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[ll74]

Truce broken as fighting begins again. Both sides pointing the finger. It will be interesting to see information come out on this one. I think the WH jumped the gun on placing blame...they should've slow walked this one and let the other parties expose their narratives.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...el-hamas-agree-extend-truce-again-2023-12-01/

Israel and Hamas accused each other of wrecking the negotiations, though the White House singled out the Palestinian militant group, saying it had failed to produce a new list of hostages to release to enable an extension of the truce.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There are some ways around it. Luckily for stories with such large implications, there are plenty of non paywall sites.

Well I more meant if nobody is paying for new that is going to limit the number of sources we have available to us.

 

[Lazaran]

Of course it was a woman in the intelligence pipeline that raised the most concern… and was ignored.



Meanwhile, HAMAS is STILL responsible for conducting the heinous rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation on October 7th.

Israeli intelligence definitely dropped the ball, (maybe even intentionally), but HAMAS raped, tortured, murdered, and kidnapped the ball.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[cermin]

and some would believe this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730539952776081593

 

[ll74]

and some would believe this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730539952776081593

Why does it matter? You are the one who would celebrate if it were true anyway.

 

[Dribble]

This is interesting because they talk about how Hamas used dedicated phone lines to plan Oct 7

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-intelligence-intl/index.html

But have any pictures of that large, extensive Command and Operations Center under that hospital ever shown up? Why...in all the pictures shown...do we never see phone lines? Seems to me...they would be in every tunnel. Hence...what is the sense of having a tunnel?

Ever see the tunnels used by the Viet Kong? They had dedicated lines.

 

[cermin]

Some of you IDIOTS and JEW HATERS will believe this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730576512535925127

 

[cermin]

Some of you IDIOTS and JEW HATERS will believe this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730576512535925127

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reborn_doll#:~:text=A reborn doll is a,are referred to as reborners.

 

[butters]

Looking there. New report that Israel knew of Hamas's plans over a year ago. Did they do anything to protect their citizens? No. Why?

We know.

Israel sacrificed their citizens so that they could start their genocide. Jews constantly remind us that everyone wants to kill them. Maybe they should look at their Govt?

Edit: The 40 page report did not provide a date...but did outline the targets and plan which was followed EXACTLY by Hamas on Oct 7.

One year to prevent a terrorist act...and they did nothing. So the question really becomes...is it still a terrorist act if Israel could have prevented it?

your 'conclusions' are faulty, biased, and your attempt to give them a veneer of authenticity with "we know" falls flatter than a bull's sloppy shit

YES, the NYT broke the story; intelligence gathering DID not fail. 40 something pages of detailed information delivered a year ago but ignored as some 'aspirational' goal they were aiming at but could never possibly pull off...and then the women observers, reporting on the hamas activity in training and doing trial runs with drones etc..., were IGNORED.

a specialist in the Israel/Palestine situation (whose name i don't recall but who was speaking to this topic this morning on CNN) said it was a finger pointing at the command modules' sexism, with the introduction of certain people in high positions and their opinions about women. This may well extend to the very top. Netanyahu isn't likely to survive any political deep investigations over his actions, and it may well be HE, or several others holding positions of power, had the desire to move forward with wiping out hamas. THAT IS NOT the same as 'Israel sacrificed their citizens'; those few do not count as 'Israel' any more than hamas counts as Palestine or Palestinians.

Truce broken as fighting begins again. Both sides pointing the finger. It will be interesting to see information come out on this one. I think the WH jumped the gun on placing blame...they should've slow walked this one and let the other parties expose their narratives.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...el-hamas-agree-extend-truce-again-2023-12-01/

once again, i'm going on the reporting i listened to this morning but Israel is officially claiming it intercepted rockets being fired from the Gaza strip one whole hour before the truce had ended.

i might just go see if i can find the links:


https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...el-hamas-agree-extend-truce-again-2023-12-01/

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, ending a trip to the region, said Hamas had started firing rockets before the pause in hostilities expired, had carried out a deadly shooting attack in Jerusalem on Thursday and had not followed through on commitments on hostages.

"It came to an end because of Hamas. Hamas reneged on commitments it made," Blinken said

Washington managed to get in more aid trucks:

COGAT, the Israeli agency for civilian coordination with the Palestinians, said aid agreed under the truce had been stopped but, at Washington's request, "dozens" of other trucks with water, food and medical supplies had got through to Gaza.

Each of the warring sides blamed the other for causing the collapse of the truce by rejecting terms to extend the daily release of hostages held by militants in exchange for Palestinian detainees.
The pause, which began on Nov. 24, had been extended twice, and Israel had said it could continue as long as Hamas released 10 hostages each day. But after seven days during which women, children and foreign hostages were freed, mediators failed at the final hour to find a formula to release more, including Israeli soldiers and civilian men.

Israel accused Hamas of refusing to release all the women it held. A Palestinian official said the breakdown occurred over female Israeli soldiers.

 

[ll74]

your 'conclusions' are faulty, biased, and your attempt to give them a veneer of authenticity with "we know" falls flatter than a bull's sloppy shit

YES, the NYT broke the story; intelligence gathering DID not fail. 40 something pages of detailed information delivered a year ago but ignored as some goal they were aiming at but could never possibly pull off...and then the women observers, reporting on the hamas activity in training and doing trial runs with drones etc..., were IGNORED.

a specialist in the Israel/Palestine situation (whose name i don't recall but who was speaking to this topic this morning on CNN) said it was a finger pointing at the command modules' sexism, with the introduction of certain people in high positions and their opinions about women. This may well extend to the very top. Netanyahu isn't likely to survive any political deep investigations over his actions, and it may well be HE, or several others holding positions of power, had the desire to move forward with wiping out hamas. THAT IS NOT the same as 'Israel sacrificed their citizens'; those few do not count as 'Israel' any more than hamas counts as Palestine or Palestinians.




once again, i'm going on the reporting i listened to this morning but Israel is officially claiming it intercepted rockets being fired from the Gaza strip one whole hour before the truce had ended.

i might just go see if i can find the links:


https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...el-hamas-agree-extend-truce-again-2023-12-01/


Washington managed to get in more aid trucks:

I haven't yet seen any response from Hamas on how it believes Israel broke the truce. As has been the case, I'm sure RT.com will be providing those later. I'm getting more news from Hamas via Russia than any other channel lately.

 

[butters]

While the relentless terror theater persists, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has been attempting to alter the established protocol for releasing captives. Despite the resumption of hostilities, the negotiations remain active, though their failure looms as a significant risk.

Hamas, through Qatar and Egypt's mediation, had coordinated a new phase in the negotiations. However, Sinwar disrupted the process before 07:00. IDF forces in Gaza's western region grappled with how to respond to his armed militants. This tension escalated into an exchange of fire, prompting the deployment of fighter jets and subsequent rocket launches.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=d47e5a7ddb0a4988b9b726f071f3a038&ei=167

 

[RandyRebecca]

Hamas are very small fish when it comes to terrorism.

 

[ll74]

Hamas are very small fish when it comes to terrorism.

The scale of terrorism does not negate the actual terrorist acts.

 

[RandyRebecca]

The scale of terrorism does not negate the actual terrorist acts.

The Palestinians in Gaza are victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide, with nowhere to go. The people making Hamas out to be monsters have nothing to say about Israel's terrorism and apartheid regime (backed up by the US administrations for decades). They themselves have made a two-state solution impossible, and Netanyahu has backed Hamas in Gaza as a counterweight against Fatah in the West Bank with the aim of inciting more sectarianism and to prevent a Palestinian state.

The people who act like Hamas are the big monsters here are absolutely ridiculous. They insult people's intelligence.

 

[ll74]

The Palestinians in Gaza are victims of ethnic cleansing and genocide, with nowhere to go. The people making Hamas out to be monsters have nothing to say about Israel's terrorism and apartheid regime (backed up by the US administrations for decades). They themselves have made a two-state solution impossible, and Netanyahu has backed Hamas in Gaza as a counterweight against Fatah in the West Bank with the aim of inciting more sectarianism and to prevent a Palestinian state.

The people who act like Hamas are the big monsters here are absolutely ridiculous. They insult people's intelligence.

Neat deflection.

 

[Rotadom]

Isrealis watch bombs drop on Gaza.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/tmaqfwT7TP

 

[Dribble]

Genocide. Israel now attacking South Gaza telling Palestinians to leave. Leave where? And Biden supports it. Disgusting.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Genocide. Israel now attacking South Gaza telling Palestinians to leave. Leave where? And Biden supports it. Disgusting.

They cannot go anywhere because Arab-Muslim countries of the region DO NOT WANT THEM.

Now why is that? What part of that is just too hard to understand?

They voted for Hamas, Hamas said they were going to eradicate Israel, it was no secret agenda there, and I am a great believer in the maxim that, Ye can only reap what ye have sown.

None of this happened in a vacuum and shame on the West for all the money they gave to the fake nation of Palestine for humanitarian aid that got spent on concrete for tunnels and weapons of declared Mass Destruction and shame on anyone who wants to hold anyone in these territories harmless for what has befallen them and blame the true victims as the "aggressors."

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Isrealis watch bombs drop on Gaza.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/tmaqfwT7TP

They also watched the mostly peaceful incursions of terrorists into their nation and homes.

That show was just the pregame and now all of the Left's useful tools are rushing to the aid of terrorism.

 

[Rotadom]

They also watched the mostly peaceful incursions of terrorists into their nation and homes.

That show was just the pregame and now all of the Left's useful tools are rushing to the aid of terrorism.

"teh Left!"

Speaking of useful tools...

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/02/politics/harris-cop28-israel-gaza/index.html

Ummmmm Kamala...they are already being forced to relocate.

 

[ll74]

They voted for Hamas, Hamas said they were going to eradicate Israel, it was no secret agenda there, and I am a great believer in the maxim that, Ye can only reap what ye have sown.

The barely voted for Hamas in 2006. And haven't been able to vote since.

A majority havent supported them since 2012.

 

[ll74]

From my previous comment - Hamas won (barely) in 2006 with 44% of the vote. Followed by Fatah with 41%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#:~:text=The Central Elections Commission released,narrowly ahead on the lists

Afterward, Hamas took out much of Fatah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#:~:text=The Central Elections Commission released,narrowly ahead on the lists.

And yes, if you elect a tyrant, you'll get a tyrant...but elections have not been held since. The majority of Gaza is not old enough to have participated in that election.

The problem now is that Israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza....making more of the population resent them.


And no, I'm not saying that Hamas didn't start this escalation....but the bullshit discussion of Palestinians is bullshit. It's based on hatred and nothing else.

Edit: and for those who want to whine about wikipedia, please enjoy a bout of fuck off. Sources are included to support the statements made...I could provide each and every one, but so has them all at the bottom of each page. Yes, I've reviewed most of them.

 

[butters]

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