Choking Game-- Teens

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anyone with first hand knowledge about this?


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/us/28risk.html?em&ex=1175313600&en=e3892b9b67d0f509&ei=5087

see also
http://www.gaspinfo.com/en/home.asp



Teenager Casts Light on a Shadowy Game


By KIRK JOHNSON
Published: March 28, 2007

GERONIMO, Tex. — Levi Draher, 16, walked to the front of the Navarro High School gym in early March and picked up the microphone before a hushed audience of fellow teenagers.

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“I died and came back,” he said.

Levi was found by his mother last Oct. 28, clinically dead, suspended on a rope he had slung across a bunk-bed frame. He had pushed his neck onto the rope, he told the rapt audience, aiming to achieve a surging rush as his brain was starved and then replenished with blood just before the point of unconsciousness.

The rush is the appeal of the choking game — or space cowboy or cloud nine or any of a dozen other names. In most schools and families it remains a subject of deep shadow and denial, students, parents and health professionals say.

“I did it because it felt good and I didn’t think I’d get caught,” said Levi, a slow-talking, sardonic skateboarder and hockey player from San Antonio. “Do I consider myself a miracle?” asked Levi, who told the students he had played the game three times before his accident. “Yes, I do.”

What happened that October afternoon was that Levi passed out faster than he could react and suffered a heart attack, said his mother, Carrie. His brain was deprived of oxygen for more than three minutes.

Levi’s survival and recovery against the odds — three days in a coma followed by a regimen of antiseizure drugs that he still takes — have made him perhaps the first scared-straight, been-there-and-back spokesman against the choking game. And there is a growing audience for his message.

While asphyxiation games have been around for many years, a series of locally publicized deaths around the country over the last few years, coupled with a realization that teenagers are seeing the game on Internet sites like YouTube, and playing it in more threatening variations — more often, like Levi, alone with a rope — are sparking a vigorous and open discussion in schools and among parents’ groups, summer camp administrators and doctors.

“We ought not to be timid in addressing this, and there has been timidity in the past,” said Stephen Wallace, a psychologist and chief executive of Students Against Destructive Decisions, a nonprofit group based in Marlborough, Mass.

A group called the Dylan Blake Foundation, founded by a parent who lost an 11-year-old son in 2005, said there were at least 40 deaths and 5 serious injuries from the game in the United States alone last year.

But the exact number remains uncertain because there has been little real research, health professionals say, and because medical examiners have been quick in the past to rule suicide. Some adults might also dismiss the game as the slumber party goof it was in years past, when constriction to the point of death was virtually unheard of.

But attitudes are shifting. Some medical examiners and pediatricians are looking at the increased teenage suicide rate from suffocation over the last decade and questioning whether dozens of deaths listed as suicide might in fact have been accidental, the result of a choking game experience gone wrong.

In 2004, according to the most recent figures from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 779 children between ages 10 and 19 committed suicide by suffocation, up from 400 to 450 per year from the early 1980s through the mid-1990s, when the numbers began to rise.

Suffocation, which includes hanging, overtook gunshot in 1997 as the No. 1 way 10- to 19- year olds take their own lives, according to the centers.

Greater awareness in the medical community is in turn leading to the first serious scientific research about the game’s prevalence. Dr. Mark Lapore, an assistant professor of counseling psychology at Chatham College in Pittsburgh, is working on a survey in the Pittsburgh public schools. The American Camp Association, which certifies summer camps, discussed the choking game at its annual meeting last year.

“Asphyxiation games have been with us for generations, but what makes the current generation’s execution of this game different is that more kids are willing to play it alone,” said Dr. Thomas Andrew, the chief medical examiner in New Hampshire, who has consulted on 20 cases around the country where the game was suspected.

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Anxiety about sex is another entanglement in the discussion. In some older teenagers and adults, the game can become associated with autoerotic practices of masturbation or intercourse to intensify orgasms, though Dr. Andrew and other experts say they think sex is not a factor for younger teenagers — and there was also no sex or ejaculation in Levi’s case, his mother said.

For now, most of the new debate is driven by advocates like Scott S. Metheny, an intense police officer from Upper Moreland, Pa., a suburb of Philadelphia, who has done more than 140 antichoking game presentations in the past 18 months on his own time.

He flew to Texas to talk to the students at Navarro, about 40 miles northeast of San Antonio, and to introduce Levi.

“Bringing Levi in was a shock factor,” Kandi Knippa, 18, president of the Drug Awareness Council, a student group. “It was very intense. But if we can save one life, it was worth it.”

About three-quarters of Ms. Knippa’s classmates, girls as well as boys, raised their hands when asked if they had heard of the choking game, which Mr. Metheny said was typical.

But the new debate also coincides with a reassessment of how teenagers think about risk. Conventional wisdom said adolescents often flirted with the edges of danger because they felt invulnerable.

Newer studies have dismissed that notion. They say that most teenagers are quite cooled-headed in assessing risk and reward — and that is what sometimes gets them in trouble. Adults, by contrast, are more likely to rely on experience or gut feelings than rational calculation.

Asked whether it would ever make sense to play Russian roulette for a million dollars, for example, most adults immediately say no, said Valerie F. Reyna, a professor of human development and psychology at Cornell University.

But when Professor Reyna asks teenagers the same question in intervention sessions to teach smarter risk-taking behavior, they often stop to calculate or debate, she said — what exactly would the odds be of getting the chamber with the bullet?

“I use the example to try to get them to see that thinking rationally like that doesn’t always lead to rational choices,” she said.

Those findings are influencing the way the choking game is discussed.

One doctor in Canada, Andrew J. Macnab, who is working on a major survey of the choking game in American and Canadian schools, said, “The best way is to get teens to talk to teens.” Dr. Macnab, a professor of pediatrics at the University of British Columbia, added that whoever talked about the game should use visual, concrete imagery.

Mentioning specific, narrow risks from the game, he said, like brain damage, medication and physical disfigurement can be even more powerful disincentives to adolescents than the idea of dying, which can seem theoretical or abstract.

“It’s not going to work if adults just say it’s a bad idea,” he said. “That tends to make it all the more attractive.”

In the Draher family, the question is how to use the gift of life snatched from the abyss. Mrs. Draher said she had never heard of the game before the day she found her son. Now she has joined a national group called Games Adolescents Shouldn’t Play (www.gaspinfo.com), which includes information about the game and Mr. Metheny’s PowerPoint presentation..

Levi’s father, Steven, said he was worried for a while that Mrs. Draher was going too fast in her newfound zeal.

“I was really kind of against her going public with all this — I thought she was pushing Levi into the limelight before he was healed,” Mr. Draher said in an interview in the family’s apartment in San Antonio. “But I’ve changed my mind. It seems to be helping Levi deal with it himself and talk about it, and that’s what matters.”

Levi, who has vowed to his parents never to play the game again, was fielding text messages on the couch as his father spoke. Mr. Draher said his son had moved on these days to other interests — girls and cars.

“He’s smelling perfume and gasoline,” Mr. Draher said with a smile.
 
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Yep. :(

I did this myself, at around 17- way back in the ancient days of 1972. It is, truly, an amazing sensation... A very famous cartoonist, my idol, Vaughn Bode, died doing it,and I never did it again.

I've treated it as an information issue with my own teens, because I know that their group of freinds just might be inclined to experiment that way. I've talked about it with four or five of their core group as well.
 
Pure said:
Newer studies have dismissed that notion. They say that most teenagers are quite cooled-headed in assessing risk and reward — and that is what sometimes gets them in trouble. Adults, by contrast, are more likely to rely on experience or gut feelings than rational calculation.

Asked whether it would ever make sense to play Russian roulette for a million dollars, for example, most adults immediately say no, said Valerie F. Reyna, a professor of human development and psychology at Cornell University.

But when Professor Reyna asks teenagers the same question in intervention sessions to teach smarter risk-taking behavior, they often stop to calculate or debate, she said — what exactly would the odds be of getting the chamber with the bullet?
You know, this is quite fascinating in light of Dr. M's Logic & Morality thread. Put the two studies together, and it suggests that teens go through a growth period where they learn to rely on "moral" emotions (I say "moral" as this fits in with one of those things you "don't" do, like killing someone else), rather than calculate logically when taking chances.

Which would suggest that those who have those emotional blocks against certain moral emotions may not get past this teenage stage, or that they just learn to rely on the teenage stage of caculation over gut reaction.

It would also suggest that teen years are a very interesting learning stage. More than hormones are a work, perhaps? And it's no real surprise that this is an age where they not only experiment with sex, but take enormous, often very foolish risks.
 
This is a game that began back in the 70's then died out. It seems to have re-emerged starting about 2004. Initially, it was a sex game that was supposed to highten orgasm (How, I have no idea :eek: ) and then was picked up by the amature BDSM crowd in several places in the U.S. Now it seems to have been picked up by the teens.

It's dangerous on more than one level! The state of Missouri, for example, has recorded 6 deaths directly attributable to the game since 2004.

Is there no end to the stupidity of human-kind?
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
This is a game that began back in the 70's then died out. It seems to have re-emerged starting about 2004. Initially, it was a sex game that was supposed to highten orgasm (How, I have no idea :eek: ) and then was picked up by the amature BDSM crowd in several places in the U.S. Now it seems to have been picked up by the teens.

It's dangerous on more than one level! The state of Missouri, for example, has recorded 6 deaths directly attributable to the game since 2004.

Is there no end to the stupidity of human-kind?
They were talking about it on Love Line where Dr. Drew said it is often used by people who have damaged their brain chemistry through drug use (specifically heroine). These people sometimes find it impossible to come to an orgasm anymore, so auto-asphixiation is the only way they can cum.

We used to play the soft version of this. You bend over and hyperventilate, then suddenly stand and take a deep breath. Your partner grabs you in a bear hug from behind and picks you off the floor. It causes you to pass out for 5-10 seconds, often doing really strange things while out of it, so it was entertaining for everyone. The person doing it felt out of it and silly, but quickly recovered. I'm glad we never took it further than that.
 
I have never heard about this "game" in this form.

I do remember when I was very young my older brother would impress his friends by standing against the wall and letting another cut off his breathing/circulation with their hands on his throat until he passed out.

I also remember years later discovering that hyperventilating then holding your neck in the same way could lead to a few seconds of passing out filled with random hallucinations from the rush of brain cells dying. I did that for a few months, and showing a few friends. (Pretty much what S-Des was talking about, just our own neighborhood's version)

Never thought about using a rope though, never heard of anyone trying anything like that in fact.

Is it possible that he was participating in autoerotic asphyxiation, and this story was spun to hide his shame? I have no idea; have heard nothing about this story beyond that link. Any ideas?
 
I've heard of this on television. What the hell is wrong with these kids? Is sex, drugs, and rock n' roll really not enough? Is the boredom really that bad? At the risk of sounding unpopular I think these kids all need a special mention in the annual Darwin Awards.
 
I almost feel like I misspent my youth by not experimenting much at all with anything. I was always afraid of the repercussions.

Then I realize that I'm alive and not dead because I didn't do anything as stupid as trying to cut the blood and oxygen from my brain.
 
This form of auto-eroticism was known in the 19th century and probably earlier.

It was usually done with the help of another, so that the enjoyment didn't end in death.

Several people a year die from it in the UK. (Many more people die from falling out of bed).

Og
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
This is a game that began back in the 70's then died out. It seems to have re-emerged starting about 2004. Initially, it was a sex game that was supposed to highten orgasm (How, I have no idea :eek: ) and then was picked up by the amature BDSM crowd in several places in the U.S. Now it seems to have been picked up by the teens.

It's dangerous on more than one level! The state of Missouri, for example, has recorded 6 deaths directly attributable to the game since 2004.

Is there no end to the stupidity of human-kind?
Actually, some Greek wrote about it- Aristophanes, or Pliny or someone of that ilk, so it's been around a little longer than thirty years! Likewise, it's well-known in Hindu culture...

It does heighten orgasm.

There is no end to the stupidity of human-kind. :eek:
 
Stella_Omega said:
It does heighten orgasm.
:confused: Um...how? I mean, do you do it while engaged in sex--and if so, if you pass out, do you orgasm as you're being asphyxiated, after you pass out or when you wake up?
 
3113 said:
:confused: Um...how? I mean, do you do it while engaged in sex--and if so, if you pass out, do you orgasm as you're being asphyxiated, after you pass out or when you wake up?
The lack of oxygen releases endorphins in your brain. You do it near orgasm and it makes you cum harder (with a feeling almost like a good LSD trip). You aren't supposed to pass out, just get as close to it as possible (if you're unconscious you miss the orgasm anyway). I'm not a doctor, so I don't want to get myself in deep here, that's just what I've always heard. Some people use the rope so they can do it to themselves while they masturbate. I'm guessing there's an incredible headache later, but I guess some people think it's worth it. *shrug*
 
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3113 said:
:confused: Um...how? I mean, do you do it while engaged in sex--and if so, if you pass out, do you orgasm as you're being asphyxiated, after you pass out or when you wake up?
it intensifies the orgasm, through the asphyxiation period and into the time that you've passed out. It creates a sense of stretched time- feels like you're coming forever, which is something men don't often get to experience.
For men, if he's close to orgasm, the choke will set it off. For women if she's already in orgasm, the choke will send her through the roof. It works real good with fisting...

I am NOT in any way advocating this dangerous and really stupid activity though.

(edited to add that Des is right, and it's kind of the object NOT to pass out, but you do pass out more often than not- at least as my memories stand)
 
Some people also use belts, scarves, leashes, whatever they can get their hands on.
 
Several people a year die from it in the UK. (Many more people die from falling out of bed).

You sound very dismissive. One US article put the number last year at 40 (known cases), for the US.

the other point to keep in mind is that there is no proper tracking; no good data; your good brit moms discovering wee willie with his wee willie in hand, but dead from hanging, may simply call it suicide or mishap (same with the drs.).

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as to dates: i was aware as a teen and that's before 1970. i suspect kids have been figuring ways to pass out and/or get giddy for some time, the easiest way being hyperventilating. i believe a timely compression of the chest can cause a faint. it is, of course, hard to j.o. while your chest is being squeezed from behind.

the eroticism of hanging (as in execution) is in Burroughs 'Naked Lunch' (1959/1962[in US]), and hanging has long been known to sometimes cause ejaculation.
 
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scheherazade_79 said:
Jesus, I hope that never spreads to the UK.

It's popular in boys' public schools.
Dressing gown cords and the coat hook on the back of the bedroom door, I believe.

Sometimes I like to have a hand put over my mouth and nose as I'm orgasming. It heightens the sensation, but obviously depends massively on trust.
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Vermilion said:
It's popular in boys' public schools.
Dressing gown cords and the coat hook on the back of the bedroom door, I believe.

Sometimes I like to have a hand put over my mouth and nose as I'm orgasming. It heightens the sensation, but obviously depends massively on trust.
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:eek:
 
Stella_Omega said:
it intensifies the orgasm, through the asphyxiation period and into the time that you've passed out. It creates a sense of stretched time- feels like you're coming forever, which is something men don't often get to experience.
For men, if he's close to orgasm, the choke will set it off. For women if she's already in orgasm, the choke will send her through the roof. It works real good with fisting...
This puts a whole new spin on the Othello-smothering-Desdemona scene :rolleyes:

I'm still a little mystified. I was under the impression that people starting to choke tend to panic. I rather think if I were being deprived of air, I would. But I guess if you're orgasming while doing it that might make it...less scary?
 
3113,

i think you're forgetting that the choking or other interruption--by noose-- is planned. the INTENT is to get giddy, dizzy, confused, start to lose consciousness. then the orgasm is supposed to take you to new heights. this is the theory. maybe it's true there's a new height, but the brain that is deprived of O2, while you're leaping cloud 9, has a very short time span before damage--a few mins-- and not that long before death-- 5-10mins. so those who 'play' alone, or with bungling partners or partners themselves high on drugs or whatever are subject to serious risk.

reminds me a bit of the movie 'flatliners,' but at least there were 3 med students on hand to bring the person back.
 
I actually once read an article on how to do this "safely." Basically the person writing the article explained how you have to arrange the noose so that when you pass out that it relieves the pressure on your throat. Very creepy. Of course, that was maybe ten years ago when the internet was most popular with the fringe sect and hadn't made it's way into everyone's home.

When I was in Junior High, there was a "fainting game" that people played. The idea was that you bent over at the waist and exhaled all the air you could, then you stand up quickly with your arms crossed over your chest. There also might have been something with someone pushing on your chest after you stood up. Basically it's a way to hold your breath long enough to pass out. We had a big assembly about it and one kid ended up in the nurse's office.
 
here are some stats for Scotland. but

i think the whole thing is vastly underreported. also you may be asphyxiated without 'hanging.'

anyone have an idea why it seems 80-90% boys?

Hanging Deaths in Children.

Articles

American Journal of Forensic Medicine & Pathology. 19(4):343-346, December 1998.

Wyatt, Jonathan P.; Wyatt, Polly W.; Squires, Tim J.; Busuttil, Anthony

Abstract:
Relatively little is known about death in children following hanging. This 12-year retrospective study in southeast Scotland revealed 12 such deaths among children <15 years of age, involving 10 boys and 2 girls. The rate of hanging deaths was 0.7 deaths/100,000 children/year and was equal to that from falls in children during this time period. The children who died following hanging were aged between 4 and 14 years. All 12 children were in cardiac arrest when found, and 11 were declared dead at the scene, demonstrating the limited potential to reduce the death rate through improved treatment. Scrutiny of the circumstances surrounding each death suggested that 6 of the deaths were accidents and 6 were suicides. There appears to be some, albeit limited, potential to prevent some hanging deaths in children through increased parental supervision, education, and restriction of access to ligatures.
 
Crazy.
How about having a sneeze while you orgasm?
If you really want to heighten your orgasm, smoke weed before fucking.
If you really want to play braindead, watch "The View".
 
Pure said:
i think the whole thing is vastly underreported. also you may be asphyxiated without 'hanging.'

anyone have an idea why it seems 80-90% boys?
Just a guess, but wouldn't it be both because boys masturbate more and because they take more risks (at least they used to...the world is definitely changing)? Most of us are completely ruled by our sex drive, especially as teens. Although some women are too, it's almost universal in boys.
 
Pure said:
Several people a year die from it in the UK. (Many more people die from falling out of bed).

You sound very dismissive. One US article put the number last year at 40 (known cases), for the US...

I'm not dismissing it, but it isn't a widespread practice here, nor is it the cause of many fatalities. It does happen but many more young people die from other risky behaviours. Male drivers under 21 are far more likely to kill themselves, their passengers and other motorists.

Auto accidents in the UK kill more people each year than war. Even in the year of the Falklands War, more people died on our roads than were killed in that war. Autoeroticism, even taking the highest possible guesstimate, kills fewer people in the UK in a year than die on our roads in a month - and our roads are very safe by European standards.

Og
 
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