Calling All Black Authors!

[MeWales]

Be an adult, and your blood pressure will thank you for it.

I am an adult - and there's nothing wrong with my blood pressure thank you.
I find your attitude both nonsensical and condescending. - therefore you're ignored.

 

[Voboy]

And why not? All religions should be denigrated as worthless mind control for masses who are unable to think for themselves. They are the greatest evil that mankind ever perpetrated on itself, and responsible for a huge amount of the misery that is going on in the world today.

Don’t ask me.

Im not the site owner. I just write here.

 

[KeithD]

I am an adult - and there's nothing wrong with my blood pressure thank you.
I find your attitude both nonsensical and condescending. - therefore you're ignored.

I'm crushed. Absolutely crushed, do you hear? *sob*

 

[MillieDynamite]

Where are all the black women with white men stories if this is the case?
There are some, but again - not many

I have written stories with white men and black women. I have one almost ready for publication, not sure if it is here or on Amazon that will end up, but it is an interracial love story between a white man and a black woman set in the 1970s.

 

[MillieDynamite]

And why not? All religions should be denigrated as worthless mind control for masses who are unable to think for themselves. They are the greatest evil that mankind ever perpetrated on itself, and responsible for a huge amount of the misery that is going on in the world today.

Petty much the no religion clause is for people like you, spraying venomous hatred of any that claims to be religious. People aren't the problem religion is. Get rid of religion, and like magic, everyone will get along. NO, it wouldn't happen that way. If you want to bash religion, find a site that lets you do so.

 

[Whanmore]

There are few average sized dicks of any colour in porn - porn is about fantasy - and at the moment - huge cocks seem to be the fashion.

Exactly! You answered your own question.
You asked. Where are all the black women with white men stories if this is the case?


Its a fantasy and the Fantasy of a white woman fucking a black guy is a much more popular FANTASY. Your hang up is the 'why.' That's truly in the eye of the beholder. As a black guy whose fucked a lot of white women I can tell you the reason for the fantasy is vared and fluid. So don't pigeonhole all interracial fantasy's playing on the forbidden aspect as racist. I once dated a White girl who had an uncle in the Klan near Vincennes Indiana (if you know that area you'll understand). We both got a kick thinking about what he mightve thought about while we were fucking.

Couple that with the fact that there are few black female authors on here I think you have your answer. WHICH!!!

was supposed to the fucking point of this thread in the first place...just a thread where black authors could meet and talk about how we are portrayed and how we write ourselves. Dont know where all these white people came from or why they are here. Reminds me of a neighborhood I once knew.

 

[CyranoJ]

Dont know where all these white people came from or why they are here. Reminds me of a neighborhood I once knew.

The opportunity to accuse Black people of "racism" on the thinnest of pretexts is just catnip to a certain sort of person who's almost always better off self-examining than talking.

 

[Whanmore]

Somehow, I doubt it's mainly white women or black men that are writing the black male - white female stories.

Yea. Its evident. There's a few story where black people act like humans but a lot of questionable characteristics get used as well. Thats why I started this. I realize most of this sites patrons are European. I don't know how the BBC fantasy is portrayed in the UK. Similar I'd assume

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Thats why I started this. I realize most of this sites patrons are European. I don't know how the BBC fantasy is portrayed in the UK. Similar I'd assume.

Seeing as you asked... Most of Lit's users are American - probably 70%? I think someone produced some stats once. The number of readers who complain about my British English seems consistent with that.

The BBC fantasy exists in the UK, but it's a jokey thing about allegedly big cock plus a bit of light/dark aesthetics. The kind of story that appears in the Lit IR section, getting off on a 'taboo' of interracial sex, just isn't much of a thing.

Our history of race is incredibly different: slavery hasn't been legal on British soil since the 1100s; any slave brought here since was automatically freed (some interesting court cases when slaves found this out in the 17/1800s). More importantly, outside London and a few other port cities, non-white people didn't exist. We had to discriminate against the Irish and Jews, and Catholics (double whammy there for the Irish). Until the Windrush Generation when Empire citizens were invited from the Caribbean and south Asia to help rebuild after WWII, the only experience people had of black people was those nice GIs, even if they were American and 'overpaid, oversexed and over here' - there was resentment from some local young men when local girls' eyes turned.

The concept of segregation didn't compute - when US army officials demanded it, most pubs said OK then, white Americans not allowed. (look up Battle of Bamber Bridge). So when the Windrush Gen arrived, half or more of the black arrivals ended up getting together with white Brits (and the mixed-race war babies). Repeat for another couple generations with more immigrants...

You now have maybe 3% of the population ticking a Black box on the census but while most black people live in certain areas, there's no majority-black areas bigger than one apartment block. The whole 'crime only happens on the bad side of town, you know, where black people live' which Americans post online a lot isn't a thing here - yes more black people may live more in poorer areas and yes racism exists ('No dogs, no blacks, no Irish' signs still existed when I was young) but rich and poor as well as black and white are very geographically mixed in cities (Asians, ie people mainly of Pakistani/Bangladeshi descent are different - more insular communities for religions reasons, and fantasies about them are more about corrupting the good girl/boy rather than physical attributes). I suspect white people in cities with significant black populations find them boringly normal, and other white people don't really have a trigger to fetishise black people much.

I predicted that interracial as in black/white wouldn't make it into the top 20 topics on UK porn sites. My detailed analysis of one Brit porn site showed 'black' 'bbc' etc didn't feature in the top 50 tags. And 'asian' ranked with 'blonde' and 'big tits' well behind 'brown hair', FWIW.

I've got a couple sexologist friends so could probably dredge up stats on interracial and other fantasies in different countries if anyone's interested.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Seeing as you asked... Most of Lit's users are American - probably 70%? I think someone produced some stats once. The number of readers who complain about my British English seems consistent with that.

The BBC fantasy exists in the UK, but it's a jokey thing about allegedly big cock plus a bit of light/dark aesthetics. The kind of story that appears in the Lit IR section, getting off on a 'taboo' of interracial sex, just isn't much of a thing.

Our history of race is incredibly different: slavery hasn't been legal on British soil since the 1100s; any slave brought here since was automatically freed (some interesting court cases when slaves found this out in the 17/1800s). More importantly, outside London and a few other port cities, non-white people didn't exist. We had to discriminate against the Irish and Jews, and Catholics (double whammy there for the Irish). Until the Windrush Generation when Empire citizens were invited from the Caribbean and south Asia to help rebuild after WWII, the only experience people had of black people was those nice GIs, even if they were American and 'overpaid, oversexed and over here' - there was resentment from some local young men when local girls' eyes turned.

The concept of segregation didn't compute - when US army officials demanded it, most pubs said OK then, white Americans not allowed. (look up Battle of Bamber Bridge). So when the Windrush Gen arrived, half or more of the black arrivals ended up getting together with white Brits (and the mixed-race war babies). Repeat for another couple generations with more immigrants...

You now have maybe 3% of the population ticking a Black box on the census but while most black people live in certain areas, there's no majority-black areas bigger than one apartment block. The whole 'crime only happens on the bad side of town, you know, where black people live' which Americans post online a lot isn't a thing here - yes more black people may live more in poorer areas and yes racism exists ('No dogs, no blacks, no Irish' signs still existed when I was young) but rich and poor as well as black and white are very geographically mixed in cities (Asians, ie people mainly of Pakistani/Bangladeshi descent are different - more insular communities for religions reasons, and fantasies about them are more about corrupting the good girl/boy rather than physical attributes). I suspect white people in cities with significant black populations find them boringly normal, and other white people don't really have a trigger to fetishise black people much.

I predicted that interracial as in black/white wouldn't make it into the top 20 topics on UK porn sites. My detailed analysis of one Brit porn site showed 'black' 'bbc' etc didn't feature in the top 50 tags. And 'asian' ranked with 'blonde' and 'big tits' well behind 'brown hair', FWIW.

I've got a couple sexologist friends so could probably dredge up stats on interracial and other fantasies in different countries if anyone's interested.

The book, Live and Let Die, by Ian Flemming, had such racist overtures that Fleming himself authorized edits to the U.S. edition of the book. The changes to Live and Let Die were performed not too many years after the US publication. Before he died in 1964, Flemming authorized edits to other stories to remove the racist attitudes portrayed. I don't know if I agree with the removal or not. It was a reflection of the times they were published.

 

[Whanmore]

Seeing as you asked... Most of Lit's users are American - probably 70%? I think someone produced some stats once. The number of readers who complain about my British English seems consistent with that.

I found all this extremely interesting. I like a few IR stories on here that I'm pretty sure are written by Americans. Don't think I've seen IR specific to the UK yet.

I'm sure I've written some cringy moments myself dealing with black people so I don't mind it too much but it can go overboard.

I used to think If a handsome black guy went to UK would it be like a Magic Mike reaction to him..... or would it just be hmmm someone new. In the USA a hot handsome black guy moving to an all white town (apart from being scary and life-threatening) is the stuff of alot of men's and women's fantasies here. It could certainly be written like a "Moths to the flame" type of reaction. You're saying not so much in the UK huh?

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I used to think If a handsome black guy went to UK would it be like a Magic Mike reaction to him..... or would it just be hmmm someone new. In the USA a hot handsome black guy moving to an all white town (apart from being scary and life-threatening) is the stuff of alot of men's and women's fantasies here. It could certainly be written like a "Moths to the flame" type of reaction. You're saying not so much in the UK huh?

I used to think If a handsome black guy went to UK would it be like a Magic Mike reaction to him..... or would it just be hmmm someone new. In the USA a hot handsome black guy moving to an all white town (apart from being scary and life-threatening) is the stuff of alot of men's and women's fantasies here. It could certainly be written like a "Moths to the flame" type of reaction. You're saying not so much in the UK huh?

Depends whether he was well fit like Magic Mike's mates or not! But yeah, in areas where there's ethnic diversity he wouldn't stand out except for being a Yank (note: that means any American here!); where there isn't, he'd be like any other outsider.

From 10 miles away vs across the Atlantic wouldn't make much difference. Would probably have some remarks using dated language, but that would likely be an old geezer propping up the bar in the village pub calling out a reference to colour followed by "could be worse, you could be from (insert adjacent town or county)! What are you having?"

Scary and life threatening? Nah, we've got Glaswegians and the Northern Irish for that. And Muslims, travellers and Albanians, who are the current hate figures of choice. Just being black doesn't register. Seriously, on my street of 100 houses and flats it's about 1/3 kinda white people, 1/3 kinda black people, 1/3 kinda Asian people, with probably half the blackish and whitish people being mixed race. My kids' class photos looked like those 80s Benetton adverts.

I've met one black guy who was a stripper. It was mostly because he was a muscular fit fireman (firemen work 6 weeks on shifts, 2 weeks off, so pick up all sorts of gig work during that time...), but who could say if being black made him particularly popular? He was gorgeous and charming anyway, so hard to tell!

 

[nice90sguy]

Don't think I've seen IR specific to the UK yet.

Because IR isn't all that taboo in the UK these days. It's about as taboo as "inter-gender".

 

[MelissaBaby]

Depends whether he was well fit like Magic Mike's mates or not! But yeah, in areas where there's ethnic diversity he wouldn't stand out except for being a Yank (note: that means any American here!); where there isn't, he'd be like any other outsider.

From 10 miles away vs across the Atlantic wouldn't make much difference. Would probably have some remarks using dated language, but that would likely be an old geezer propping up the bar in the village pub calling out a reference to colour followed by "could be worse, you could be from (insert adjacent town or county)! What are you having?"

Scary and life threatening? Nah, we've got Glaswegians and the Northern Irish for that. And Muslims, travellers and Albanians, who are the current hate figures of choice. Just being black doesn't register. Seriously, on my street of 100 houses and flats it's about 1/3 kinda white people, 1/3 kinda black people, 1/3 kinda Asian people, with probably half the blackish and whitish people being mixed race. My kids' class photos looked like those 80s Benetton adverts.

I've met one black guy who was a stripper. It was mostly because he was a muscular fit fireman (firemen work 6 weeks on shifts, 2 weeks off, so pick up all sorts of gig work during that time...), but who could say if being black made him particularly popular? He was gorgeous and charming anyway, so hard to tell!

So I guess no one would have a problem with a member of the royal family marrying a mixed race woman, huh?

 

[Kumquatqueen]

So I guess no one would have a problem with a member of the royal family marrying a mixed race woman, huh?

So I guess no one would have a problem with a member of the royal family marrying a mixed race woman, huh?

There was a lot of snotty press because of the NQOCD factor (that's Not Quite Our Class, Dear - someone in showbiz probably rating even worse than being In Trade. And her being American. (tbf, the last royal to marry an American was Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson, and look how that turned out). And her being an actress but not a famous talented one anyone had heard of.



It was only the couple days before the wedding that stories appeared here accusing either royals or other media of racism, at which point I and most people who don't follow royal 'news' obsessively went 'what do you mean, she's black?' Honestly, I had no idea, and nor did anyone else I know. Yank-bashing is really popular in the news, especially any American who can be portrayed as stupid, entitled, overreacting, and/or overemotional. As soon as anyone added an accusation of racism then there was an explosion of accusations of racism, classism, over-wokeness, ridiculous Yank media, etc, etc.

The Queen became beloved by keeping her mouth shut. Camilla managed to turn the tide of press hatred from her being devil incarnate to liked and respected, again by keeping her mouth shut. Kate Middleton and her mum were the subject of horrible snide campaigns ('terribly nouveau and middle-class') until Kate at least was rehabilitated by, yes, keeping her mouth shut for a decade. Will Meghan manage that? Only time will tell.

Gutter press will make a huge deal out of anything to sell papers. Opting out of the media circus seemed like a good idea of M&H's, only they've done the opposite and Harry seems on the edge of a breakdown. Good luck to the pair of them in finding a purpose in life and not repeating his mother's last year's (there was definitely racism in the media reaction to Diana and Dodi al-Fayed, though given he was also an internationally renowned playboy and son of one of the most infamous corrupt businessmen in the country, hard to unpick where one trigger for complaint stopped and the next started).

Seriously, would Joe Average white American look at a pic of Meghan and go 'she ain't white'? Looking at the top 20 pics on Google Images, there's only one or two which even have me wondering if she was part Indian or Spanish or something, but then I'm not a typical American...

 

[MillieDynamite]

So I guess no one would have a problem with a member of the royal family marrying a mixed race woman, huh?

OUCH!

 

[nice90sguy]

The British aristocracy have a long tradition of strengthening the blood-line by outbreeding. The racial angle isn't the issue. It's basically that they see Meghan as a tacky, avaricious American.

 

[CyranoJ]

The British aristocracy have a long tradition of strengthening the blood-line by outbreeding. The racial angle isn't the issue.

Like, it super-duper-obviously was, though. Buckingham Palace clearly influences the tabloid press, which wrote openly racist tirades against her every other day for years. That didn't happen without approval from someone in the halls of power.

It's basically that they see Meghan as a tacky, avaricious American.

This may also be true. But the racial stuff has been front and center from day one. The royal family saw Princess Diana as an outsider, too, but nobody was writing stories about her "exotic DNA" or saying shit like "Harry's girl is straight outta Compton."

 

[Whanmore]

Seriously, would Joe Average white American look at a pic of Meghan and go 'she ain't white'?

Yeah. That's exactly what they would say. No cap

 

[Whanmore]

Im just a black woman tryna cum

How do you approach writing with your black characters. do u even think about it?

 

[MillieDynamite]

How do you approach writing with your black characters. do u even think about it?

Yes, I do think about them. But for me, it is a little different. Having been adopted into a white family at about 15 years of age, (I was a foster in their home before that), I have a split view on things. I have experienced prejudice and bigotry, but probably not to the same degree as those individual blacks raised in lower-income areas did. I'm sure it is similar to those raised in middle-income black homes, though. I take those things into consideration when I write about people of color. I don't necessarily concentrate on those elements. Because my father had many friends of different ethnic backgrounds, I do know what is to be black. My Pops schooled me in many important events in history that are race related.

As a non-black example, Asians in California could not testify against or for a white person in criminal or civil matters in the courts. This fact didn't change until the 1920s or 30s. I grew up listing to all sorts of music, Jazz, Blues, Classical, Rock N Roll, Acid Rock, Heavy Metal, and Rap, to name a few. All of this goes into my writing and so much more, even on sex stories.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I don't want to be part of the problem, so I'm just going to say this and then go back to lurking:

This thread was created to help black authors find one another in what's a pretty whitebread neighbourhood. After a couple of pages of discussion, that's now in danger of being swamped by non-black authors explaining how racism does and doesn't work.

How about we don't do that? Sometimes it's okay just to watch and listen, and if there's some particular point that we feel an irresistible need to respond to (and there's no black author here prepared to make that argument), maybe split that out to a separate thread in the appropriate forum (be that AH or Politics or elsewhere) rather than derailing this one.

<relurk>

 

[MillieDynamite]

It doesn't bother me when nonblacks give their opinions. But, you must understand, each black writer's background will have some common ground, some not-so-common experiences, and some that are theirs alone. I don't know how many mixed blacks are here, their experiences are probably closer to mine than others. There could also be those blacks here who were also raised by white folks. Just don't preface any statement with, "You people," and will be good, y'all hear? LOL

 

[MelissaBaby]

I don't want to be part of the problem, so I'm just going to say this and then go back to lurking:

This thread was created to help black authors find one another in what's a pretty whitebread neighbourhood. After a couple of pages of discussion, that's now in danger of being swamped by non-black authors explaining how racism does and doesn't work.

How about we don't do that? Sometimes it's okay just to watch and listen, and if there's some particular point that we feel an irresistible need to respond to (and there's no black author here prepared to make that argument), maybe split that out to a separate thread in the appropriate forum (be that AH or Politics or elsewhere) rather than derailing this one.

<relurk>

There is a discussion about how white authors approach writing characters of other ethnicities going on right now in the Interracial Sex thread.

 

[MillieDynamite]

There is a discussion about how white authors approach writing characters of other ethnicities going on right now in the Interracial Sex thread.

Is there a general consensus, or are they all over the place?