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[ll74]

I don't trust this source, though IDF has been in the area reported to be where he is. If I get better sources, I will provide it. Please do so if you also have one

https://twitter.com/x/status/1732461530224943307

 

[RandyRebecca]

The worst phrase in world politics right now is "Israel has the right to defend itself". That's a bit like saying that apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany has the right to defend itself.

Genocide. Israel now attacking South Gaza telling Palestinians to leave. Leave where? And Biden supports it. Disgusting.

Truly sickening, and all the apologists for him. Imagine what a lot of Germans would have said circa 1942-1945 about the crimes of the government, the authorities and its armed forces. All sorts of excuses, no doubt, of looking the other way, pretending that the war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide isn't really that bad.

For years I have held the position that "Anti-Zionism" was not "Anti-Semetic", i.e. one could criticize Netanyahu's genocidal government policies towards Gaza without being accused of being religious bigotry against the entire Jewish faith.

The United States House of Representatives passed a highly partisan resolution yesterday that stated unequivocally that "Anti-Semtism" and "Anti-Zionism" were, in fact, synonymous.

I don't give a shit what the House says is "anti-semitic". They are supporters of racist apartheid, ethnic cleansing and potential genocide, and will be condemned by history.

The vote was something like 300-14 with 95 or so congressmen voting "present". Two Jewish representatives (both sponsors of this resolution) voted in favor, every other Jewish representative voted "Present".

It just destroys the credibility of the US establishment and its institutions all the quicker. Which, in turn, means that more people won't give a damn about opposing future January 6 attempts since the status quo is rotten to the core.

 

[ll74]

The worst phrase in world politics right now is "Israel has the right to defend itself".

Yes, because you don't think that they do.

 

[Northernlands]

ALL of the Arab residents of Israel the DID NOT take up arms against the Jewish state are still residents, still retain their property, vote in elections, and are represented in the Knesset.

How many of the +250k palestinians in east jerusalem are allowed to vote. None, because they count as residents not citizens since being annexed in the 60s

There are over 2 million people in Israels territory that does not have voting rights. Guess who doesnt, resident, not citizen

21% of the population(palestinians) live on 3% of the land. But they can keep their property right. A palestinian is allowed to lease land from the state that owns 97% of the land? No they cant.

The palestinians expelled 1947 had their land confiscated by the state no?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yes, because you don't think that they do.

Israel are carrying out ethnic cleansing and potential genocide. They are not the victims, but the brutal imperialist oppressors who are committing war crimes.

 

[ll74]

Israel are carrying out ethnic cleansing and potential genocide. They are not the victims, but the brutal imperialist oppressors who are committing war crimes.

They were victims on October 7. You can't admit that...sorry

 

[RandyRebecca]

They were victims on October 7. You can't admit that...sorry

Like Reinhard Heydrich was a victim when he was assassinted? The Nazis used this assassination to raze Lidice and Lezaky to the ground, with all males over 14 being executed, and the women and children mostly dying in camps later on. I'm sure the Nazis "had a right to defend themselves".

 

[ll74]

Like Reinhard Heydrich was a victim when he was assassinted? The Nazis used this assassination to raze Lidice and Lezaky to the ground, with all males over 14 being executed, and the women and children mostly dying in camps later on. I'm sure the Nazis "had a right to defend themselves".

Did Hamas attack Israeli civilians on October 7?

Yes.

Don't give a shit about your Nazi comparisons. If you can't admit simple truths, it's because you want to bullshit.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Did Hamas attack Israeli civilians on October 7?

Yes.

Don't give a shit about your Nazi comparisons. If you can't admit simple truths, it's because you want to bullshit.

Israel are the brutal oppressors, not the victims. October 7 didn't appear out of nowhere, but is a result of years and decades of oppressing Palestinians.

 

[ll74]

Israel are the brutal oppressors, not the victims. October 7 didn't appear out of nowhere, but is a result of years and decades of oppressing Palestinians.

Yes, you believe October 7 killing of innocent Israelis is fine

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yes, you believe October 7 killing of innocent Israelis is fine

Israel's actions since October 7 have already created the next generation of Palestinian resistance fighters, no matter what the name of the organization is. "Hamas" is just a name, which Netanyahu supported against the mostly secular Fatah.

 

[ll74]

Israel's actions since October 7 have already created the next generation of Palestinian resistance fighters, no matter what the name of the organization is. "Hamas" is just a name, which Netanyahu supported against the mostly secular Fatah.

You deflect incredibly well.

 

[RandyRebecca]

You deflect incredibly well.

You keep avoiding the truth.

 

[ll74]

You keep avoiding the truth.

The truth is that Hamas kidnapped, raped and killed Israelis on October 7.

You think it's justified and refuse to acknowledge that Israeli civilians were murdered.

That's the truth.

You don't care about human deaths..else you'd care about that.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Freely available. Google is your friend. The NYT broke the news.

Why should I stop embarrassing you? A genocide supporter.

Those who base arguments on factual assertions have the obligation to prove those factual assertions.

 

[ll74]

You keep avoiding the truth.

Question dipshit - do you believe Iran should stop being a theocracy also?

 

[Northernlands]

I think the overarching issue here is that Palestinians are being oppressed and denied their humanity.

 

[ll74]

I think the overarching issue here is that Palestinians are being oppressed and denied their humanity

And Israelis have also been oppressed and denied their humanity.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Question dipshit - do you believe Iran should stop being a theocracy also?

You're damn right I do. The Mullahs hijacked the Iranian Revolution.

And to go further back and look at the roots of the Iran situation, just realize what Eisenhower and Churchill supported in 1953, i.e. overthrowing the democratically elected Iranian government and installing the hated Shah as a puppet dictator, who ruled with an iron fist for the next quarter of a century. Why was the Mossadegh government overthrown in 1953? The oil and trade routes, of course. US and British imperialism is responsible for the rule of the Shahs and the Mullahs.

 

[ll74]

You're damn right I do. The Mullahs hijacked the Iranian Revolution.

And to go further back and look at the roots of the Iran situation, just realize what Eisenhower and Churchill supported in 1953, i.e. overthrowing the democratically elected Iranian government and reinstalling the hated Shah, who ruled with an iron fist for the next quarter of a century. Why was the Mossadegh government overthrown in 1953? The oil and trade routes, of course. US and British imperialism is responsible for the rule of the Shahs and the Mullahs.

Sure ya do

 

[RandyRebecca]

Sure ya do

Why the hell would I support the regime of the Mullahs? FFS.

 

[ll74]

Why the hell would I support the regime of the Mullahs? FFS.

You support a lot of stupid shit.

 

[ShandyLeer]

You're damn right I do. The Mullahs hijacked the Iranian Revolution.

And to go further back and look at the roots of the Iran situation, just realize what Eisenhower and Churchill supported in 1953, i.e. overthrowing the democratically elected Iranian government and installing the hated Shah as a puppet dictator, who ruled with an iron fist for the next quarter of a century. Why was the Mossadegh government overthrown in 1953? The oil and trade routes, of course. US and British imperialism is responsible for the rule of the Shahs and the Mullahs.

You can throw the French in the mix too.

But so what, it’s how business was done then. It’s early Cold War era politics, and the larger part of it is older than that.

You talk about oil and trade as if they were matters of minor significance.

 

[Northernlands]

And Israelis have also been oppressed and denied their humanity.

I'm talking about the years of being walled in and denied the ability to leave, denied medical aid. About the nature of the settlements in occupied territories, about being denied the right to vote, or belong to a nation, or even to demonstrate this oppession. That's not saying in the slightest that anyone deserved to be massacred. But as hinted towards, this situation has not come out of thin air, there is no progress to be made out of this war.

If you are refering to the holocaust and nazi germany, I will agree that you are right but how does 2 wrongs make a right. There can be no true peace until the plight of the Palestinian people are recognized and their humanity restored

 

[ll74]

I'm talking about the years of being walled in and denied the ability to leave, denied medical aid. About the nature of the settlements in occupied territories, about being denied the right to vote, or belong to a nation, or even to demonstrate this oppession. That's not saying in the slightest that anyone deserved to be massacred. But as hinted towards, this situation has not come out of thin air, there is no progress to be made out of this war.

If you are refering to the holocaust and nazi germany, I will agree that you are right but who does 2 wrongs make a right

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Also, multiple groups of people are involved that have been wronged for differing reasons.

They both deserve to have voices...even when shit seems stacked against one or the other