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[ShandyLeer]

I very much doubt it! The UK has very little standing in Israel.

All the more reason to do it then.

 

[silky52]

All the more reason to do it then.

You would need the agreement of the Arabs for that, which is unlikely. They have been offered such solutions numerous times, but all they can do is sing: From the river to the sea!! I hope you realise how serious that is, and exactly what they mean. If you don't, then just take a look at what happened on October 7th!

 

[ShandyLeer]

You would need the agreement of the Arabs for that, which is unlikely. They have been offered such solutions numerous times, but all they can do is sing: From the river to the sea!! I hope you realise how serious that is, and exactly what they mean. If you don't, then just take a look at what happened on October 7th!

I think the intent is symbolic. Everyone knows a fix that doesn’t result in a state for the Palestinians isn’t a fix at all. They are no less, and no more, entitled to that than you are.

I totally understand the significance of the insinuation of the words and the history the Palestinian leadership has over the years of getting to the point of a deal then backing out. I get it that Israel is surrounded by enemies of one sort or another, and is a perpetual powder keg.

Its why a proper peace deal would be welcome, except to messianic headcases.

 

[silky52]

I think the intent is symbolic. Everyone knows a fix that doesn’t result in a state for the Palestinians isn’t a fix at all. They are no less, and no more, entitled to that than you are.

I totally understand the significance of the insinuation of the words and the history the Palestinian leadership has over the years of getting to the point of a deal then backing out. I get it that Israel is surrounded by enemies of one sort or another, and is a perpetual powder keg.

Its why a proper peace deal would be welcome, except to messianic headcases.

We need a real peace, with people who don't hate us. I do believe that most of the so-called Israeli-Arabs would be up for it. However, what are you going to do, herd all the Arabs that live in Israel into a Palestinian State? It's a terrible dilemma, and up to recently I have always believed that those who wish to should live in their own state. The question is would they leave us alone then? Would there be no more trouble? Would there be no more slaughter? It's not what Hamas-ISIS and their ilk are after. They are after the destruction of the Jewish people from the river to the sea. Nothing new about that, antisemitism has been around since the Jews refused to convert to Islam! It's all so sad.

 

[ll74]

We need a real peace, with people who don't hate us. I do believe that most of the so-called Israeli-Arabs would be up for it. However, what are you going to do, herd all the Arabs that live in Israel into a Palestinian State? It's a terrible dilemma, and up to recently I have always believed that those who wish to should live in their own state. The question is would they leave us alone then? Would there be no more trouble? Would there be no more slaughter? It's not what Hamas-ISIS and their ilk are after. They are after the destruction of the Jewish people from the river to the sea. Nothing new about that, antisemitism has been around since the Jews refused to convert to Islam! It's all so sad.

You can have real peace with people who do hate you.

 

[silky52]

You can have real peace with people who do hate you.

Indeed!! You are pretty naive, if you think that, and have never come across a Hamas-ISIS operative!! Have you ever been to the Middle East?

 

[ll74]

Indeed!! You are pretty naive, if you think that, and have never come across a Hamas-ISIS operative!! Have you ever been to the Middle East?

You keep saying that.

Peace is always achievable.

Those who say "but those people..." are typically the ones who make it difficult.

 

[silky52]

You keep saying that.

Peace is always achievable.

Those who say "but those people..." are typically the ones who make it difficult.

Yes, you are right peace is achievable, but my dear, dear peace lover (as am I), you just don't get it! There are indeed few people who do get it. I suggest that you listen to Douglas Murray. He totally gets what Islamists are up to, not just in Israel, but all over the world.

 

[ll74]

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Yes, you are right peace is achievable, but my dear, dear peace lover (as am I), you just don't get it! There are indeed few people who do get it. I suggest that you listen to Douglas Murray. He totally gets what Islamists are up to, not just in Israel, but all over the world.

I get that you continually blame Palestinians and exonerate Israel. I don't really care why you feel your position is superior.

Either you want peace or you don't

 

[silky52]

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I get that you continually blame Palestinians and exonerate Israel. I don't really care why you feel your position is superior.

Either you want peace or you don't

It is NOT superior! I am not a terrorist, and I have not committed crimes against humanity, they have. You don't seem to be able to grasp these facts! Do you deny October 7th? Are you so wokked out that you cannot see the truth?

 

[ll74]

It is NOT superior! I am not a terrorist, and I have not committed crimes against humanity, they have. You don't seem to be able to grasp these facts! Do you deny October 7th? Are you so wokked out that you cannot see the truth?

It is not superior.....except this is why I'm right and you're wrong.

Lmao

You want peace for Israel. Not peace overall.

 

[silky52]

It is not superior.....except this is why I'm right and you're wrong.

Lmao

You want peace for Israel. Not peace overall.

Only time will tell, who is right and who is wrong. Not you, or me! I very much hope that I am wrong. History tells the same story!

 

[ll74]

Only time will tell, who is right and who is wrong. Not you, or me! I very much hope that I am wrong. History tells the same story!

What is your perspective and what are you right about?

My perspective is that people who don't seek peace should be removed from leadership. Can you explain how I am wrong?

 

[silky52]

What is your perspective and what are you right about?

My perspective is that people who don't seek peace should be removed from leadership. Can you explain how I am wrong?

It's not that black and white! Wokism is what you are talking about! You are completely wrong about that. I don't believe that peace can be achieved at the moment, not with Hamas-ISIS. They don't want peace, they want to destroy the Jewish people. As I said, you obviously don't believe that October 7th happened.... or, if you do what it all meant!

Below is a video that you should listen to and perhaps understand what I am talking about.

 

[ll74]

It's not that black and white! Wokism is what you are talking about! You are completely wrong about that. I don't believe that peace can be achieved at the moment, not with Hamas-ISIS. They don't want peace, they want to destroy the Jewish people. As I said, you obviously don't believe that October 7th happened.... or, if you do what it all meant!

Below is a video that you should listen to and perhaps understand what I am talking about.

So you don't agree that people who aren't seeking peace should be removed from leadership? I understand that you blame Hamas for the violence.

I don't need to watch a video.

 

[silky52]

So you don't agree that people who aren't seeking peace should be removed from leadership? I understand that you blame Hamas for the violence.

I don't need to watch a video.

Of course you don't need to watch the video, but you might learn something, unless you know everything!!

You are wrong because no one knows everything, least of all me or you, and you are steadfast in your incorrect views, which you do not seek to investigate!

I said that it's not black and white. PM is seeking peace, but not at all costs, such as from the river to the sea!!!! Or releasing thousands of terrorists with the blood of Israelis on their hands. So that they can come back and murder, rape, behead, burn and mutilate Israelis including men, women, children and babies AGAIN in our beds!

 

[ll74]

Of course you don't need to watch the video, but you might learn something, unless you know everything!!

Videos created by people contain narratives by those people. Not interested.

You are wrong because no one knows everything, least of all me or you, and you are steadfast in your incorrect views, which you do not seek to investigate!

I've never claimed to know everything, nor have I claimed my position is superior.

I said that it's not black and white. PM is seeking peace, but not at all costs, such as from the river to the sea!!!! Or releasing thousands of terrorists with the blood of Israelis on their hands. So that they can come back and murder, rape, behead, burn and mutilate Israelis including men, women, children and babies AGAIN in our beds!

Israel is not seeking peace.

 

[silky52]

Videos created by people contain narratives by those people. Not interested.



I've never claimed to know everything, nor have I claimed my position is superior.


Israel is not seeking peace.

Your words say that you think you know everything!!

Anyone who thinks that they know everything thinks their opinions are superior too, such as your last comment.

Absolute, BS!

 

[ll74]

Your words say that you think you know everything!!

I know that peace is better than war and that leadership does not want peace currently. That has been demonstrated every day.

Anyone who thinks that they know everything thinks their opinions are superior too, such as your last comment.

I don't know everything. I also don't trust people who blame one side consistently.

Absolute, BS!

If Israel was seeking peace, they wouldn't be carrying out bombing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

My feeling is we should go after Iran, they use proxies for a reason, to protect themselves from blame. We have hit them in the past and they've done nothing. We need to hit them again and when doing so forget this nonsense about a "proportional response." If we do hit them, it should be with overwhelming force with a crippling result if we're looking for effective deterrence. The targets should be their leadership, strategic economic targets, and or their ability to make war, including their nuclear capabilities.

In two decades of shitposting, under a myriad of usernames and backstories, there have been two constants in your time here: your fascination with men's genitalia and bodily fluids; and your insistence on military strikes as a first option to perceived threats, both real and imagined.

Your insistence on seeing the world in terms of absolute black or absolute white shows the drawbacks inherent in the lack of critical thinking. Therapy might've helped when you were younger, alas, you're beyond redemption now.

So we'll sit here and shake our heads sadly at the trainwreck of a man you've become. You had so little potential to begin with, but you somehow managed to fritter that away as well.

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752429990900109518

 

[policywank]

I don't think that I can realistically put myself in the shoes of an Israeli in this conflict, but in principle if I were an Israeli I would want a leader(s) who is interested in peace.

While I do believe that Israel in general is more interested in peace than their neighbours it does seem that there are some more extreme individuals who don't share this view. Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by just such an individual and there are ample examples of Jewish extremists actions to further this point. But I have no idea just how much sway those individuals hold in Israeli politics. Reality is that every country has its extremists and every democratic country gives them some voice. If we took the comments of the most extreme politician in any country as representative of the population or the government that would be both alarming and misleading. As a Canadian I see Americans as our friend and neighbour and cousin in many ways - but there are some serious whack jobs in positions of power just as there is here in Canada (although we have a bigger problem with woke pussies, but that is another story) and I have paid close enough attention for long enough to know that they aren't necessarily representative of the population or the leadership. Democracy can be messy and Israel in particular is known for its somewhat messy democracy. But it must be said that it is the only democracy in the region and I do believe that there would be a lot less turmoil if their hostile neighbours also had to answer to their people. All that is to say I don't have a good bead on just how much the current leadership is or isn't interested in peace.

What I do know is that whether or not they are sufficiently invested or interested in peace cannot simply be observed from whether or not they engage in hostile acts and sadly yes that does include hostile acts that affect innocent civilians. History and our daily lives are filled with examples of people who were compelled to use force to make the peace. Meanwhile the often devastating impact on civilian infrastructure and lives is well established.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Israel's actions in Gaza are necessary or justified. I am just saying that the fact that the results are unpleasant and unsettling is not the only deciding factor in my mind. It is a factor. It just isn't the only factor.

One of the important factors is the intent of the enemy. Consider the major conflicts of the middle of the last century. The Cold War was characterized by deep distrust and animosity. And in many ways both sides would like to have brought the other side to their way of thinking or even conquer them in some political sense. But - notwithstanding rhetoric - neither side was bound and determined to destroy the other. So, aside from the occasional flair up we mostly agreed to dislike each other but not enter actual military hostilities. Conversely WW2 was characterized by a murderous genocidal regime intent on conquest and destruction. There was no choice. It was them our us.

Now with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight what was the Allies biggest mistake in WW2? It came before the war. It was giving the Nazis enough time and space to get strong enough to pursue their goals of genocide and conquest because we didn't take them at their word as to the true nature of their intentions. We arrogantly believed that we could win them over with diplomacy and that if that failed we had sufficient military strength to defeat them. And we clung to that faint hope until it was damn near too late. Ring any bells?

Does that mean Israels actions in Gaza are necessary and justified. No it doesn't. It just means we need to look at everything and not just focus on the parts that are unpleasant.

 

[Rightguide]

I hope you are wrong. He's a liar, a thief, narcissist and trying to escape prosecution. He will not admit responsibility for the atrocities that were committed by Hamas-ISIS on October 7th. He is a coward. However, you are right he has a lot of supporters, both in Israel and abroad. I sincerely hope he does not get in again. Just like the US we need new blood and maybe someone who is only partially corrupt. IMHO all politicians are corrupt.

He is what he is, but It's up to the Israeli people to decide.

 

[silky52]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752429990900109518

Shame you don't like other people's much more real posted links. Shame on you for posting this!!

 

[ll74]

Shame you don't like other people's much more real posted links. Shame on you for posting this!!

Lol, what does that even mean?

This is literally a view of refugees fleeing.