Climate continues to change.

[coati]

I am baffled by people who keep thinking the administration or the government can wave a wand and make something happen.

This is not a matter of government waving a wand-- it is a matter of government setting air quality and vehicle mileage standards, thus shifting the incentives.

We all need an atmosphere that will not heat up the earth to the point that floods our coastlines and causes massive societal disruption, especially for young people, their kids, their grandkids, etc. Right-wing boomers of today don't give a shit, because they will not experience the brunt during their brief and selfish lifetimes.
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Having said that, a big mistake made by those who advocate for stricter controls on greenhouse gas emissions is constantly saying that it is an economic winner in the short term. It is not. Any major conversion of this scale will require sacrifices by the current generations.

GHG emissions-reduction activists should not promise a renewable energy economic boom in the short term. Don't make promises you can't keep. That will only lead to selfish assholes like Trump getting elected and goosing the stock market by dropping all regulations and flooding the market with as much fossil fuel as possible.

Any cheap politician can play that trick, but it is equivalent to having a person with a heart condition go on an extended cocaine or meth binge. Yes, you may feel better in the short term. So what?

Long term, it does make economic sense to reduce GHG emissions as quickly as possible. Short term, it will require sacrifice. Can we develop a new "greatest generation"?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Right-wing boomers of today don't give a shit, because they will not experience the brunt during their brief and selfish lifetimes.
Long term, it does make economic sense to reduce GHG emissions as quickly as possible. Short term, it will require sacrifice. Can we develop a new "greatest generation"?

If you aren't prepared to give up the conveniences of modern Life and live in a mud hut hunting for food with a bow and arrow, then you are contributing to the problem.

Nobody, but NOBODY will ever give up their comforts. Old. Young. Whatever generation follows z. Nobody.

Reducing pollution and impact is a solid, conservative principle that should always be pursued. That's just common sense and has nothing to do with the politically and financially driven bullshit that is today's "climate change activism".

Now use that computer that a Boomer invented and designed and an 8 year old Chinese kid built for $0.20 a day in wages and drum up another insult. You can apply your education that a Boomer paid for and another set of Boomers taught you, to do it.

 

[coati]

If you aren't prepared to give up the conveniences of modern Life and live in a mud hut hunting for food with a bow and arrow, then you are contributing to the problem.

Nobody, but NOBODY will ever give up their comforts. Old. Young. Whatever generation follows z. Nobody.

Reducing pollution and impact is a solid, conservative principle that should always be pursued. That's just common sense and has nothing to do with the politically and financially driven bullshit that is today's "climate change activism".

Now use that computer that a Boomer invented and designed and an 8 year old Chinese kid built for $0.20 a day in wages and drum up another insult. You can apply your education that a Boomer paid for and another set of Boomers taught you, to do it.

^^^Oh my, look at the rabid butthurt over my reference to the right wing of the boomer generation.

BTW, I don't live in a mud hut or hunt for food with a bow and arrow, yet somehow I have reduced my GHG emissions for electricity, gas, and gasoline by 50% in the last decade. A lot more people and industries would do the same thing if they were considering the real long-term effects/costs of these GHG-emitting resources, but that probably won't happen unless these resources are taxed in order to start paying for these real long-term costs.

You right-wing boomers don't scare me with that cave man talk. You're part of the problem, not the solution, you selfish dinosaurs.

 

[Dribble]

This has nothing to do with the administration. If there is a new battery that is economical both as a fuel and for the price of a car, people would stampede to the dealers and wouldn't need government incentives.
In other words, if a certain motor company can produce an electric Mustang that can go 400 miles on one charge with the AC on and can recharge in a half-hour, and it's priced at $30,000, then Ford has built a better mouse trap.

I am baffled by people who keep thinking the administration or the government can wave a wand and make something happen.

When the Administration says, " we wont use any science to support anything we do" that is an issue. Watch out...I am about to spam you w 20 links backing this. Or let it go. Your choice.

 

[Conager]

When the Administration says, " we wont use any science to support anything we do" that is an issue. Watch out...I am about to spam you w 20 links backing this. Or let it go. Your choice.

Ok, virtue signaling Boomer.

Let us know when you have refurbished a used Prius or installed a non-subsidized solar or wind system, entirely off the grid.

 

[Dribble]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...-has-attacked-science-100-times-and-counting/

 

[Dribble]

I love this one...we wont use science when writing public health regulations

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/11/climate/epa-science-trump.html

 

[von_Bismarck]

The Downside of Solar Energy
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-downside-of-solar-energy/

Cheap At Last, Batteries Are Making a Solar Dream Come True
https://www.wired.com/story/cheap-at-last-batteries-are-making-a-solar-dream-come-true/

 

[gunthernehmen]

^^^Oh my, look at the rabid butthurt over my reference to the right wing of the boomer generation.

BTW, I don't live in a mud hut or hunt for food with a bow and arrow, yet somehow I have reduced my GHG emissions for electricity, gas, and gasoline by 50% in the last decade. A lot more people and industries would do the same thing if they were considering the real long-term effects/costs of these GHG-emitting resources, but that probably won't happen unless these resources are taxed in order to start paying for these real long-term costs.

You right-wing boomers don't scare me with that cave man talk. You're part of the problem, not the solution, you selfish dinosaurs.

Not butt hurt, just amused at your lack of insight.

Let me guess, you're part of the solution LOL

Chances are I'll be dead by the time you realize how badly you screwed up. Of course, so might you be.

 

[coati]

Not butt hurt, just amused at your lack of insight.

Let me guess, you're part of the solution LOL

Chances are I'll be dead by the time you realize how badly you screwed up. Of course, so might you be.

OK, boomer, back to your Disney World.

 

[phrodeau]

Not butt hurt, just amused at your lack of insight.

Let me guess, you're part of the solution LOL

Chances are I'll be dead by the time you realize how badly you screwed up. Of course, so might you be.

Oh dear, what will our grandchildren do if they can’t be dependent on multi-billion-dollar international corporations to keep their homes warm?

 

[gunthernehmen]

OK, boomer, back to your Disney World.

Back to Mom's basement with you, Z.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Oh dear, what will our grandchildren do if they can’t be dependent on multi-billion-dollar international corporations to keep their homes warm?

If the scammers will get out of the way, perhaps they'll just adjust the thermostat on the wall.

But if the likes of you get your way, I guess they'll head out to the woodshed, grab a few splits and toss them in the stove.

Your choice. Get your head out of fantasy land and reduce consumption, change generation where possible to nuclear and continue to pursue other technologies that look promising.

 

[Dribble]

Weird...we have thousands of highly educated people putting their actual name on documents stating their view of the issue....then on the other hand some pussy hiding behind anonymity of a porn board stating the opposite...who should I believe?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Weird...we have thousands of highly educated people putting their actual name on documents stating their view of the issue....then on the other hand some pussy hiding behind anonymity of a porn board stating the opposite...who should I believe?

8 told you before, Dribble. Go with your wallet.

 

[Dribble]

8 told you before, Dribble. Go with your wallet.

If I am sick...I go to a doctor, not my wallet. Problems w my teeth, a see a dentist, not my wallet. Fuck...my toilet is fucked up...call a plumber, dont listen a moron saying dont. Smart people, listen to professionals in their field. Dumb people, listen to inanimate things.

 

[gunthernehmen]

If I am sick...I go to a doctor, not my wallet. Problems w my teeth, a see a dentist, not my wallet. Fuck...my toilet is fucked up...call a plumber, dont listen a moron saying dont. Smart people, listen to professionals in their field. Dumb people, listen to inanimate things.

Yes, but the climate scammers are not professionals, except in skimming money off the system.

Sadly, they're so good at the long con that they've actually duped some otherwise bright people (and also you) into believing their stories.

Conserve energy because it's the right thing to do.

Strive to use energy and resources efficiently and cleanly for the same reasons you pack out your trash when you hike. Because it's the right thing to do.

Develop cleaner technologies for appropriate use, such as solar or wind, especially in remote or off grid places. Why? Because it's the right thing to do.

Leverage existing technologies (such as nuclear) to reduce our bulk dependence on fossil fuels both because fossil fuels aren't replenished (except in terms of hundreds of millions of years) but also because.... It's the right thing to do.

NOT because Al Gore and the other scammers want to make their fortunes on other people's misery but because... (fill in the blank)

To the extent that our activities are impacting the environment and climate in the first place, going about our business in that way (following conservative principles) will reduce the impact, perhaps even to a level that can be absorbed by the planet.

If shit keeps changing after that, then I guess the human impact wasn't as serious as Gore and his ilk have been preaching to you.

Let's find out, shall we?

Just stop with the giant solar farms in the desert bullshit, or the tidal generators. That crap will cause more devastation for YOUR grandkids to bitch about than anything MY generation did.

 

[Dribble]

Your generation...is a failure. 100%. All one has to do is read what you write. What an embarrassment you are to your parents.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Your generation...is a failure. 100%. All one has to do is read what you write. What an embarrassment you are to your parents.

Your generation...is a failure. 100%. All one has to do is read what you write. What an embarrassment you are to us.

Hey, kid. Good luck.

 

[trysail]

The snake oil salespeople promoting the notion of "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming" are like all salespeople— they find it convenient to believe whatever it is that they choose to believe notwithstanding weak-to-nonexistent evidence, flat-out contradictory evidence and massive unknowns.


It's as much a waste of time as trying to deal rationally with a bunch of superstitious medieval peasants.




by Judith A. Curry, Ph.D.
Professor & Chair, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences (emerita)
Georgia Institute of Technology
Ph.D., Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, 1982
NASA Advisory Council Earth Science Subcommittee
Fellow, American Meteorological Society
Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science
Fellow, American Geophysical Union

"...Fossil fuel emissions as the climate ‘control knob’ is a simple and seductive idea. However this is a misleading oversimplification, since climate can shift naturally in unexpected ways. Apart from uncertainties in future emissions, we are still facing a factor of 3 or more uncertainty in the sensitivity of the Earth’s temperature to increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We have no idea how natural climate variability (solar, volcanoes, ocean circulations) will play out in the 21st century, and whether or not natural variability will dominate over manmade warming.

We still don’t have a realistic assessment of how a warmer climate will impact us and whether it is ‘dangerous.’ We don’t have a good understanding of how warming will influence extreme weather events. Land use and exploitation by humans is a far bigger issue than climate change for species extinction and ecosystem health. Local sea level rise has many causes, and is dominated by sinking from land use in many of the most vulnerable locations.

We have been told that the science of climate change is ‘settled’. However, in climate science there has been a tension between the drive towards a scientific ‘consensus’ to support policy making, versus exploratory research that pushes forward the knowledge frontier. Climate science is characterized by a rapidly evolving knowledge base and disagreement among experts. Predictions of 21st century climate change are characterized by deep uncertainty.

Nevertheless, activist scientists and the media seize upon each extreme weather event as having the fingerprints of manmade climate change — ignoring the analyses of more sober scientists showing periods of even more extreme weather in the first half of the 20th century, when fossil fuel emissions were much smaller.

Alarming press releases are issued about each new climate model prediction of future catastrophes from famine, mass migrations, catastrophic fires, etc. Yet, these press releases don’t mention that these predicted catastrophes are associated with highly implausible assumptions about how much we might actually emit over the course of the 21st century. Further, issues such as famine, mass migrations and wildfires are caused primarily by government policies and ineptitude, lack of wealth and land use policies. Climate change matters, but it’s outweighed by other factors in terms of influencing human well being..."


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[Dribble]

It is all about a simple mentality...priorities.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ducation-as-richest-economies-fail-to-improve.

It is not an accident where development is occurring. If your parents believe they know best...their kids fail. If parents want their kids to have a better future, they work towards it. And their kids succeed.

We see this not just in education...but health care. Why is the mortality rate so high in the US compared to other developed countries? To not see the link of this to fixing environmental issues, is simply near-sighted.

 

[gunthernehmen]

It is all about a simple mentality...priorities.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ducation-as-richest-economies-fail-to-improve.

It is not an accident where development is occurring. If your parents believe they know best...their kids fail. If parents want their kids to have a better future, they work towards it. And their kids succeed.

We see this not just in education...but health care. Why is the mortality rate so high in the US compared to other developed countries? To not see the link of this to fixing environmental issues, is simply near-sighted.

Where do we disagree on the need to be environmentally conscious? Other than you seem to be in the Never Nuclear crowd.

We disagree on the fundamental cause (or at the very least the degree to which we affect) the change in climate.

We disagree (it seems) on the effect our reduction of impact would have on THAT problem (CC) but probably not on the need for it anyway.

Healthcare is a completely different thread.

 

[Dribble]

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/472691-analysis-trump-solar-tariffs-cost-62k-us-jobs

Nope...the administration had nothing to do w this. China will pay the tariffs...just like Mexico will pay for the wall.

 

[von_Bismarck]

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/472691-analysis-trump-solar-tariffs-cost-62k-us-jobs

Nope...the administration had nothing to do w this. China will pay the tariffs...just like Mexico will pay for the wall.

#MAGA!!!

 

[Dribble]

It isnt just climate data that says it is happening.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/world/dead-birds-body-size-climate-change-scn/index.html

Fucking fake news all...lol