Climate continues to change.

[trysail]

Computer Models v. Observed Temperatures

MODEL: IPCC5 (RCP8.5): 4.2C/century
MODEL: IPCC4 Warming High: 4.0C/century
MODEL: Hansen A: 3.2C/century ( since 1979 )
MODEL: Hansen B: 2.8C/century ( since 1979 )
MODEL: IPCC4 next few decades: 2.0C/century
MODEL: Hansen C: 1.9C/century ( since 1979 )
MODEL: IPCC4 Warming Low: 1.8C/century
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Observed: NASA GISS: ~1.6C/century ( since 1979 )
Observed: NCDC: ~1.5C/century ( since 1979 )
Observed: UAH MSU LT: ~1.4C/century (since 1979 )
Observed: RSS MSU LT: ~1.3C/century (since 1979 )
MODEL: IPCC5 (RCP2.6): 1.0C/century
Observed: RSS MSU MT: ~0.8C/century (since 1979 )
Observed: UAH MSU MT: ~0.5C/century (since 1979 )
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It should be noted that UAH-MT is closer to validation for ‘Denier’ than any other category.

And it should be noted that the lapse rate change predicted by the models is falsified.


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[phrodeau]

Do you think a tilde means the same thing as a minus sign?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In non-weather-related news...

2015 still projected to be warmest year in the history of man.

Frodo vows to stop driving, using electricity and to begin recycling his urine for water.

 

[trysail]

Idiots:



http://conservbyte.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Divestment-600-AEA.jpg



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[thør]

The more zealous, the more hypocritical.....

Generally the case.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Just for Tryfail...
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/Soonyigump/DerpDenialists_zpscrqsj8hj.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article11023238.html

As ocean acid grows, coasts and fisheries vulnerable, study says

BY CHRIS ADAMS - MCCLATCHY WASHINGTON BUREAU
02/23/2015 4:06 PM

Ocean acidification is sometimes referred to as “the other carbon dioxide problem,” and it’s exactly what the name implies: the gradual increase of acid in the world’s waters. It’s fueled by the burning of fossil fuels and the massive amounts of carbon that releases. A good chunk of that is absorbed by the world’s oceans, making the water more acidic.

Additional acid makes it hard for some species to develop the shells they need to survive, which has instilled fear in government and fisheries leaders around the country.

In Washington state and the Pacific Northwest, the issue hit home between 2005 and 2009, when acidified conditions killed billions of oyster larvae at two of the main hatcheries that provide Pacific oysters to growers. Hatcheries scrambled to boost the monitoring of ocean chemistry and to adapt growing methods to avoid particularly acidic waters.

More recently, leaders in Maine convened a state commission to understand the problem and detail ways to counteract it.

The study in the Nature Climate Change journal concluded that ocean acidification is a long-term, global problem and that reducing carbon dioxide in the world’s waters “will take decades to accomplish successfully.” Until that happens, local areas will need to undertake measures to adapt to and mitigate the problem.

The study was conducted by researchers from the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental advocacy group; the federal government; and academic centers such as Duke University and the University of Miami.

The study divided the nation’s coastal waters into regions and found that 10 out of 23 are exposed to two or more threats of acidification. The marine ecosystems around the Pacific Northwest and southern Alaska are expected to be exposed soonest to ocean acidification, followed by other parts of the West Coast and the Gulf of Maine in the northeast.

Beyond that are pockets along the East Coast and the Gulf of Mexico, where the study found that acidification will come earlier than generally expected because of local stressors such as algae blooms caused by pollution runoff.

While parts of the Pacific Northwest and the Northeast are projected to hit a key acidification threshold in the next decade or so, other parts of the country aren’t projected to hit it until the second half of this century, although local factors make those projections difficult to nail down.

Among the hot zones the study identified:

▪ In New England, Maine and southern Massachusetts have poorly buffered rivers that run into the cold New England waters that already have high levels of carbon dioxide.

▪ In Mid-Atlantic areas such as the Chesapeake Bay, abundant nitrogen pollution exacerbates ocean acidification in shellfish-rich areas.

▪ In the Pacific Northwest, Oregon and Washington coasts and estuaries have several risk factors, including cold waters, upwelling that brings corrosive waters closer to the surface, and nutrient pollution from land runoff.

Overall, the study found that communities in 15 states are most at risk for economic impact from ocean acidification. The states, in order of risk, are: Massachusetts, New Jersey, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Connecticut, New York, Rhode Island, Maine, Florida, North Carolina, California, Louisiana, Maryland and Texas.

 

[JohnQuintell]

I'm a nutter

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article11023238.html

As ocean acid grows, coasts and fisheries vulnerable, study says

BY CHRIS ADAMS - MCCLATCHY WASHINGTON BUREAU
02/23/2015 4:06 PM

Forgive me but.
I don't see mitigation of our causing problems expectable.

Humanity is a growing populas who will under all regards continue to cause devastation no matter what.
Be it that we are a chaotic mass that can't agree upon any thing, I see asking people to just stop polluting pointless.
That to me would be like asking people to become pacifist, after learning there have only been 300 or so years of recorded world wide peace.
People are going to fight, as much as pollute.

I would rather then discuss a possible issue, ask why those who would ask of such an issue are not seeking a solution instead.

For us in Toledo our water has become poisonEd from green algae.
Sure we can bitch about its cause.
As if farmers would ever stop using fertilizers.
And if it really matters when they used such fertilizers.

Or we could employ better methods of cleaning the water before we drink it.

Sure we could slow down the process for now.
But what are we really going to do when we need more farms for more food?
whit an ever growing populace how isn't that still going to be an issue?

Instead we're going to just have to figure out a chemical trap to remove the neuro toxin sooner rather then later.

We may as well face it.
Whether it's real or not, the gas is going to be there.
So unless genocide becomes viable as a way to make less human farts.
We better make a device or plan for sucking the methane, and green house gas out of the air.
Other wise all we're doing is waiting to die.

Also does any one know if the climate change would cause more then just heat?
Like I don't know, how about storms or heavy winters?

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

Forgive me but.
I don't see mitigation of our causing problems expectable.

Humanity is a growing populas who will under all regards continue to cause devastation no matter what.
Be it that we are a chaotic mass that can't agree upon any thing, I see asking people to just stop polluting pointless.

Also does any one know if the climate change would cause more then just heat?
Like I don't know, how about storms or heavy winters?

We have affected the global atmosphere in the past, and we have done something about it. Google "tetraethyllead toxicity", "CFC ozone depletion" and "nuclear ban treaty".

As for the other consequences of climate change, there are many.

Extinction of shellfish species and their predators due to increased CO2 in the oceans.
Coastal flooding due to icecap melt and changing ocean currents.
Depletion of aquifers as rainwater evaporates faster at warmer temperatures.
Diseases spreading over larger areas as animal and insect territories shift.

But we can deal with all these minor inconveniences, as long as we can have gas for our leafblowers.

 

[phrodeau]

http://qz.com/350691/scientists-hav...surface-and-their-findings-are-not-good-news/

(I)n new research published Wednesday in the journal Nature, scientists show for the first time the link between the rising CO2 and the rising greenhouse effect on the surface of the Earth, not just in a laboratory. And they directly attribute their findings to fossil-fuel emissions.

The scientists looked at how carbon dioxide perturbs the Earth’s energy balance through a measure called “radiative forcing.” They observed radiation wavelengths in Alaska and Oklahoma over the period of 11 years, from 2000 to 2010, finding that carbon dioxide was to blame for an increase in radiative forcing in both locations. They juxtaposed their data with a system that tracks CO2 emission sources, determining that much of it was caused by burning fossil fuels.

The conclusion matches up with previous predictions. “This study provides direct observational link and confirmation of what had been largely a theoretical modeling determination of the radiative forcing that drives the global warming component of current climate change,” Andrew Lacis, a NASA scientist who is unaffiliated with the report, tells Quartz.

 

[Que]

Really wrong thread...

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tech...following-decades-long-trend/article23548125/

Extent of Arctic sea ice hits a record low, following decades-long trend
BOB WEBER
The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, Mar. 19 2015, 8:15 PM EDT

A new record low for the extent of Arctic sea ice continues a decades-long trend that is quickly upending the northern ecosystem and possibly affecting southern weather.

“There might be some sea-ice growth yet, but I think it’s pretty much done,” said Julienne Stroeve of the U.S.-based National Snow and Ice Data Center, which marked Thursday as the day of maximum ice spread for this winter.

Sea ice has been shrinking at an average rate of about 5 per cent each decade.

The centre said the maximum extent of this year’s ice is more than a million square kilometres below the 30-year average, a difference of about 7 per cent. It’s also about 1 per cent below the previous winter record low set in 2011.

At the same time, the record for minimum ice coverage, which happens after the summer melt season, was set in 2012.

As well, the ice has been reaching its annual maximum earlier and earlier. The melt season has also been starting earlier.

 

[Que]

..and in the Antarctic?

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ica-was-already-really-bad-it-just-got-worse/

The melting of Antarctica was already really bad. It just got worse.
By Chris Mooney
March 16

The floating ice shelf of the Totten Glacier covers an area of 90 miles by 22 miles. It it is losing an amount of ice “equivalent to 100 times the volume of Sydney Harbour every year,” notes the Australian Antarctic Division.

That’s alarming, because the glacier holds back a much more vast catchment of ice that, were its vulnerable parts to flow into the ocean, could produce a sea level rise of more than 11 feet — which is comparable to the impact from a loss of the West Antarctica ice sheet. And that’s “a conservative lower limit,” says lead study author Jamin Greenbaum, a PhD candidate at the University of Texas at Austin.

 

[jonpatato]

I have read that some studies show the earth has cooled down two degrees since 1992. If you are a scientest and you go against the grain or popular trend to scream the earth is warming you are outcast. Al Gore and all of his monkeys can go to hell. They are making money on this shit.

 

[islandman]

I have read that some studies show the earth has cooled down two degrees since 1992. If you are a scientest and you go against the grain or popular trend to scream the earth is warming you are outcast. Al Gore and all of his monkeys can go to hell. They are making money on this shit.

I think you have it backwards.....

The trend right now is the thinking that the Earth IS warming.

 

[thør]

I think you have it backwards.....

The trend right now is the thinking that the Earth IS warming.

And now, the center of the earth is 8000° instead of 6000°....

 

[Rangudo]

I think the climate is changing all the time. My question: What guarantees do we have if the U.S. adopted what President Obama is proposing? How much cooler will it get? Will it be cooler in the summer or in the winter? Will it snow as much in the Northeast as it did this past winter? Will we start getting major hurricanes again?

 

[phrodeau]

I think the climate is changing all the time. My question: What guarantees do we have if the U.S. adopted what President Obama is proposing? How much cooler will it get? Will it be cooler in the summer or in the winter? Will it snow as much in the Northeast as it did this past winter? Will we start getting major hurricanes again?

We need to learn to live with the change we've already had. Nothing we can do will make it cool back down in our lifetimes. All we can hope for now is that it won't get much worse.

 

[Que]

We need to learn to live with the change we've already had. Nothing we can do will make it cool back down in our lifetimes. All we can hope for now is that it won't get much worse.

REALLY?

What catastrophic change have we "already had" that we need to adapt to? You talking about that 38% chance that we had the hottest year on record by 3/10ths of a degree? That scorcher?

I tell you what I hope for. That we don't head into another mini-ice age in our lifetimes.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

2015 still projected to be warmest year on record...

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think you have it backwards.....

The trend right now is the thinking that the Earth IS warming.

"But..but..global cooling!" is very popular right now among the extreme climate deniers.

so is "but but it's only 3/10ths of a degree per year!"

#ClimateChangeDenial

 

[toubab]

We need to learn to live with the change we've already had. Nothing we can do will make it cool back down in our lifetimes. All we can hope for now is that it won't get much worse.

Yes, we need to learn to live with an Earth that is about 17% greener today than it was three decades ago. Tragic.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, we need to learn to live with an Earth that is about 17% greener today than it was three decades ago. Tragic.

Oh the HORROR Rocky!


Can you picture it?

 

[toubab]

Oh the HORROR Rocky!


Can you picture it?

Yes. It's a bunch of damn trees and leaves and shit. I don't like it.