns that have developed a mutual respect and in many cases close ties of friendship. Don’t know the breakdown between Christians and Muslims but there are areas that get along.

Billions of dollars have been given to Palestinians which end up being used to build tunnel systems and acquire weapons while the Palestinians live in 13th century squalor.

It’s a modern day tragedy what’s happening. There are no easy wining solutions to asymmetrical warfare where the enemy lives amongst the populous.

Eradicating HAMAS will bring some sort of peace and rebuilding and the whole world will lend a hand.

Iran needs to suffer consequences for promoting these proxy wars. Biden needs to toughen up on Iran sanctions. A broke Iran can’t fund all these proxies. Oversimplified but no one on lit can solve these complex problems. No one wants the killing of innocent women and children, Israel has a right to live in peace.

 

[vietato]

The peace loving Gaza citizens worked in the towns in Israel and then told the terrorists where the vulnerabe areas were and participated in the attacks

kill em all

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

That's not what it stands for. But you and Reichy can keep trying

That is literally what it stands for.

https://bdsmovement.net/

The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.

You can get in the bin as well with some of your nonsense.

 

[ll74]

That is literally what it stands for.

https://bdsmovement.net/

Incorrect.

Biden
Derangement
Syndrome

That's what it stands for

Hope this helps

You can get in the bin as well with some of your nonsense.

I don't give a fuck

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

I’m fully aware that there are Palestinians that commute back and forth to work and schools between Jerusalem and their home towns that have developed a mutual respect and in many cases close ties of friendship. Don’t know the breakdown between Christians and Muslims but there are areas that get along.

Billions of dollars have been given to Palestinians which end up being used to build tunnel systems and acquire weapons while the Palestinians live in 13th century squalor.

How many photographs or videos of tunnel systems have you seen in six months?

How have these miraculous tunnel systems been built when there’s been a building materials ban by Israel into Gaza for over a decade?

I’m in civils, I know how tunnels are built and maintained. It has been the biggest red flag for me going that we haven’t got any concrete evidence of these tunnel systems from the IDF and Israel yet.

There may be limited tunnelling, sure, but the “vast network” that just so happens to be under hospitals - no evidence given in six months. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?

You keep saying “Billions given to Palestinians” but you haven’t cited a single source.

Palestine and Palestinians are among some of the poorest nations on the planet. The “billions” given in aid is funnelled mostly into UNWRA or other aid agencies.

Hamas’ capabilities are almost entirely improvised weaponry and AK47s or similar smuggled in guns.

They’re not exactly an army and they have shown virtually nothing of the so called billions “given to Palestinians” for it.

It’s a modern day tragedy what’s happening. There are no easy wining solutions to asymmetrical warfare where the enemy lives amongst the populous.

Eradicating HAMAS will bring some sort of peace and rebuilding and the whole world will lend a hand.

Iran needs to suffer consequences for promoting these proxy wars. Biden needs to toughen up on Iran sanctions. A broke Iran can’t fund all these proxies. Oversimplified but no one on lit can solve these complex problems. No one wants the killing of innocent women and children, Israel has a right to live in peace.

Who bombed whose consulate?

Which country has an apartheid system in place?

Which country has spent decades violently “settling” / stealing anther country’s and people’s lands, killing them daily?

Which county has killed 33,000 civilians and destroyed an entire country’s infrastructure?

Which country is being investigated for genocide at both of the highest courts in the world?

Israel is not the innocent party here.

Israel if it wants to live in peace in the Middle East should abide by international humanitarian law and stop killing Palestinians daily, and stop aggressive moves like firing missiles over its borders into other sovereign nations.

Palestine and its Palestinians also deserves to be free and living in peace. The Israelis in Israel get a damn sight lot more freedom and peace than anyone else around them in the region does, due to their own actions.

Absolute fucking joke some of the pro Israeli posters on here.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

The peace loving Gaza citizens worked in the towns in Israel and then told the terrorists where the vulnerabe areas were and participated in the attacks

kill em all

Genocidal nut job. Get in the bin you ghoul.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Experts analyse possible scenarios for how Israeli airstrike on World Kitchen Central Gaza aid convoy played out​

Three foreign aid food relief trucks, spaced 1 km apart each, were targeted and blown up by Israeli pilots, despite the food trucks coordinating with the IDF beforehand.

Deliberate sabotage of food relief.
Worse than fucking Nazis. The IDF has no honor. Untermensch.

 

[ll74]

Experts analyse possible scenarios for how Israeli airstrike on World Kitchen Central Gaza aid convoy played out​

Three foreign aid food relief trucks, spaced 1 km apart each, were targeted and blown up by Israeli pilots, despite the food trucks coordinating with the IDF beforehand.

Deliberate sabotage of food relief.
Worse than fucking Nazis. The IDF has no honor. Untermensch.

The fog of war is dense

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Hamas is certainly having success in the US. Biden Administration support for Israel is wavering more and more under domestic political pressure from progressives that’s intensifying by the day. The Democratic National Convention this summer could get really ugly.

A group called Behind Enemy Lines is seeking to have the city of Chicago cancel the event. It’s highly unlikely that will happen so they have a Plan B. The group’s leader says they want to “make bruises from Chicago police batons the 2024 back-to-school Fall fashion.”

https://progressive.org/latest/behi...ine-support-beyond-the-ballot-brant-20240401/

“What evidence is there that the lives of oppressed people actually improve when Democrats are in office?” he asks.
———————
“When [Democrats] come and blackmail you in August and September and October [saying] ‘Donald Trump is going to do this and that,’ ” Boyte says, “remember how you felt when [Israel] first bombed a hospital. Remember how you felt when you first heard about doctors performing surgery without anesthesia. Remember how you felt when you found out that two million people have been displaced from their homes . . . . And that’s what they’re trying to make you forget.”

As a part of their current organizing, the group has an ambitious plan for this summer: canceling the Democratic National Convention (DNC), scheduled to be held in Chicago during mid-August.

“Behind Enemy Lines Anti-Imperialist Resistance is currently waging a campaign to demand the City of Chicago cancel the Democratic National Convention . . . due to Biden and the Democratic Party’s material, moral, and political support for Israel’s occupation, apartheid, and genocidal war,” reads an Instagram postfrom the organization. “But if our demand is not met, we’ve got a backup plan: mobilize the broadest possible opposition in Chicago to the DNC while calling on anti-imperialist students and youth to flood the city, organize its residents to protest, and be on the frontlines of those protests with the goal of preventing the coronation of Genocide Joe.”

 

[ll74]

Hamas is certainly having success in the US. Biden Administration support for Israel is wavering more and more under domestic political pressure from progressives that’s intensifying by the day. The Democratic National Convention this summer could get really ugly.

A group called Behind Enemy Lines is seeking to have the city of Chicago cancel the event. It’s highly unlikely that will happen so they have a Plan B. The group’s leader says they want to “make bruises from Chicago police batons the 2024 back-to-school Fall fashion.”

https://progressive.org/latest/behi...ine-support-beyond-the-ballot-brant-20240401/

“What evidence is there that the lives of oppressed people actually improve when Democrats are in office?” he asks.
———————
“When [Democrats] come and blackmail you in August and September and October [saying] ‘Donald Trump is going to do this and that,’ ” Boyte says, “remember how you felt when [Israel] first bombed a hospital. Remember how you felt when you first heard about doctors performing surgery without anesthesia. Remember how you felt when you found out that two million people have been displaced from their homes . . . . And that’s what they’re trying to make you forget.”

As a part of their current organizing, the group has an ambitious plan for this summer: canceling the Democratic National Convention (DNC), scheduled to be held in Chicago during mid-August.

“Behind Enemy Lines Anti-Imperialist Resistance is currently waging a campaign to demand the City of Chicago cancel the Democratic National Convention . . . due to Biden and the Democratic Party’s material, moral, and political support for Israel’s occupation, apartheid, and genocidal war,” reads an Instagram postfrom the organization. “But if our demand is not met, we’ve got a backup plan: mobilize the broadest possible opposition in Chicago to the DNC while calling on anti-imperialist students and youth to flood the city, organize its residents to protest, and be on the frontlines of those protests with the goal of preventing the coronation of Genocide Joe.”

We haven't stopped sending weapons and aid to Israel at all. (Minus Congress slow walking a new amount) And we haven't even enforced our own laws in regards to that money.

All Biden has done is ask Netanyahu to let aid through and be more careful with their bombing.

Biden has political pressure to do more, but he won't.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

We haven't stopped sending weapons and aid to Israel at all. (Minus Congress slow walking a new amount) And we haven't even enforced our own laws in regards to that money.

All Biden has done is ask Netanyahu to let aid through and be more careful with their bombing.

Biden has political pressure to do more, but he won't.

No, but yesterday he amped up his call for an immediate cease fire and threatened policy changes at the same time Israel is bracing for the likelihood of an attack from Iran. Instead of relentlessly demanding that Hamas immediately release the hostages, he’s undermining Israel’s leverage by pressuring them to quickly negotiate a deal. Hamas has to be pleased with the domestic political pandering to pro Palestinian progressives it’s seeing from the White House.

 

[ll74]

No, but yesterday he amped up his call for an immediate cease fire and threatened policy changes at the same time Israel is bracing for the likelihood of an attack from Iran. Instead of relentlessly demanding that Hamas immediately release the hostages, he’s undermining Israel’s leverage by pressuring them to quickly negotiate a deal. Hamas has to be pleased with the domestic political pandering to pro Palestinian progressives it’s seeing from the White House.

Of course he did. Israel is actively blocking aid which is completely against our funding laws.

But we're still sending aid and weapons and our policy hasn't changed. Rhetoric is not the same as action.... The political tightrope is mostly words.