Climate continues to change.

[trysail]

I haven't seen any scientist say we're doomed. You really are committed to pedaling your narrative.

ROTFLMFAO


Are you kidding me ??

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James Hansen
Michael Mann
Kevin Trenberth
John Holdren
David Suzuki
Paul Ehrlich

...just to name a few (crackpots).

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[phrodeau]

https://co2islife.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/climate_predictions.jpg

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ROTFLMFAO


Are you kidding me ??

​

James Hansen
Michael Mann
Kevin Trenberth
John Holdren
David Suzuki
Paul Ehrlich

...just to name a few (crackpots).

​

Which ones are illustrated and quoted?

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

Their predictions of impending doom have been wrong again and again and again.

Why? Their crystal ball forecasts always fail to incorporate the impact of technology and human ingenuity.


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An extremely rare instance of my ever agreeing with tryfail. While one can find cases around the world of population growth exceeding infrastructure investments to the detriment of local quality of life, I think it's doubtful we'll have a malthusian catastrophe before the population stabilizes for other reasons.

As a side note, all your damn formatting makes it a bitch to quote you.

 

[phrodeau]

An extremely rare instance of my ever agreeing with tryfail. While one can find cases around the world of population growth exceeding infrastructure investments to the detriment of local quality of life, I think it's doubtful we'll have a malthusian catastrophe before the population stabilizes for other reasons.

As a side note, all your damn formatting makes it a bitch to quote you.

In Trysail's mind, if they say it's going to be twenty degrees, and it only reaches 19.5, that’s a failure.

 

[The Heretic]

Well, at least you followed your train of thought to its logical conclusion.

I don't agree with you.
I'm a believer, an optimist, and I think mankind is capable of tackling any problem thrown at it.

In my 6 plus decades I have become less and less a 'believer' in humankind and more cynical about human nature.

Of course humans are capable of tackling problems - in general we do very well when we decide to tackle a problem. However, human nature is such that it denies there is a problem. If there is no recognition of the problem, and even less willingness to address it, then there is no effort and nothing gets done. Worse, there are people actively working to make the problem worse by putting roadblocks in the way of addressing the problem.

Take this recent story as an example:

New technology in China turns desert into land rich with crops

We can do it.

Irrelevant. As I said, yes we can do it. But will we do it? I think the answer is very obvious - no we won't. There will be attempts, but it will be too little too late. It may already be too late. I think the best case scenario is a limited mitigation of the end results. Worst case is disaster and chaos. I lean towards worst case, especially with the current administration in power.

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

Curbing climate change: Study finds strong rationale for the human factor

Drawing from both social psychology and climate science, the new model investigates how human behavioral changes evolve in response to extreme climate events and affect global temperature change.

The model accounts for the dynamic feedbacks that occur naturally in the Earth's climate system—temperature projections determine the likelihood of extreme weather events, which in turn influence human behavior. Human behavioral changes, such as installing solar panels or investing in public transportation, alter greenhouse gas emissions, which change the global temperature and thus the frequency of extreme events, leading to new behaviors, and the cycle continues.

Combining climate projections and social processes, the model predicts global temperature change ranging from 3.4 to 6.2°C by 2100, compared to 4.9°C from the climate model alone.

I strongly suspect we'll see some forms of geoengineering implemented by mid-century, to curb the worst of global warming - even if those forms are as simple as brightening the wakes of ocean-faring ships.

 

[Libsam]

Capable? Absolutely.

Will we? Doubtful.

Humans are greedy, selfish bastards. We are parasites; consuming everything we can and doing little to replenish what we take.

Yet, here you are, a human, reflecting on past actions, examining the consequences.

I say that as a realist.

It came off a bit hyperbolic.

 

[Shagly]

... Wind Chill Advisory in effect from 7 PM this evening to 10 am
EST Tuesday...

* what... very cold wind chills expected. The cold wind chills will
cause frostbite in as little as 30 minutes to exposed skin.
Expect wind chills to range from 20 below zero to 29 below
zero.

* Where... the northern Adirondacks and St. Lawrence Valley of
northern New York.

* When... from 7 PM this evening to 10 am EST Tuesday.

* Additional details... .the coldest wind chills will occur late
tonight into Tuesday morning. Winds will be from the west around
5 mph.

What happened to the alleged greenhouse effect?

 

[phrodeau]

... Wind Chill Advisory in effect from 7 PM this evening to 10 am
EST Tuesday...

* what... very cold wind chills expected. The cold wind chills will
cause frostbite in as little as 30 minutes to exposed skin.
Expect wind chills to range from 20 below zero to 29 below
zero.

* Where... the northern Adirondacks and St. Lawrence Valley of
northern New York.

* When... from 7 PM this evening to 10 am EST Tuesday.

* Additional details... .the coldest wind chills will occur late
tonight into Tuesday morning. Winds will be from the west around
5 mph.

What happened to the alleged greenhouse effect?

The cold snap is very local.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/QLIGZp1pucOODIAreRgmguxDsRM=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9941073/gfs_world_ced_t2anom_1_day.png

Try to see beyond your own nose.

 

[Libsam]

In my 6 plus decades I have become less and less a 'believer' in humankind and more cynical about human nature.

I'm sorry you lost the ability to see the good in people and situations.

6 decades, huh? So you're a boomer. I'm an Xer.

Irrelevant. As I said, yes we can do it. But will we do it?

Boomers have proved themselves to be the most self-absorbed, hedonistic generation. No, the boomers wont fix the shit storm they created. Their children and grands will do it.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Yet, here you are, a human, reflecting on past actions, examining the consequences.



It came off a bit hyperbolic.

I guess it does come off a little over the top.

Whenever I hear somebody talk about how Mankind Will Overcome, I can't help but think they're trying to say all the peoples of the world will set aside their differences and join together as one to Right This Wrong so that we can all live Happily Ever After like some Hollywood movie.

I really can't see that ever happening. Too many diverse lifestyles and ways of thinking and yes, pure selfishness, will prevent that. We don't even have to look outside of America to see it. Even in this very thread. Two sides, each 100% certain that they're right and the other side is wrong. We will never overcome unless we can all work together and there are too many people either interested in keeping things the way they are or too indifferent to care until it's too late. Or they don't think we're having a significant effect so why change anything?

Even if we unite to correct our effect on the planet, and I'm one of those that believes we ARE having a significant effect, red tape and conflicting opinions will prevent it from rolling very far, very fast. Personally, I think we're already too late.

 

[phrodeau]

I guess it does come off a little over the top.

Whenever I hear somebody talk about how Mankind Will Overcome, I can't help but think they're trying to say all the peoples of the world will set aside their differences and join together as one to Right This Wrong so that we can all live Happily Ever After like some Hollywood movie.

I really can't see that ever happening. Too many diverse lifestyles and ways of thinking and yes, pure selfishness, will prevent that. We don't even have to look outside of America to see it. Even in this very thread. Two sides, each 100% certain that they're right and the other side is wrong. We will never overcome unless we can all work together and there are too many people either interested in keeping things the way they are or too indifferent to care until it's too late. Or they don't think we're having a significant effect so why change anything?

Even if we unite to correct our effect on the planet, and I'm one of those that believes we ARE having a significant effect, red tape and conflicting opinions will prevent it from rolling very far, very fast. Personally, I think we're already too late.

We do have the Paris Agreement, which practically every nation signed on to, even the US until 2020.

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

Scientists Can Now Blame Individual Natural Disasters on Climate Change

Nearly 15 years later, extreme event attribution not only is possible, but is one of the most rapidly expanding subfields of climate science.

Event attribution could play a role the public conversation that abstract, general consideration of global warming could not. This is a welcome advancement in climate science.

 

[richard_daily]

Scientists Can Now Blame Individual Natural Disasters on Climate Change

Nearly 15 years later, extreme event attribution not only is possible, but is one of the most rapidly expanding subfields of climate science.

Event attribution could play a role the public conversation that abstract, general consideration of global warming could not. This is a welcome advancement in climate science.

Looks like the beginning of the end for tobacco company... I mean oil and gas company shill: tryfail.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

ROTFLMFAO


Are you kidding me ??

​

James Hansen
Michael Mann
Kevin Trenberth
John Holdren
David Suzuki
Paul Ehrlich

...just to name a few (crackpots).

​

I don't have to kid, because I'm using facts. Looks like you #Tryfailed again.

"Here’s Penn State climatologist Michael Mann, probably the most vociferous critic of the New York article, writing in Thursday’s Washington Post: “The evidence that climate change is a serious challenge that we must tackle now is very clear. There is no need to overstate it, particularly when it feeds a paralyzing narrative of doom and hopelessness.”
https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/fear-factor-defense-new-yorks-climate-doom-cover-story

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

Looks like the beginning of the end for tobacco company... I mean oil and gas company shill: tryfail.

Could get interesting, if big coal and petro start getting sued for attributable damages.

 

[AngeloMichael]

trysail reminds me of those flat earth people on YouTube who make detailed arguments citing experiments and data to support them. A lot of effort, a lot of time, a lot of thought, a lot of energy spent.

But in the end, they are arguing that the Earth is flat.

 

[Hypoxia]

But in the end, they are arguing that the Earth is flat.

Thing is, Terra IS flat... on a small-enough scale, ignoring hills and valleys. Get out on a playa, a dry lake bed. It's fucking flat for miles; Terra's curvature is minimal. You must step back a bit to see the roundness. Or just send a camera up in a kite or balloon. It becomes obvious.

Climate-change deniers don't peer far enough beyond the ends of their runny noses. Humans have changed Terra's climate. That can't be refuted. No, the Santa Cruz, Columbus's fourth ship, didn't sail off the edge.

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

Another interesting article for today, and grist for the mill of public conversation.

Global Warming May Harm Children for Life

Now a new study by researchers at Stanford, the University of California, Berkeley, and the U.S. Department of the Treasury suggests that even short periods of extreme heat can carry long-term consequences for children and their financial future. Specifically, heat waves during an individual’s early childhood, including the period before birth, can affect his or her earnings three decades later, according to the paper, published on Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Every day that temperatures rise above 32 ˚C, or just shy of 90 ˚F, from conception to the age of one is associated with a 0.1 percent decrease in average income at the age of 30.

 

[Shagly]

I am still waiting for the ice caps on the polar regions to melt.

 

[phrodeau]

I am still waiting for the ice caps on the polar regions to melt.

All water ice is at a temperature of 32 degrees Fahrenheit or below. As it warms, the ice temperature increases to 32 degrees, then stops as incoming energy is used for the phase transition to liquid water. The ice and water then exists together at 32 degrees until all of the ice has transitioned to liquid. Only then does the temperature continue to climb.

So what's the point of waiting until it all melts?

 

[thør]

All water ice is at a temperature of 32 degrees Fahrenheit or below. As it warms, the ice temperature increases to 32 degrees, then stops as incoming energy is used for the phase transition to liquid water. The ice and water then exists together at 32 degrees until all of the ice has transitioned to liquid. Only then does the temperature continue to climb.

So what's the point of waiting until it all melts?

Unless, the water isn't pure water.

Still, no point in waiting for phase change.

 

[Hypoxia]

I am still waiting for the ice caps on the polar regions to melt.

The pot will have boiled by then, eggs will be hard, and the sauce will be ruined. The Republican-Reptilioid conspirators will love it, as 1) Terra will be transformed to the ET aliens' liking, and 2) humans will be sufficiently fattened by McFood to provide the ETs with an edible herd. You WILL be lunch, y'know. When alien chopsticks reach for you, there's nowhere to hide. Revel in the ginger.

 

[Richard_P_Feynman]

2017 Broke Another Heat Record — but There’s Hope for Future Years

Last year set a grim new heat record for the planet. According to NASA data pulled together by The Guardian, 2017 was the second hottest year ever recorded, and the hottest ever if we don’t consider years when El Niño’s influence drove temperatures up.

Not only was 2017 the hottest year without an El Niño by a margin of 0.17°C (0.306° F) compared to 2014, but it was also hotter than 2015, which is remembered for the disruptive impacts of one of the strongest El Niño ever recorded.

Let's hear the objections about how weather =/= climate.

 

[phrodeau]

https://apnews.com/488c25b18b634998...vels,-coral-bleaching-getting-worse-in-oceans

Low oxygen levels, coral bleaching getting worse in oceans
By SETH BORENSTEIN
Today

WASHINGTON (AP) — Global warming is making the world’s oceans sicker, depleting them of oxygen and harming delicate coral reefs more often, two studies show.

“If you can’t breathe, nothing else matters. That pretty much describes it,” said study lead author Denise Breitburg, a marine ecologist at the Smithsonian Environmental Research Center. “As seas are losing oxygen, those areas are no longer habitable by many organisms.”

She was on a team of scientists, convened by the United Nations, who reported that the drop in oxygen levels is getting worse, choking large areas, and is more of a complex problem than previously thought. A second study finds that severe bleaching caused by warmer waters is hitting once-colorful coral reefs four times more often than they used to a few decades ago. Both studies are in Thursday’s edition of the journal Science .

“The low oxygen problem is the biggest unknown climate change consequence out there,” said Lisa Levin, a study co-author and professor of biological oceanography at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. “Just off Southern California, we’ve lost 20 to 30 percent of our oxygen off the outer shelf,” Levin said. “That’s a huge loss.”

Some low oxygen levels in the world’s ocean are natural, but not this much, Breitburg said. A combination of changes in winds and currents — likely from climate change — is leaving oxygen on the surface, and not bringing it down lower as usual. On top of that, warmer water simply doesn’t hold as much oxygen and less oxygen dissolves and gets into the water, she said.

In a separate study, a team of experts looked at 100 coral reefs around the globe and how often they have had severe bleaching since 1980. Bleaching is caused purely by warmer waters, when it’s nearly 2 degrees (1 degree Celsius) above the normal highest temperatures for an area.

In the early 1980s, bleaching episodes would happen at a rate of once every 25 to 30 years. As of 2016, they now are happening just under once every six years, the study found.

Only six of the 100 coral reefs weren’t hit by severe bleaching: four around Australia, one in the Indian Ocean and another off South Africa.