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Cervical Penetration
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faeriefire
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YC, just ouch!!! I get how the concept/fantasy could be erotic. The actuality...*winces* as for inserting IUD's the cervix is still not dilated any more than necessary for the device to be inserted. And even then there is risk of infection, tearing, discomfort, spotting. You're talking highly vascularized tissue. There are reasons the body protects itself so well. Messing with that...dunno YC...sometimes it's good to respect the body's defense systems...
And to think about the consequences...if you were actually to do it you'd have to effectively sterilize yourself...somehow. She'd have to be prepared for the possibility of a failed cervix, and the likelihood of not being able to carry a child. Not to mention the immediate pain and grossness of the sloughed uterine lining. Now why is this still appealing???
The examples you gave above...yeah, you're probably right that at one time they were less common, but they can be accomplished without undue long-term damage. I don't believe there's a way to accomplish cervical penetration without severely traumatizing the woman, definately physically and probably psychologically as well if she consents and then realizes afterwards what she chose to put herself through. Good luck tho on figuring it out. No doubt if there's a safe way to accomplish this you'll find it...
And to think about the consequences...if you were actually to do it you'd have to effectively sterilize yourself...somehow. She'd have to be prepared for the possibility of a failed cervix, and the likelihood of not being able to carry a child. Not to mention the immediate pain and grossness of the sloughed uterine lining. Now why is this still appealing???
The examples you gave above...yeah, you're probably right that at one time they were less common, but they can be accomplished without undue long-term damage. I don't believe there's a way to accomplish cervical penetration without severely traumatizing the woman, definately physically and probably psychologically as well if she consents and then realizes afterwards what she chose to put herself through. Good luck tho on figuring it out. No doubt if there's a safe way to accomplish this you'll find it...
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I thought that a kinky themed board would be me more accepting of my kink, but no, now I'm getting my intelligence mocked.
I don't understand it, present something different and everyones running scared.
YC, no one here is running scared and sorry to say but your intelligence need's to be shown for it to be mocked. Your wanting obsessively to do this is simply bordering on assinine.
You have gotten some very intelligent responses to your post and yet you insist that it is something you just have to try.
Remember too, everything you see on a vid on the net isn't necessarily real, no matter what they say.
and not everything relating to weird sex is kinky, why not try erotic asphyxiation instead.... on you by you and see where that takes you.
Note:
(An IUD is most often used on a woman who has already been pregnant at some point in her life.
In theory, the cervix has already been stretched a teeny bit more than a "never been pregnant female.) I've had it done once, many, many years ago and yes it was painful and the cramps are
almost unbearable.)
I don't understand it, present something different and everyones running scared.
YC, no one here is running scared and sorry to say but your intelligence need's to be shown for it to be mocked. Your wanting obsessively to do this is simply bordering on assinine.
You have gotten some very intelligent responses to your post and yet you insist that it is something you just have to try.
Remember too, everything you see on a vid on the net isn't necessarily real, no matter what they say.
and not everything relating to weird sex is kinky, why not try erotic asphyxiation instead.... on you by you and see where that takes you.
Note:
(An IUD is most often used on a woman who has already been pregnant at some point in her life.
In theory, the cervix has already been stretched a teeny bit more than a "never been pregnant female.) I've had it done once, many, many years ago and yes it was painful and the cramps are
almost unbearable.)
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EmpressFi
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"Your uterus (womb in which a fetus develops) is normally held in place inside your pelvis with various muscles, tissue, and ligaments. Sometimes—because of childbirth or difficult labor and delivery—these muscles weaken. As a woman ages and with a natural loss of the hormone estrogen, her uterus can collapse into the vaginal canal, causing the condition known as a prolapsed uterus. "
When I worked Med-Surg, I actually had to catheterize an older woman with a prolapsed uterus. *shudders* And from looking at the part of the video (I couldnt stand to watch it all as it was more disgusting than 2 girls and a cup), I'd say that in order to get her cervix that low, she too has a prolapsed uterus. As a couple of people have mentioned, it is the hormones that move through our bloodstream with increasing arousal that tighten some ligaments and loosen others. In fact, in most women, orgasm starts that the top of the uterus and moves outward to the labia.
I agree that your desire to "get this" because you want it, by god, just shows how foolish and uncaring as a HUMAN BEING that you really are. Yes, many things we all do here have some risk but the fact that not even the risk of the permanent physical and psychological damage, even septis that can lead to death will dissuade you from getting what you want and then throwing a tantrum because people here wont pat you on the back and say By god that's a GREAT idea.. why havent I made my girl do that.. just really makes your maturity level and intelligence shine.
You stated in the beginning that you knew there were many negative aspects to this and that you yourself didnt know how the woman's physiology worked, and several WOMEN have told you how it worked and exactly how dangerous it would be to actually try it and yet you ignore their comments and get pissed off, brushing off their comments just as you accuse them of brushing off yours.
When I worked Med-Surg, I actually had to catheterize an older woman with a prolapsed uterus. *shudders* And from looking at the part of the video (I couldnt stand to watch it all as it was more disgusting than 2 girls and a cup), I'd say that in order to get her cervix that low, she too has a prolapsed uterus. As a couple of people have mentioned, it is the hormones that move through our bloodstream with increasing arousal that tighten some ligaments and loosen others. In fact, in most women, orgasm starts that the top of the uterus and moves outward to the labia.
I agree that your desire to "get this" because you want it, by god, just shows how foolish and uncaring as a HUMAN BEING that you really are. Yes, many things we all do here have some risk but the fact that not even the risk of the permanent physical and psychological damage, even septis that can lead to death will dissuade you from getting what you want and then throwing a tantrum because people here wont pat you on the back and say By god that's a GREAT idea.. why havent I made my girl do that.. just really makes your maturity level and intelligence shine.
You stated in the beginning that you knew there were many negative aspects to this and that you yourself didnt know how the woman's physiology worked, and several WOMEN have told you how it worked and exactly how dangerous it would be to actually try it and yet you ignore their comments and get pissed off, brushing off their comments just as you accuse them of brushing off yours.
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YC, IMO it's all about safe and sane...
1. It's not safe, not at all, you yourself stated that in the very first post.
What Primalex said and also you, about it being somehow similar to anal sex or anal fisting is simply bullshit!
The one and crucial difference is sterility.
The anus is constructed to deal with "dirt", with germs of all sorts... its like the dirt-bin of the body...
Whereas the uterus is the opposite. It's the place in the body where has to be perfect sterility to provide a safe and protected place for a new life to start and grow. And the entrance to this place is the cervix. which you want to break...
So, however you will turn it, it's not safe...
2. And so much not safe that I personally would doubt the sanity of a woman who would allow you to do this to her.
You remember the cannibal who was caught here in Germany some years ago?
Yes, his victim gave his cock to him voluntarily... But was this SSC? No! That man can't have been sane... That's my opinion...
So, it's not SSC and that's why people don't agree with you...
"I want this, and if their is a way to got it I will have it."
This is a sentence which could have come directly from that German cannibal...
There is one thing more I want to say.
I had the strange feeling that in the beginning you yourself were not that decided to get this experience... just intrigued and excited by the vid...
But the more negative feedback you got, the more decided you appear to me...
Feels a bit like a child which gets the more rebellious the more you deny him a wish...
And finally I get a bit sarcastic: I read a story long ago on Lit about a rich, sick, contorted old man, who was only able to have an O inside the living beating heart of a young girl. He found a corrupt surgeon and a girl who needed a whole lot of money for a severely ill relative and so agreed on having that done to her.
The surgeon "prepared" the girl with anaestetics and then an open wound underneath her sternum. I don't remember who the author went on because I got so sick...
I think the surgeon tried to "repair" the damage after the man pumped his load directly into the blood of the girl.
He was fantasizing and marvelling in the knowledge that his seed (and through that also he himself) was literally in her heart, blood and finally also in her brain...
Unfortunately I didn't manage to find you the story as the search-function seems to be unavailable ATM.
Cmon, go for it! Isn't that much cooler than your seed up at the place where it belongs??
1. It's not safe, not at all, you yourself stated that in the very first post.
What Primalex said and also you, about it being somehow similar to anal sex or anal fisting is simply bullshit!
The one and crucial difference is sterility.
The anus is constructed to deal with "dirt", with germs of all sorts... its like the dirt-bin of the body...
Whereas the uterus is the opposite. It's the place in the body where has to be perfect sterility to provide a safe and protected place for a new life to start and grow. And the entrance to this place is the cervix. which you want to break...
So, however you will turn it, it's not safe...
2. And so much not safe that I personally would doubt the sanity of a woman who would allow you to do this to her.
You remember the cannibal who was caught here in Germany some years ago?
Yes, his victim gave his cock to him voluntarily... But was this SSC? No! That man can't have been sane... That's my opinion...
So, it's not SSC and that's why people don't agree with you...
"I want this, and if their is a way to got it I will have it."
This is a sentence which could have come directly from that German cannibal...
There is one thing more I want to say.
I had the strange feeling that in the beginning you yourself were not that decided to get this experience... just intrigued and excited by the vid...
But the more negative feedback you got, the more decided you appear to me...
Feels a bit like a child which gets the more rebellious the more you deny him a wish...
And finally I get a bit sarcastic: I read a story long ago on Lit about a rich, sick, contorted old man, who was only able to have an O inside the living beating heart of a young girl. He found a corrupt surgeon and a girl who needed a whole lot of money for a severely ill relative and so agreed on having that done to her.
The surgeon "prepared" the girl with anaestetics and then an open wound underneath her sternum. I don't remember who the author went on because I got so sick...
I think the surgeon tried to "repair" the damage after the man pumped his load directly into the blood of the girl.
He was fantasizing and marvelling in the knowledge that his seed (and through that also he himself) was literally in her heart, blood and finally also in her brain...
Unfortunately I didn't manage to find you the story as the search-function seems to be unavailable ATM.
Cmon, go for it! Isn't that much cooler than your seed up at the place where it belongs??
EmpressFi
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Here are just the symptoms of prolapsed uterus.. but what the hell.. it's not like YOU'LL ever have to suffer with them, you can just toss your deluded..er.. I mean..devoted girl off to another one who you can fuck over I mean train...
Prolapsed Uterus Symptoms
* A feeling of fullness or pressure in your pelvis (you may describe it as a feeling of sitting on a small ball)
* Low back pain
* Feeling that something is coming out of your vagina
* Painful sexual intercourse
* Difficulty with urination or moving your bowels
* Difficulty walking
Notify your health care provider if you experience any of the following symptoms:
* You feel the cervix near the opening of the vaginal canal. Or you suffer persistent discomfort from urinary dribbling or the urge to have a bowel movement (rectal urgency).
* You may not feel the cervix but just pressure in your vaginal canal and the feeling of something coming out of your vagina.
* You have continuing low back pain with difficulty in walking, urination, and defecation.
Seek medical care immediately if you experience the following:
* Obstruction or difficulty in urination and/or defecation
* Complete uterine prolapse (your uterus comes out of your vagina)
Your health care provider can diagnose uterine prolapse with a medical history and physical examination of the pelvis.
* The doctor may need to examine you in standing position as well as while you are lying down and ask you to cough or strain to increase the pressure in your abdomen.
* Specific conditions, such as ureteral obstruction due to complete prolapse, may need an intravenous pyelogram (IVP) or renal sonography. Dye is injected into your vein, and a series of x-rays are taken to view its progress through your bladder.
* Ultrasound may be used to rule out other pelvic problems. In this test, a wand is passed over your abdomen or inserted into your vagina to create images with sound waves.
Treatment depends on how weak the supporting structures around your uterus have become.
You can strengthen your pelvic muscles by performing Kegel exercises. You do these by tightening your pelvic muscles, as if trying to stop the flow of urine. This exercise strengthens the pelvic diaphragm and provides some support. Have your gynecologist instruct you on the proper ways to isolate and exercise the muscles.
Estrogen (a hormone) cream or suppository ovules or rings inserted into the vagina helps in restoring the strength and vitality of tissues in the vagina but only for selected postmenopausal women.
Depending on your age and whether you wish to become pregnant, surgery can repair the uterus or remove it. When indicated, and in severe cases, your uterus can be removed (the operation is called a hysterectomy). During the surgery, the surgeon can also correct the sagging of the vaginal walls, urethra, bladder, or rectum. The surgery may be performed abdominally, vaginally, or laparoscopically.
f you do not want surgery or are a poor candidate for surgery, you may decide to wear a supportive device, called a pessary, in your vaginal canal to support the falling uterus. You can use this temporarily or permanently. They come in various shapes and sizes and must be fitted to you. If your prolapse is severe, a pessary may not work. Also, pessaries can be irritating inside your vagina and may cause a foul-smelling discharge.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/prolapsed_uterus/article_em.htm
Prolapsed Uterus Symptoms
* A feeling of fullness or pressure in your pelvis (you may describe it as a feeling of sitting on a small ball)
* Low back pain
* Feeling that something is coming out of your vagina
* Painful sexual intercourse
* Difficulty with urination or moving your bowels
* Difficulty walking
Notify your health care provider if you experience any of the following symptoms:
* You feel the cervix near the opening of the vaginal canal. Or you suffer persistent discomfort from urinary dribbling or the urge to have a bowel movement (rectal urgency).
* You may not feel the cervix but just pressure in your vaginal canal and the feeling of something coming out of your vagina.
* You have continuing low back pain with difficulty in walking, urination, and defecation.
Seek medical care immediately if you experience the following:
* Obstruction or difficulty in urination and/or defecation
* Complete uterine prolapse (your uterus comes out of your vagina)
Your health care provider can diagnose uterine prolapse with a medical history and physical examination of the pelvis.
* The doctor may need to examine you in standing position as well as while you are lying down and ask you to cough or strain to increase the pressure in your abdomen.
* Specific conditions, such as ureteral obstruction due to complete prolapse, may need an intravenous pyelogram (IVP) or renal sonography. Dye is injected into your vein, and a series of x-rays are taken to view its progress through your bladder.
* Ultrasound may be used to rule out other pelvic problems. In this test, a wand is passed over your abdomen or inserted into your vagina to create images with sound waves.
Treatment depends on how weak the supporting structures around your uterus have become.
You can strengthen your pelvic muscles by performing Kegel exercises. You do these by tightening your pelvic muscles, as if trying to stop the flow of urine. This exercise strengthens the pelvic diaphragm and provides some support. Have your gynecologist instruct you on the proper ways to isolate and exercise the muscles.
Estrogen (a hormone) cream or suppository ovules or rings inserted into the vagina helps in restoring the strength and vitality of tissues in the vagina but only for selected postmenopausal women.
Depending on your age and whether you wish to become pregnant, surgery can repair the uterus or remove it. When indicated, and in severe cases, your uterus can be removed (the operation is called a hysterectomy). During the surgery, the surgeon can also correct the sagging of the vaginal walls, urethra, bladder, or rectum. The surgery may be performed abdominally, vaginally, or laparoscopically.
f you do not want surgery or are a poor candidate for surgery, you may decide to wear a supportive device, called a pessary, in your vaginal canal to support the falling uterus. You can use this temporarily or permanently. They come in various shapes and sizes and must be fitted to you. If your prolapse is severe, a pessary may not work. Also, pessaries can be irritating inside your vagina and may cause a foul-smelling discharge.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/prolapsed_uterus/article_em.htm
Netzach
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Dude, you should see what pervy men do to their OWN bodies. *shudder*
I think there's some competitive thing that says "let's see if I can just get it a little...further"
Netzach
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Fast remedial anatomy lesson:
Shit comes out of your anus, unless you've had some serious surgery. IE infectious matter. The necessity for sterile (not just CLEAN but STERILE) implements is thus mitigated unless you PLAN on perforating the person, which is a pretty idiotic idea.
This post is the equivalent of "I'd like to ass fist my partner. With a brillo glove."
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coyotepondering
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And yet someone right now is going "Damn. That's hot. Brillo, fuck yeah."
I guess I just wonder in regards to the original poster if he heard that someone wanted to penetrate and fuck a man's urethra (how is another issue) he'd just shrug and say 'whatever their kink is.' Perhaps he would. I certainly don't know him to say otherwise.
For me, I think that both ideas stretch credibility. I'm all for torturing slaves but if you break your toys you can't play with them again.
VelvetDarkness
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And therein should lie his dilemma.
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One word:
RED!!!!
or
Three words:
New Hard Limit!!!!
Broken toys=bad
<---toy in good condition, original packaging slightly dented due to child play
RED!!!!
or
Three words:
New Hard Limit!!!!
Broken toys=bad
<---toy in good condition, original packaging slightly dented due to child play
Netzach
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Urethra also does not equal cervix.
Urerthral play done CORRECTLY on men OR women, isn't the same thing.
Not same. I know it really bums men out not to be able to say "oh, well your cervix and uterus is just like my...." but there it is.
YourCaptor
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The thing that I don’t understand is how everyone can so blatantly assume that. This is something their is not much information on, all that is present here so far is just initial impression sort of stuff. Speculation and doctors who don’t want to spend the 8 hours necessary to dilate a cervix without injury are not sufficient reasons in my opinion.
Right now I am looking into early medicine, they used to put instruments in through the cervix that where about 3-4 cm in diameter. That was with primitive sterilization techniques, yet operations of the uterus through the cervix where claimed to be successful.
It’s not easy finding details about hysteroscopies done over 100 years ago, and of course it is not information that can be acted on. Its just as vague as everything else. However it does open the door to more questioning.
Modern surgery also requires a greater dilation of the cervix, how much that is I don’t know yet.
Maybe its just my seemingly unique kink driving me, but I am not gonna discard this until I have reliable data. I am not going to do anything rash, that would be stupid.
Netzach
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They also did trepanning over 100 years ago and people survived it some of the time - should you get out the cordless drill?
It's not rejection of your kink. Why is kink so sacred that it's horrible to say "this is best left a fantasy, it's a bad idea?"
Fuck, I thought M's hernia operation pics were kind of erotic, but the clear line that says "this is better off a fantasy" for me says that at home surgery would be a fucking bad idea. It's exciting to me to surgically alter a male - that's great. Any actual alteration is better done by a surgeon, it's called knowing the limits of your own expertise or lack thereof.
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First thing to understand is if you post anything publicly anywhere for public opinion, that is what you are going to get. I am sorry if you were under the misconception that being kink oriented meant we had to agree with anything and everything brought here for discussion by you or anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm afraid if you present as being totally devoid of any concern for the health and well being of the person on the receiving end of your idea of fun, but totally absorbed with your need to do whatever it is regardless of what the permanent and damaging (and possible life changing) outcome for your victim might be, then yes, you are going to get a lot of very honest opinions which are not likely to be what you were hoping for. That does not mean people are running scared as you put it, just that some do not share your view that what becomes of the pyl is of no consequence to you as long as you get your fix.
I imagine it is what you have gathered is acceptable for a PYL, and in part you are correct, just I think you have misunderstood a lot of the underlying factors which change the whole concept for most from being one of pure self indulgent abuse where the pyl basically becomes your lab rat to one of honest and consensual power exchange which both go into informed and completely aware. The thing which strikes me about a lot of ambitious and often newer Dominants is this thought that a pyl has to prove their devotion and submission by whatever means the mind boggled PYL decides is proof positive and usually without any thought as to why they should feel that when there has been no demonstration of reason to from the PYL...IOW it is usually earned, not demanded cold. Why should they feel that level of devotion to someone so quickly and without reason other than 'Iam Dom, you are sub' speeches and assumptions? What are you going to do before the event to deserve and win such devotion? pyl's are not automatons nor are they brain dead and stupid. Granted you might find someone willing to submit to your idea of fun, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend we wish to be on either side of the whip you choose to wield, nor that we feel you view the pyl as a human being. Part of the maturity of entering this lifestyle is being able to accept that others are not going to always pat you on the back for your ideas and desires, and being able to accept that as their right as an individual...we are not sheep, nor does one size fit all. Another part of the maturity is being able to take in what others say, weigh it up in terms of value, then if necessary reassess your original intentions and/or thoughts accordingly. There is no shame in learning something new, nor seeing something from a POV you might not have fully considered before, there may at times be in carrying on blindly and relentlessly to prove you can.
Catalina
Well, I wasn’t too bothered by anyone’s comment until yours. I value your input, when you insult me I take it personal.
I don’t see this act as proof of submission, I don’t ever seek proof of submission. If I felt that I had to test a girl to see if she truly was submissive then the relationship would already be over. Lack of trust, lack of communication, or just not a good match, whatever the reason for the failure may be.
This act, to me is like an embodiment of the D/s dynamic, a sort of union. Kind of like marriage except 10 times more powerful. To you it may look like nothing, but from where I am standing it’s everything.
I don’t know how to explain it better then that. It’s a kink, there is no method to the madness. I suppose you could trace it back to some chemical gone wrong in the brain, its still me though, their is no denying it.
YourCaptor
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Well that was my thought too, until I came across that video.
Suddenly my kink is on TV, you know, I want part of it.
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I never thought to look in the GB, I'll be looking though this.
Spotting? You mean like bruising?
and thanks for the luck, I need it.
YourCaptor
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But grownups get all the good toys, such as skydiving.
EmpressFi
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oo and dont forget bloodletting to let the evil spirits out or cutting the hair to allow the fever to escape.
Modern medicine inserts laminaria or seaweed sticks into the cervix and prostaglandin ointment (both require a prescription AND training) to dilate the cervix. Also needing a prescription and the training to start an IV because it's given over the time needed to dilate the cervix is the drug, pitocin. Both treatments require a long period of time for the dilation to occur and cause extreme pain to the patient as more and more seaweed are inserted into the os, or the opening. The uterus, since it's just one big muscle, reacts to the prostaglandin (a hormone) and the something in the laminaria and begins to soften, then the pitocin hits the bloodstream and the woman starts to have cramps that make the worst period feel like a walk in the park. The stronger the contractions..yes.. I said..contractions.. the faster she dilates. Stop the medication and the dilation stops. It's used before some procedures and is also used to induce labor.
And even if modern medicine requires a wider dilation, which I've never had it go more than 3-4 cm for surgery, usually it's nothing wider than a Yankaur tube, but that's still using the sterile field the the surgical arena, with a trained PHYSICIAN holding the instruments and drugs on board to anesthetize the patient. Also, unless they are removing part of the cervix to diagnose cervical cancer, the cervix itself is not damaged and certainly is not penetrated by anything with increased friction like a finger and/or a penis.
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No, spotting is when the extremely thin, highly vascularized tissue break and tear and the woman bleeds.. so, it looks like she's having a light period for about 2-3 days depending upon the amount of damage you inflict. Sometimes while spotting, there's light cramping, but not always
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Netzach
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That happened after my colposcopy. Which is them just taking off a small bit of it for biopsy. Needless to say this wasn't a joy.
This scene will take a few special ingredients:
You are going to need someone who's really badly prolapsed to begin with
who tolerates pain like the biggest painslut mofo who ever lived
or who's nerve damaged till she doesn't feel it
AND who doesn't mind maybe risking staph infection to the uterus and that kind of a fun demise.
This scene will take a few special ingredients:
You are going to need someone who's really badly prolapsed to begin with
who tolerates pain like the biggest painslut mofo who ever lived
or who's nerve damaged till she doesn't feel it
AND who doesn't mind maybe risking staph infection to the uterus and that kind of a fun demise.
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Yes.. when I had to have surgery to find out why I couldnt have babies.. well first I had a hystosalpingogram.. lemme tell ya.. it's not fun to have a hemostat clamped onto your cervix while something about as thin as a coffee straw/stirrer is inserted and then radiopaque dye is flushed into your uterus so they can see if your tubes are blocked. Just that little tube going in triggered cramps that were terrible...
Then a month later, they were having the surgery to check the tubes and decided to do a D&C because of odd lining in the uterus. Again, I woke up to terrible pressure and pain and cramping..and that tube is about the width of a drinking straw.
That's not my 8 years of medical experience talking, that's first hand knowledge.
