Cervical Penetration

[VelvetDarkness]

In lieu of a cervix, though, perhaps you could prolapse your rectum and practice on that. While it's not a 1:1 relation, as I pointed out earlier, when you get that stuff to protrude the other way and then play with it, I think you can practice by staving off death by peritonitis on yourself. That should prepare you for risk management.

I just Netz.

 

[ownedsubgal]

so the reality is that if the seeker of cervical penetration found such a willing participant, the interaction might feed his fantasy and hers, yet the "extreme surrender" has no objective reality. he's an inch deeper true, but in another sense, no-wise closer to her; nor in any greater degree does he dominate her or she submit..

the strong negative responses to this thread have reminded me to a degree of the responses i received when i shared my fantasy of and fascination with female circumcision/nullification. most people are so mentally and emotionally roadblocked by the extreme-ness of it, the unpolitically correct non-SSC-ness of it, the physical risks involved, etc., that they cannot see beyond that to how and why such a thing could appeal to some.

Pure's comment above, that the physical act of cervical penetration alone is not going to enhance the control, the surrender, the D/s dynamic as a whole is true. He made a similar comment on my fem. circumcision thread. but why the assumption that this fantasy of YC's merely involves forcing a finger or cock in a submissive's cervix? that it would be some cold mechanical act devoid of context? much of the appeal for female circumsion in my mind lies in how it could further purify or reinforce a slave's submission and service. but of course this would involve more than just some nipping and tucking of girlie bits, the procedure itself would be a part of an overall conditioning by one's Master to be selfless, to cast off any desire for or even recollection of self-focused pleasures, to know and accept without question that indeed, it is ALL for him, etc. and i imagine YC's fantasy could run along similar lines...the cervical penetration itself is just one part of a greater picture of the sort of submission (and sort of submissive) he desires and wishes to cultivate.

extreme, yes. dangerous, yes. possibly somewhat delusional even. but imo, so is organized religion.

 

[satindesire]

*Snip*

extreme, yes. dangerous, yes. possibly somewhat delusional even. but imo, so is organized religion.

Well, IMO, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

 

[Netzach]

the strong negative responses to this thread have reminded me to a degree of the responses i received when i shared my fantasy of and fascination with female circumcision/nullification. most people are so mentally and emotionally roadblocked by the extreme-ness of it, the unpolitically correct non-SSC-ness of it, the physical risks involved, etc., that they cannot see beyond that to how and why such a thing could appeal to some.

Pure's comment above, that the physical act of cervical penetration alone is not going to enhance the control, the surrender, the D/s dynamic as a whole is true. He made a similar comment on my fem. circumcision thread. but why the assumption that this fantasy of YC's merely involves forcing a finger or cock in a submissive's cervix? that it would be some cold mechanical act devoid of context? much of the appeal for female circumsion in my mind lies in how it could further purify or reinforce a slave's submission and service. but of course this would involve more than just some nipping and tucking of girlie bits, the procedure itself would be a part of an overall conditioning by one's Master to be selfless, to cast off any desire for or even recollection of self-focused pleasures, to know and accept without question that indeed, it is ALL for him, etc. and i imagine YC's fantasy could run along similar lines...the cervical penetration itself is just one part of a greater picture of the sort of submission (and sort of submissive) he desires and wishes to cultivate.

extreme, yes. dangerous, yes. possibly somewhat delusional even. but imo, so is organized religion.

That doesn't bother me remotely as much, actually. Snipping one's good bits is a fairly low-risk procedure if you can find someone to do it for you. The psych fallout can be all yours if you want it, go for it. If it's culturally important to you, I can't see how sticking my white western nose in your beeswax helps - though if you do NOT want it, I'm the first to say you should be able to leave your culture if it means enough to you, not get killed.

To be clear: if the biggest pig bottom boy in the world came in here "how do I get my rectum prolapsed for my Master?" I'd have a similar response for similar reasons.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

to know and accept without question that indeed, it is ALL for him, etc. and i imagine YC's fantasy could run along similar lines...the cervical penetration itself is just one part of a greater picture of the sort of submission (and sort of submissive) he desires and wishes to cultivate.

extreme, yes. dangerous, yes. possibly somewhat delusional even. but imo, so is organized religion.

Is it all for him if he damages a sub irreparably? What good to him is a slave with a prolapsed womb or cervix? A barren slave? A slave with a serious uterine infection?

Is it truly possible to know enough or be equipped enough to make a procedure like cervical penetration risk manageable? It's not like YC can line up a string of women to practice on until he gets it 'right.' Cervical penetration is far more hazardous than female circumcision. People still do female circumcisions around campfires in deepest, darkest Africa and survive.

I understand how you feel about extreme kinks being maligned because you often come out in defence of people's wackier ideas but in this case, I just don't see the 2 procedures as comparable when it comes to risk.

 

[ecstaticsub]

Is it all for him if he damages a sub irreparably? What good to him is a slave with a prolapsed womb or cervix? A barren slave? A slave with a serious uterine infection?

[snip]

I've been following this thread quietly. I in no way think cervical penetration is a good idea nor do i think there is a safe way of doing it, however...

I have had a prolapsed uterus and cervix, along with a rectocele and cystocele. I think I am still of use to my PYL even though I had a hysterectomy. My prolapses weren't due to cervical penetration or due to any damage. (other than perhaps childbirth). It is very serious surgery though. It took me over a year afterwards to be able to have an orgasm again. It was as if my body had to learn how to cum without the uterine contractions that come with a very powerful orgasm.

YC--read up on prolapse, especially women who have had serious problems afterwards. Since my surgery I can never do either anal or vaginal fisting along with some other precautions that I must follow. The fear of vaginal prolapse is something I worry about anytime I am involved with very aggressive sex.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I have had a prolapsed uterus and cervix, along with a rectocele and cystocele. I think I am still of use to my PYL even though I had a hysterectomy. My prolapses weren't due to cervical penetration or due to any damage. (other than perhaps childbirth). It is very serious surgery though. It took me over a year afterwards to be able to have an orgasm again. It was as if my body had to learn how to cum without the uterine contractions that come with a very powerful orgasm.

Oh dear, that'll teach me to be flippant. I in no way meant to imply that a woman with a prolapsed uterus/cervix was no use to anyone. I apologise if you found that post offensive in any way.

What I meant to illustrate was that deliberately penetrating a cervix and causing serious gynae problems as a result would leave a PYL disadvantaged as a result, which I think makes the 'all for him' argument questionable. Even the most self seeking PYL should be able to consider risk management in terms of the viability of a pyl for future use, even if other considerations regarding possible damage are deemed irrelevant.

 

[ecstaticsub]

Oh dear, that'll teach me to be flippant. I in no way meant to imply that a woman with a prolapsed uterus/cervix was no use to anyone. I apologise if you found that post offensive in any way.

What I meant to illustrate was that deliberately penetrating a cervix and causing serious gynae problems as a result would leave a PYL disadvantaged as a result, which I think makes the 'all for him' argument questionable. Even the most self seeking PYL should be able to consider risk management in terms of the viability of a pyl for future use, even if other considerations regarding possible damage are deemed irrelevant.

No worries..I wasn't offended. Just couldn't let it go without a comment.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Is it all for him if he damages a sub irreparably? What good to him is a slave with a prolapsed womb or cervix? A barren slave? A slave with a serious uterine infection?

Is it truly possible to know enough or be equipped enough to make a procedure like cervical penetration risk manageable? It's not like YC can line up a string of women to practice on until he gets it 'right.' Cervical penetration is far more hazardous than female circumcision. People still do female circumcisions around campfires in deepest, darkest Africa and survive.

I understand how you feel about extreme kinks being maligned because you often come out in defence of people's wackier ideas but in this case, I just don't see the 2 procedures as comparable when it comes to risk.

a Master informs himself of any potential risks and it his choice whether or not he finds those risks acceptable to servce his purpose. there are some Masters who would consider the potential for their slave to cry tears of genuine suffering and pain too high risk to engage in a particular activity...others accept far more. i can say that my own Master would not prevent himself from having or experiencing something truly important to him simply because it may cause me to be barren, or to have a treatable infection. we really do not know exactly what YC considers to be acceptable risks, to say that the risk would be too high. the risk may simply be too high for YOU (or your Owner).

 

[Homburg]

a Master informs himself of any potential risks and it his choice whether or not he finds those risks acceptable to servce his purpose. there are some Masters who would consider the potential for their slave to cry tears of genuine suffering and pain too high risk to engage in a particular activity...others accept far more. i can say that my own Master would not prevent himself from having or experiencing something truly important to him simply because it may cause me to be barren, or to have a treatable infection. we really do not know exactly what YC considers to be acceptable risks, to say that the risk would be too high. the risk may simply be too high for YOU (or your Owner).

I feel fairly safe in saying that *most* people would consider a staph infection, in this sort of arena, to be an unmanageable risk. The rest, well, I can imagine that there are people out there that would not just be fine with a barren slave, and even consider it a plus. And there are some for whom the health risks, and financial burden, of surgery to handle the resulting issues would be acceptable. Some people are turned on by surgery after all. Staph infections are a bit tougher to deal with, especially given the increasing incidence of drug-resistant staph. Nasty, nasty stuff.

Again, it is a risk that can be theoretically predicted, and a truly sociopathic owner would not care, but *most* people would be put off by the high chance of infection if nothing else, simply because that risk exists even if you manage to somehow "safely" dilate the cervix.

That said, different people have different tolerances for risk. The issue here is the admitted lack of knowledge on his part. No one can manage a risk they are unaware of, plain and simple. Various people here have appraised him of the risks, and I see nothing wrong with that.

Now, if he were discussing a kink that he was experienced in, had studied, and performed successfully multiple times, I would think that there would be a different tone. Then I would probably agree that varying levels of risk-aversion are the province of the individual.

 

[Pure]

reply to osg

osg //Pure's comment above, that the physical act of cervical penetration alone is not going to enhance the control, the surrender, the D/s dynamic as a whole is true. He made a similar comment on my fem. circumcision thread. but why the assumption that this fantasy of YC's merely involves forcing a finger or cock in a submissive's cervix? that it would be some cold mechanical act devoid of context? much of the appeal for female circumsion in my mind lies in how it could further purify or reinforce a slave's submission and service.

but of course this would involve more than just some nipping and tucking of girlie bits, the procedure itself would be a part of an overall conditioning by one's Master to be selfless, to cast off any desire for or even recollection of self-focused pleasures, to know and accept without question that indeed, it is ALL for him, etc. and i imagine YC's fantasy could run along similar lines...the cervical penetration itself is just one part of a greater picture of the sort of submission (and sort of submissive) he desires and wishes to cultivate.

extreme, yes. dangerous, yes. possibly somewhat delusional even. but imo, so is organized religion. //

Pure: in theory you are right, osg, there might be nothing wrong with two lovers who agree to cut off their left hands for each other. and their might be nothing wrong with a slave who sacrifices her cervix or has her uterus removed for her master; nor with the male slave who presents his severed cock and balls to his owner.

possibly all parties would find it moving and meaningful. Mr Miewes the cannibal and mr brandes, his dinner, found it moving and meaningful too.

it's true too that some horse owners have their [male] horses castrated, so they behave better; but in many cases it suits the owner to have the sexual reproductive functioning intact: the male horse may serve as stud, and the female may bear a colt.

so, osg, it is my impression that balanced and sane owners do NOT order or countenance serious self mutilation, including sexual. they reject offers to sacrifice clits, labia, cervices, penes, and balls. your old postings provide supporting evidence.

iirc (since you posted it publicly) i will mention that your owner did NOT countenance your 'nullification' idea (nor i speculate, your damaging your cervix to allow penetration but prevent normal periods and childbearing); neither would mine allow castration, were it offered.

here, netzach and others have offered similar opinions. the reasons for not accepting mutilation offerings are rather obvious, so far as i can understand the mind of the top:

1) one's pride as owner. you don't buy a prize parrot and shave off his feathers, nor a greyhound and remove one leg to evidence his belonging to you; the breasts of a female slave are part of her plumage. why acquire her and ask for-- let her show--surrender by cutting them off?

2) the sexual organs of the 'pet' belong to the master and have uses, intact: i believe you gave the example of pimping you out; your vagina and some surrounding 'bits' make that a viable task. preservings of genitalia are not altruistic acts by owners (saving my pet so she or he won't be upset); they are, possibly quite selfish. pimping you might be fun and profitable. similarly were my testicles removed, my owner could not play or roughhouse with them when she pleases.

3) the motives of a person offering self mutilation are, in general, suspect; they are more likely unhealthy than merely connected with 'display of devotion'.

4) the owner's fulfillment of fiduciary duties, not to say legal ones, may be impinged upon. the dom/me or owner who allows a self mutilation at one time, may find that the slave's being damaged "on his or her [owner's] watch" has untoward consequences. a mutilated slave, five years up the road, may realize the pure fantasy of it, and consult as lawyer regarding a lawsuit.

my own thinking, while not restricting a master's power, is that *sexuality* (including responsiveness) more than Asexuality [as mentioned in another thread] is *an avenue to subjection.* the erect cock or the wet pussy can be points of great vulnerability . further, your wet pussy has market value, more than if shriveled and dry, following your grand offering of a hysterectomy. even unaroused the organs present possibilities.

i cannot speak for any master or owner, but my impression is that sane and balanced ones, in general, do NOT accept serious self mutilations, regardless of the theoretical possibility of their serving as landmark indicators of supreme surrender. but i will stand corrected if you or others post material to the contrary.

it follows, then, that almost all accounts you read: 'slavejohn had his balls removed by his mistress, at his request, to show his servitude,' are pure maso fantasy. and cervical damage to show your devotion is likewise fantasy, i submit. it's not to be carried out, likely not as any part of fulfilling your owner's current wishes, so far as i gather them.

 

[intothewoods]

I hadn't read this thread until now. I wondered if anything would be too much for this board. Apparently, yes: cervical penetration. Noted for the record.

 

[Homburg]

I hadn't read this thread until now. I wondered if anything would be too much for this board. Apparently, yes: cervical penetration. Noted for the record.

Ha!

 

[BiBunny]

I hadn't read this thread until now. I wondered if anything would be too much for this board. Apparently, yes: cervical penetration. Noted for the record.

You know, itw, I don't think it's the topic that's the problem. I think it's the way it's being presented.

I mean, hell, I have snuff fantasies I've talked about here on more than one occasion--and that's way more intense than this--, and nobody jumped on me for it. Of course, "fantasies" is the operative word there. If I came here asking the best way to have some guy drown me in the bathtub, I'd expect to have my ass handed to me.

 

[Netzach]

I feel fairly safe in saying that *most* people would consider a staph infection, in this sort of arena, to be an unmanageable risk. The rest, well, I can imagine that there are people out there that would not just be fine with a barren slave, and even consider it a plus. And there are some for whom the health risks, and financial burden, of surgery to handle the resulting issues would be acceptable. Some people are turned on by surgery after all. Staph infections are a bit tougher to deal with, especially given the increasing incidence of drug-resistant staph. Nasty, nasty stuff.

Again, it is a risk that can be theoretically predicted, and a truly sociopathic owner would not care, but *most* people would be put off by the high chance of infection if nothing else, simply because that risk exists even if you manage to somehow "safely" dilate the cervix.

That said, different people have different tolerances for risk. The issue here is the admitted lack of knowledge on his part. No one can manage a risk they are unaware of, plain and simple. Various people here have appraised him of the risks, and I see nothing wrong with that.

Now, if he were discussing a kink that he was experienced in, had studied, and performed successfully multiple times, I would think that there would be a different tone. Then I would probably agree that varying levels of risk-aversion are the province of the individual.

Control of risk is another issue. Control of the infection possibilities of a needle stick is something that a layperson can do. Control of the infection possibilities of invasive surgical procedure is not, no matter who they think they are. To merely pronounce a risk acceptable to oneself while completely UNABLE to mitigate it at all, well that's just not Dominance it's folly.

My mother is in OR tech school, it's a year to be able to supervise a sterile environment and hand implements to a surgeon. If it's that important, then fine, go to OR tech school. If your fetish is that big a deal commit to it.

 

[Homburg]

Control of risk is another issue. Control of the infection possibilities of a needle stick is something that a layperson can do. Control of the infection possibilities of invasive surgical procedure is not, no matter who they think they are. To merely pronounce a risk acceptable to oneself while completely UNABLE to mitigate it at all, well that's just not Dominance it's folly.

My mother is in OR tech school, it's a year to be able to supervise a sterile environment and hand implements to a surgeon. If it's that important, then fine, go to OR tech school. If your fetish is that big a deal commit to it.

Pretty much my position. If performing invasive body altering surgery is your thing, go become a surgeon. Learn to do it the right way.

 

[intothewoods]

You know, itw, I don't think it's the topic that's the problem. I think it's the way it's being presented.

I mean, hell, I have snuff fantasies I've talked about here on more than one occasion--and that's way more intense than this--, and nobody jumped on me for it. Of course, "fantasies" is the operative word there. If I came here asking the best way to have some guy drown me in the bathtub, I'd expect to have my ass handed to me.

Oh well, don't get me wrong. I do think the topic is a problem. I just thought bestiality was one too, but everyone was like, yo, my love for Fido is real! And, step off, bitch! When I said I like pussy, I meant I like PUSSY!

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I know from nursing and woundcare that maintaining a sterile field takes practise and concentration. It only take the merest slip up to touch something unsterile. One must also remember that a patient is themselves unsterile and therefore anything that touches them must do so once only and be discarded. This makes something that is going to be fundamentally trial and error to begin with (and I still don't believe I'm hypothetically countenancing the idea) very high risk in terms of maintaining implement sterility. You also need sterile gloves, surgical hand scrub and other things.

Even if YC went off and became a qualified surgeon, nobody is going to teach him how to achieve CP. Surgery is a highly specialised field. Only on TV does the same surgeon remove an appendix, repair a lung and replace a heart valve all on the same shift. My point is that even becoming a surgeon is going to leave YC with a huge shortfall of information and as we all know, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. That's why nurses are taught over and over to know the limits of their training and hand things over to doctors sooner rather than later. Being able to manage a sterile field, sterilise implements effectively and so on is only half the battle here.

 

[taniaaust1]

YC.. i couldnt view the file to see what the others saw cause of an issue with my computer, (i wish i could of checked it out!) but would like to comment on this subject.

im currently playing with a very experienced and well recognised in the BDSM community Dom in my city, who has extreme medical fetishes and fetishes with this topic.

i know He has fantasies of having His cock in my cervix but at this point dont know if that is where our play is going to lead (as i havent asked Him about all this but i trust Him fully if that is where O/our play is going to be going too).

He's started doing cervical dilation on me (umm is it called "sounding"?? ? He called it a name.. anyway He's got a set of proper medical tools just for this). So far ive loved this play. i assume over time He's going to be further and further stretching my cervix by using a one of the wider ones of the set. (He's only using the smallest cervical dilator on me currently).

He's very careful and thou i wanted pain in the last session of this and hoped He'd stretch my cervix to the point of giving me pain, He didnt do it to a point of giving me pain, (He thou had expected me to get pain from it...but i feel pain a lot less than most, ive had a couple of Doms tell me im abnormal).. but it did apparently make me bleed a little bit. (He said it was only a drop, it wasnt enough to notice myself that He'd made me bleed.

Anyway.. i just wanted to post my so far experience of cervical dilation, of this as a sub.. I myself liked it.. wanted far more.
It makes me feel much more exposed (i like feeling very exposed ) than i usually do. (He also had me held open with some kind of special spectum..so He could see properly what He was doing). ive gotten no infection from this kind of play.

i'll ask Him if it's possible to strength cervix far enough OVER TIME to actually get cock in it.. or if what He said about that was just a fantasy of His. If it can be done without too much risk He would know, i'll let You know.

 

[taniaaust1]

i are not saying that this kind of play is without risk

but i think there is some risk in any form of extreme play, whether it is this, needle play, suffocation play or whatever... and some of U/us are extremer than others or have different experience in certain areas than others.

Any play is a matter of being fully aware of the risks and making decisions on how one feels about those risks.

Something may not be anothers cup of tea.. but that dont mean that others may not like it.. both Dom and SUB alike.

Just as a vanilla may verbally bash us for just doing or having a light flogging or for doing caning for punishment (that horrifies most vanillas). Sadly, many in our community bash others in the community, based on things which they may not understand fully or like. Just cause something isnt Y/your kink... it may not mean others dont have that kink.

The original poster hasnt just gone out there and tried to do this on His sub.. but is trying to find out about it, as any responsible person does. Maybe there are O/others out there who are getting their cocks in their subs cervix's without any issues due to the way they've gone about things??????

Research and Take care!

 

[Netzach]

Doing medical play with implements suited for the purpose is a complete apple to the orange of the OP. Even so, I think that sounding is one of those things you want to learn how to do from a twisted nurse not a message board, maybe that's my own bias.

 

[Homburg]

i are not saying that this kind of play is without risk

but i think there is some risk in any form of extreme play, whether it is this, needle play, suffocation play or whatever... and some of U/us are extremer than others or have different experience in certain areas than others.

Any play is a matter of being fully aware of the risks and making decisions on how one feels about those risks.

All of the experience in the world is insufficient to do suffocation play safely. The body reacts randomly to it, and the person that was fine with it one hundred times may just as easily go arrythmic on the hundred and first time, and suffer brain damage or death from depressed cardiac function and arrythmia. And there is no way at all to predict or manage the brain damage that occurs as a result of "normal" suffocation play.

Not disagreeing with your entire post, as I do some things that other people consider very risky, but suffocation play is just too damned random, and people don't talk about that when they engage in it. Let's face it, how much training does it take to put your hands over someone's mouth and nose? People just do it.

There is a reason why autoerotic asphyxiation is the big killer in BDSM-related deaths.

 

[taniaaust1]

All of the experience in the world is insufficient to do suffocation play safely. The body reacts randomly to it, and the person that was fine with it one hundred times may just as easily go arrythmic on the hundred and first time, and suffer brain damage or death from depressed cardiac function and arrythmia. And there is no way at all to predict or manage the brain damage that occurs as a result of "normal" suffocation play.

Not disagreeing with your entire post, as I do some things that other people consider very risky, but suffocation play is just too damned random, and people don't talk about that when they engage in it. Let's face it, how much training does it take to put your hands over someone's mouth and nose? People just do it.

There is a reason why autoerotic asphyxiation is the big killer in BDSM-related deaths.

nods yeah i agree with you there, i myself dont practice it, thou i have had it done to me once without my will (and saw a lot of pretty exploding lights out of it so it didnt end up being a bad experience for myself, but that dont mean im going to go playing with it!!!).

It was a bad example for me to use but i was just trying to make a point that there is risk in most of the stuff we do in some way or another.. hey you can break a cock riding on it hard and coming down onto it wrong!!
Individuals just access the risks and everyone being individual.. some take more risk than others.

anyway.. i do wish i hadnt used that example i did. Thanks.

 

[Pure]

note to tania

T He's very careful and thou i wanted pain in the last session of this and hoped He'd stretch my cervix to the point of giving me pain, He didnt do it to a point of giving me pain, (He thou had expected me to get pain from it...but i feel pain a lot less than most, ive had a couple of Doms tell me im abnormal).. but it did apparently make me bleed a little bit. (He said it was only a drop, it wasnt enough to notice myself that He'd made me bleed.

Anyway.. i just wanted to post my so far experience of cervical dilation, of this as a sub.. I myself liked it.. wanted far more.
It makes me feel much more exposed (i like feeling very exposed ) than i usually do. (He also had me held open with some kind of special spectum..so He could see properly what He was doing). ive gotten no infection from this kind of play.

Sounds for insertion have to be sterilized, or at least disinfected. I don't see that small sound insertions into the cervix is that much worse than, in the male, sound insertions into the bladder. Both are sterile areas. As well, as sound might be inserted into your bladder, very carefully.

YC's proposal however was rather different: dilate a cervix enough to get his cock in; then do it. That would likely take a few hours, at best, and the cock insertion kinda fucks up the sterility. I suppose it's a bit like dilating your urethra to allow intercourse, so that a cock could penetrate to your bladder and come inside; that's not sterile and likely dangerous.

FURTHER YC did not just propose to open and fuck; that would allow for closure, return of the cervix to intactness to allow for menstruation and pregnancy. Rather the video showed a cervix that apparently could 'take' a finger without a problem; it was so to say, permanently dilated, and no longer able to fulfill its function.

While i don't rule that [cervical mutilation] out, in theory, as service, it gets into the area of extreme body modification. Like a slave who's to become hysterectomized, or if a male, to have his balls removed. I don't think most sane and humane dom/mes want --or allow--these things. I suspect this is true even of the Dom you mention. Why don't you ask him about womb or inner labia and clit removal; it would be interesting to hear his opinion?

I say the sane, and humane dom/me wants his or her prize possession intact, not mutilated and dysfunctional. I'd add too that for a dom/me to DO these things I've just mentioned would be illegal as well as cruel, despite alleged consent. Persons doing asked-for male castrations have been arrested.

 

[YourCaptor]

Thats it, I gave up on getting anything out of this thread already, and if you all want to keep discussing the topic thats fine.

However do not put words in my mouth.