Charter of the Fundamental Rights of the EU (not really a political thread)

[Lauren Hynde]

CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION

CHAPTER I

DIGNITY​

Article 1: Human dignity

Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected.​

Article 2: Right to life

1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.​

Article 3: Right to the integrity of the person

1. Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity.
2. In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular:

• the free and informed consent of the person concerned, according to the procedures laid down by law,
• the prohibition of eugenic practices, in particular those aiming at the selection of persons,
• the prohibition on making the human body and its parts as such a source of financial gain,
• the prohibition of the reproductive cloning of human beings.

Article 4: Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment

No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.​

Article 5: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

1. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.
2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.
3. Trafficking in human beings is prohibited.​

 

[minsue]

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[impressive]

Terri Schiavo could use this charter right about now.

 

[msboy8]

CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION

CHAPTER I

DIGNITY​

Article 1: Human dignity

Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected.​

Article 2: Right to life

1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.​

Article 3: Right to the integrity of the person

1. Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity.
2. In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular:

• the free and informed consent of the person concerned, according to the procedures laid down by law,
• the prohibition of eugenic practices, in particular those aiming at the selection of persons,
• the prohibition on making the human body and its parts as such a source of financial gain,
• the prohibition of the reproductive cloning of human beings.

Article 4: Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment

No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.​

Article 5: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

1. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.
2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.
3. Trafficking in human beings is prohibited.​

Thanks Lauren, but I'm sure the "Right to Life" doesn't mean the same thing it does in the US. My idea of EU is when you step in something you'd rather not have. (Ewwe)

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Thanks Lauren, but I'm sure the "Right to Life" doesn't mean the same thing it does in the US.

And how does that make you feel? It kind of scares me...

 

[minsue]

Thanks Lauren, but I'm sure the "Right to Life" doesn't mean the same thing it does in the US.

You mean "love 'em til they're born"?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Article 4: Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment

No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.​

Would this article raise some debate as well?

 

[msboy8]

You mean "love 'em til they're born"?

Not really, Love em before and after they are born. If you don't want kids, don't have unprotected sex, IMHO.

 

[minsue]

Not really, Love em before and after they are born. If you don't want kids, don't have unprotected sex, IMHO.

Maybe for you, not for most of the "right to life" ilk.

And I've already answered that statement on the other thread. No need for repeating.

 

[minsue]

Would this article raise some debate as well?

I believe the correct response to that question would be, "Duh."

 

[msboy8]

Sorry all, I'd rather not waste time arguing, so I'll leave peacefully, Bye.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Do you find it odd that the stereotypical right-to-lifer in the US is against the liberalisation of abortions, but in favour of the death penalty? That works for the other side as well.

 

[minsue]

Do you find it odd that the stereotypical right-to-lifer in the US is against the liberalisation of abortions, but in favour of the death penalty? That works for the other side as well.

Hence the "love 'em til they're born".

Of course, being liberal, I don't take issue nearly as much with the other side of the coin.

 

[rgraham666]

For me a fetus is just a potentiality. It isn't a life yet but could be.

A living human is more than a potentiality, although they may have potential. In the cases of someone to whom capital punishment is applied they have betrayed that potential.

There are three reasons I'm against capital punishment.

First we can't fix mistakes. And by my standards, if we execute a person for a crime they didn't commit makes us all guilty of first degree murder.

Second it won't be carried out fairly. When was the last time a rich white male was executed? Because of it's extremity capital punishment must be kept very fair.

And finally, capital punishment is more often a political tool than a judicial one. You need only look at the excessive number of minorities on Death Row for an example of that.

I would support capital punishment, but I don't think we human beings are wise enough to use it well.

 

[oggbashan]

Definitions are everything.

In EU terms the 'Everyone has the right to life.' covers those who are alive. To be one of 'everyone' you have to be born alive.

A premature birth is alive. A late abortion might also be 'alive'. The debate in EU terms is about where the overlap is between 'late abortion' and 'early birth' and is interpreted differently in the member states. Choice can be exercised by travel between states if a particular state has laws against terminations. That requires money so choice is only available to those who can afford it.

Religious and cultural norms restrict the availability not only of abortion but also contraception. Should choice be denied for those reasons? The question is unanswerable except by the individuals involved. There should not be external coercion to decide either way on what will be a life-changing decision yet almost all societies seem to consider that they have the right to direct what is 'right'. Without intimate knowledge of the individuals and their circumstances I consider it is better to remember 'Judge not that ye be not judged'.

Og

 

[Lauren Hynde]

CHAPTER II

FREEDOMS​

Article 6: Right to liberty and security

Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.​

Article 7: Respect for private and family life

Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications.​

Article 8: Protection of personal data

1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her.
2. Such data must be processed fairly for specified purposes and on the basis of the consent of the person concerned or some other legitimate basis laid down by law. Everyone has the right of access to data which has been collected concerning him or her, and the right to have it rectified.
3. Compliance with these rules shall be subject to control by an independent authority.​

Article 9: Right to marry and right to found a family

The right to marry and the right to found a family shall be guaranteed in accordance with the national laws governing the exercise of these rights.​

Article 10: Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
2. The right to conscientious objection is recognised, in accordance with the national laws governing the exercise of this right.​

Article 11: Freedom of expression and information

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.
2. The freedom and pluralism of the media shall be respected.​

Article 12: Freedom of assembly and of association

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association at all levels, in particular in political, trade union and civic matters, which implies the right of everyone to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his or her interests.
2. Political parties at Union level contribute to expressing the political will of the citizens of the Union.​

Article 13: Freedom of the arts and sciences

The arts and scientific research shall be free of constraint. Academic freedom shall be respected.​

Article 14: Right to education

1. Everyone has the right to education and to have access to vocational and continuing training.
2. This right includes the possibility to receive free compulsory education.
3. The freedom to found educational establishments with due respect for democratic principles and the right of parents to ensure the education and teaching of their children in conformity with their religious, philosophical and pedagogical convictions shall be respected, in accordance with the national laws governing the exercise of such freedom and right.​

Article 15: Freedom to choose an occupation and right to engage in work

1. Everyone has the right to engage in work and to pursue a freely chosen or accepted occupation.
2. Every citizen of the Union has the freedom to seek employment, to work, to exercise the right of establishment and to provide services in any Member State.
3. Nationals of third countries who are authorised to work in the territories of the Member States are entitled to working conditions equivalent to those of citizens of the Union.​

Article 16: Freedom to conduct a business

The freedom to conduct a business in accordance with Community law and national laws and practices is recognised.​

Article 17: Right to property

1. Everyone has the right to own, use, dispose of and bequeath his or her lawfully acquired possessions. No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss. The use of property may be regulated by law in so far as is necessary for the general interest.
2. Intellectual property shall be protected.​

Article 18: Right to asylum

The right to asylum shall be guaranteed with due respect for the rules of the Geneva Convention of 28 July 1951 and the Protocol of 31 January 1967 relating to the status of refugees and in accordance with the Treaty establishing the European Community.​

Article 19: Protection in the event of removal, expulsion or extradition

1. Collective expulsions are prohibited.
2. No one may be removed, expelled or extradited to a State where there is a serious risk that he or she would be subjected to the death penalty, torture or other inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.​

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Do you find it odd that the stereotypical right-to-lifer in the US is against the liberalisation of abortions, but in favour of the death penalty? That works for the other side as well.

That would be me I guess, but I'm Pro Choice. I do believe in the death penalty.

Very interesting thread Lauren, and insightful....glad you posted it.

 

[rgraham666]

I always worry about property laws.

Some people get very confused about the concept and start thinking other people are property.

Spouses are the worst for this, with employers not far behind, in my opinion.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

What does one consider "intellectual property"?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

What does one consider "intellectual property"?

Intellectual property refers to creations of the mind: inventions, literary and artistic works, and symbols, names, images, and designs used in commerce.

Intellectual property is divided into two categories: Industrial property, which includes inventions (patents), trademarks, industrial designs, and geographic indications of source; and Copyright, which includes literary and artistic works such as novels, poems and plays, films, musical works, artistic works such as drawings, paintings, photographs and sculptures, and architectural designs. Rights related to copyright include those of performing artists in their performances, producers of phonograms in their recordings, and those of broadcasters in their radio and television programs.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Intellectual property refers to creations of the mind: inventions, literary and artistic works, and symbols, names, images, and designs used in commerce.

Intellectual property is divided into two categories: Industrial property, which includes inventions (patents), trademarks, industrial designs, and geographic indications of source; and Copyright, which includes literary and artistic works such as novels, poems and plays, films, musical works, artistic works such as drawings, paintings, photographs and sculptures, and architectural designs. Rights related to copyright include those of performing artists in their performances, producers of phonograms in their recordings, and those of broadcasters in their radio and television programs.

That, I find comfort in.........thank you for the clarification, I have slight brain damage today.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I always worry about property laws.

Some people get very confused about the concept and start thinking other people are property.

Spouses are the worst for this, with employers not far behind, in my opinion.

Yes, that's true, but one of the articles I'll be posting later on, the last article of the charter, says that Nothing in this Charter shall be interpreted as implying any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms recognised in this Charter or at their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for herein.

Article 5: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

1. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.
2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.
3. Trafficking in human beings is prohibited.​

Article 6: Right to liberty and security

Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.​

 

[Lauren Hynde]

In the cases of someone to whom capital punishment is applied they have betrayed that potential.

That is a common argument for death penalty, but Everyone has the right to life. If society decides to open exceptions, any moral grounds the society as a whole has will disappear. We're betraying our potential, and are no better than any criminal.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

That is a common argument for death penalty, but Everyone has the right to life. If society decides to open exceptions, any moral grounds the society as a whole has will disappear. We're betraying our potential, and are no better than any criminal.

ooooooohhhhh I so wanna argue this, but don't want to sound like a pretentious ass.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

ooooooohhhhh I so wanna argue this, but don't want to sound like a pretentious ass.

Please do!