Climate continues to change.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh, are we a Christian nation now? Is Obama striving to impose Christian values on us?

AJ flip-flops again.

No, just pointing out the true nature of the "Green" movement.



It really attracts the hated fundies who tarnish the Republican brand so I am pointing out that if you are to maintain logical consistency instead of pursuing compartmentalization, then you should hate this movement with the same fervor that you hate Republicans for having counted the Evangelicals as a part of their base.

I'd love to see a cogent and coherent reply to that.

But alas, I shall not see one.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Popcorn anyone?

 

[phrodeau]

No, just pointing out the true nature of the "Green" movement.



It really attracts the hated fundies who tarnish the Republican brand so I am pointing out that if you are to maintain logical consistency instead of pursuing compartmentalization, then you should hate this movement with the same fervor that you hate Republicans for having counted the Evangelicals as a part of their base.

I'd love to see a cogent and coherent reply to that.

But alas, I shall not see one.

If you made a cogent and coherent argument, you might get one back.

How about "Conservatism means gutting our natural resources in order to make a buck"?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you made a cogent and coherent argument, you might get one back.

How about "Conservatism means gutting our natural resources in order to make a buck"?

How about a deflection?

What was it I said that even remotely caused such an asinine answer from such a deep thinker as yourself?

By the reply, I know, I hit the mark...



Your arguments are championed by the 6,000 year-old earth crowd.

ARE YOU NOT EMBARRASSED?

They're

*gasp*

WEPUBWICCANS!!!

Sawah Pawins peopwe...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Popcorn anyone?

Butter?



Cheddah?

 

[eyer]

If you can stomach through way too much Alex Jones inclusion and Bilderberg stuff at the start of it...

...SHADE the Motion Picture nicely covers the man-made geoengineering issue(s) which are no doubt responsible for a huge bit of today's "climate change".

What's beautiful is that the very same individuals/entities who/which are intentionally changing the "climate"...

...are the very same entities proposing taxation for those very changes; makes perfect cents.

The oligarchy vs. the working class...

...there truly is nothing new under the sun.

You can watch SHADE the Motion Picture and a gaggle of other documentary pieces at no charge whatsoever (registration isn't even required) and commercial-free, here:

http://documentary.net/

Eg:

Jon Stewart’s Story: How the Fake Newsman Won Over America...

...is currently featured on the homepage's marquee.

 

[phrodeau]

I do him the courtesy of reading his posts, and he throws his pooh at me.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I do him the courtesy of reading his posts, and he throws his pooh at me.

Bullshit.

You launched into immediate ascription; that I was claiming this to be a Christian nation.

That was a lie. Now answer the implication, how comfortable are you being part of the Evangelical movement? I mean, these are stupid people who believe what they believe because it is part of their faith, not actual real science...



It's the reason we hated George Bush. He was and Evangelical, he was going to outlaw porn, he was going to close down Lit.

 

[phrodeau]

Bullshit.

You launched into immediate ascription; that I was claiming this to be a Christian nation.

That was a lie. Now answer the implication, how comfortable are you being part of the Evangelical movement? I mean, these are stupid people who believe what they believe because it is part of their faith, not actual real science...



It's the reason we hated George Bush. He was and Evangelical, he was going to outlaw porn, he was going to close down Lit.

Do you know nothing about religion? I've studied it for decades. And I know that Bush was a Methodist.

The older religious thought is that the world is a gift from God, and any reduction of its bounty is a punishment. There's nothing humans can do about it, nor should they even try. 1 John 2:15 - "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

More recent religious thought is that we are meant to take care of this gift and keep it in good condition. Genesis 2:15 - "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it." Proverbs 13:22 - "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children."

Most mainstream religions include some of both of these thoughts. That's the real nature of religion - something for everybody. Think whatever you like, and find a support group that agrees.

 

[about_average]

Now answer the implication, how comfortable are you being part of the Evangelical movement? I mean, these are stupid people who believe what they believe because it is part of their faith, not actual real science...

So how to you like being part of the evangelical movement?
Many evangelicals oppose same sex marriage, you oppose same sex marriage.

See how that works?

 

[eyer]

Do you know nothing about religion? I've studied it for decades.

The older religious thought is that the world is a gift from God, and any reduction of its bounty is a punishment. There's nothing humans can do about it, nor should they even try. 1 John 2:15 - "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

More recent religious thought is that we are meant to take care of this gift and keep it in good condition. Genesis 2:15 - "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it." Proverbs 13:22 - "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children."[/QUOTE]

Too friggin' funny...

btw, playdeau:

When you assert that "There's nothing humans can do about it, nor should they even try"...

...you might want to reconsider listing a definite call to action immediately following your asinine blurt.

Also, as a self-proclaimed student for "decades" and one who likes to play a Holy Bible expert on the GB.:

Are you even aware of the totally different ascriptions when "the world" is used within its pages?

Do you not understand that the phrase can and does represent, eg, natural elements, peoples, and ways - as in the ways of the world?

And, toward that specific regard: your equally sophomoric assertion that "the world is a gift from God, and any reduction of its bounty is a punishment"...

...why - as such a self-proclaimed student for "decades" - do you disingenuously neglect to mention the Bible's concrete contradiction of that, that this world - its peoples and ways - was/were long ago corrupted and must die before it/they can be redeemed?

It's okay, playdeau, now's a perfect time to you also proclaim, like a disbeliever in aliens and UFOs...

...what a "decades"-old expert you are in something you insist doesn't actually exist.

 

[StrangeLife]

What is it about the fact that most educated people in the middle ages, including the church, didn't think the earth was flat, that you don't understand?
Those who thought it was flat were in the minority.

Using a myth as "evidence" that climate science is flawed should be very embarrassing.

This example isn't about what people "thought" but what people "dared say". Walking around claiming that the earth was spherical simply wasn't a sound career move for a scientist at the time. So yes, that is evidence - not of anything cosmological or climatological, but of human behavior in a social setting.

It's always easier to stick to the popular opinion and refrain from asking too many questions. Howl with the flock and you won't get hurt... and today you'd better howl about how "global warming is destroying us" and not ask any questions, if you know whats good for you. You may not risk a heresy charge anymore, but you still need brass cajones to call bullshit on the major pop-science mantras.

So how to you like being part of the evangelical movement?

Many evangelicals oppose same sex marriage, you oppose same sex marriage.

Same sex marriage = no kids = poplation decline = reduced environmental foot print = no global warming.

Be gay and save the planet.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you know nothing about religion?

Eyer and 4est both are staunch TheoCons......no one knows more about the Bible and how Jesus wrote the US Constitution more than they do!

 

[eyer]

Martin Luther was troubled that those who chose to follow his teachings deemed themselves Lutherans...

...he preferred them to call themselves simply evangels: tellers of the good news, the gospel.

In fact, evangelism is simply to do that; it has nothing to do with politics of any stripe...

...and the Good New is basically this:

1. You are a sinner and must die for you sins.

2. The Christ is your Savior...

...that although the sentence of death stands as far as this physical world is concerned, spiritual - eternal - life is guaranteed to all whom believe the Good News.

That evangelist/evangelism have been so corrupted into the forms they're most democratically known for today...

...simply testifies to the wholesale corruption of the world, not the native meanings of the words themselves.

And so they still call themselves Lutherans to this very day...

 

[about_average]

This example isn't about what people "thought" but what people "dared say". Walking around claiming that the earth was spherical simply wasn't a sound career move for a scientist at the time.

How could talking about something that was accepted as fact be a bad career move? The vast majority of the patrons of the sciences, the people in a position to affect their careers, accepted that the earth was a sphere.

I don't know why it's so difficult to accept the fact that the vast majority of educated people in the middle ages knew the earth was a sphere.
Only a handful of science deniers thought it was flat.

 

[StrangeLife]

How could talking about something that was accepted as fact be a bad career move? The vast majority of the patrons of the sciences, the people in a position to affect their careers, accepted that the earth was a sphere.

I don't know why it's so difficult to accept the fact that the vast majority of educated people in the middle ages knew the earth was a sphere.
Only a handful of science deniers thought it was flat.

There is nothing difficult about it. It's basically a living study in human nature - as a species we are more like dogs than cats.

You are probably confusing late middle age with early middle age. Early on saying that the earth was round was definitely an efficient career killer for a scientist. Later the debate was more about the acceptance of the Copernican heliocentric model, and Giordano Bruno was executed as late as 1600 for heresy. Science isn't mentioned in the official list of charges, but there is little doubt that he was burned alive because of his scientific views.

Today you won't get executed for calling bullshit to the fear-mongers, but it's still a sport for the brave. Adopting the popular belief is always safer...

 

[KingOrfeo]

I don't know why it's so difficult to accept the fact that the vast majority of educated people in the middle ages knew the earth was a sphere.

Of course, educated people in Medieval Europe were a small minority; most people would have thought the world is flat if they thought about the matter at all.

 

[about_average]

You are probably confusing late middle age with early middle age. Early on saying that the earth was round was definitely an efficient career killer for a scientist.

I give up.

Of course, educated people in Medieval Europe were a small minority; most people would have thought the world is flat if they thought about the matter at all.

There's little evidence the peasants thought the earth was flat, assuming they ever thought about it, as you say, at all. Certainly not sailors.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do you know nothing about religion? I've studied it for decades. And I know that Bush was a Methodist.

The older religious thought is that the world is a gift from God, and any reduction of its bounty is a punishment. There's nothing humans can do about it, nor should they even try. 1 John 2:15 - "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

More recent religious thought is that we are meant to take care of this gift and keep it in good condition. Genesis 2:15 - "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it." Proverbs 13:22 - "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children."

Most mainstream religions include some of both of these thoughts. That's the real nature of religion - something for everybody. Think whatever you like, and find a support group that agrees.

Gee, you sidestepped the point yet again...



... are you going to put some distance between yourself and the Evangelicals the way that you demand the Republicans do? They don't believe in Science. They make you look "extreme."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Eyer and 4est both are staunch TheoCons......no one knows more about the Bible and how Jesus wrote the US Constitution more than they do!

You need to stick to your pipe and stop letting your ass do all the talking.

 

[StrangeLife]

I give up.

That'd be a wise decision. When facing a warrior of truth you want more than bullshit in your ammo-belt...

http://twa800.com/images/truth-warrior.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

You need to stick to your pipe and stop letting your ass do all the talking.

OH yes and they both claim to be Libertarian Atheist.......they just happen to go to bat in support of loony TheoCon RW tyranny every...fuckin...time.

 

[lovecraft68]

Tornado in Revere the other day. I want to say its the first ever reported since they have been tracking them.

 

[about_average]

That'd be a wise decision. When facing a warrior of truth you want more than bullshit in your ammo-belt...

No, there just comes a point when it's time to give up trying to explain something to someone who is willfully ignoring the historical record. That time came when I read post 441.

But I know you admitting to the truth would mean post 389 was stupid, and you wouldn't want that. So I understand why you can't.

 

[doctor_insanus]

The saddest part of this whole situation is that the deniers in Congress are probably even dumber than the deniers in this thread.