California Will Become An illiterate wasteland

[AlexBailey]

Because I'm not a racist, like you. I only want the most qualified of both sexes to reach our kids. But I think it's important to have a male perspective in the K-12 system, Our boys are being feminized. Nobody should be a teacher simply based on their race.

Again, how do you attract - not just mandate qualified teachers?

Nothing?

If you aren’t just a wind bag who likes to bash on liberals tell us -

Again, how do you attract - not just mandate qualified teachers?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Nothing?

If you aren’t just a wind bag who likes to bash on liberals tell us -

Again, how do you attract - not just mandate qualified teachers?

He can't answer this.

To clarify, he can't answer this as he usually would because he can't go to find cut & paste stuff that aligns with his biases. Even if he could, it wouldn't be an actual answer to what you're asking.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

High school graduation today is probably a 1970's 6th grade education.

Cite?

 

[AlexBailey]

He can't answer this.

To clarify, he can't answer this as he usually would because he can't go to find cut & paste stuff that aligns with his biases. Even if he could, it wouldn't be an actual answer to what you're asking.

Let’s ask @HisArpy he’s always good for a right wing perspective.

Harpy, how do we attract and not just mandate good teachers?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What you believe isn't what most people believe. This is borne out all over the world.

Where?? Where is this view borne out as most? Have you checked in China, or India, because they are the most populous countries and they all have "walkable cities".

Which is, once more, something you should think about first before opening your yap and spewing nonsense.

You really need to take your own advice, Carbon Water boy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Bruh. entry level math in high school was college level stuff in the 70s. IF you aren't in advanced classes you can give up on getting into college on merit and that was 20 years ago.

This guy expresses fraction in values like 2/10th.

Two tenths or 2/10ths was correct.

I don't think his math level of education is all that great.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I think the left has done more damage to the intelligence of the nation's children than any other force. The K-12 education system is driven by a vast majority of women over men. Everything taught in the K-12 system to male students is weighted with a female perspective:

So Alex blows your argument out of the fucking water, and you come back with this claptrap????

 

[HisArpy]

Let’s ask @HisArpy he’s always good for a right wing perspective.

Harpy, how do we attract and not just mandate good teachers?

1. Have neutral educational standards so that everyone is assessed on their achievements rather than artificial social engineering requirements.

2. Fire bad teachers and retain teachers whose students show academic excellence regardless of race, creed, origin, or school location.

3. Discharge with prejudice any administrative personnel which attempt to alter either the educational standards or teacher retention.

4. Set academic standards in stone by enshrining them into the State Constitution and removing the idea of tampering with or altering them from the purview of the legislature.

5. As a precursor to a pending rebuttal, pay is irrelevant. Tenure is irrelevant. Retain good teachers and get rid of the bad ones. Good teachers will earn their salaries whatever pay scale is used because if the only reason someone is a teacher is because of the pay, I posit that person isn't a teacher but is instead a financial leach and drain on resources.

 

[AlexBailey]

1. Have neutral educational standards so that everyone is assessed on their achievements rather than artificial social engineering requirements.

2. Fire bad teachers and retain teachers whose students show academic excellence regardless of race, creed, origin, or school location.

3. Discharge with prejudice any administrative personnel which attempt to alter either the educational standards or teacher retention.

4. Set academic standards in stone by enshrining them into the State Constitution and removing the idea of tampering with or altering them from the purview of the legislature.

5. As a precursor to a pending rebuttal, pay is irrelevant. Tenure is irrelevant. Retain good teachers and get rid of the bad ones. Good teachers will earn their salaries whatever pay scale is used because if the only reason someone is a teacher is because of the pay, I posit that person isn't a teacher but is instead a financial leach and drain on resources.

Hmmm,

Could you please highlight the parts where we attract qualified teachers?


Number 1 makes it so dedicated teachers who don’t have sterling credentials can get still get to the top of the hiring lists.

Number 2 almost goes there but it’s all stick, no carrot.

 

[AlexBailey]

1. Have neutral educational standards so that everyone is assessed on their achievements rather than artificial social engineering requirements.

2. Fire bad teachers and retain teachers whose students show academic excellence regardless of race, creed, origin, or school location.

3. Discharge with prejudice any administrative personnel which attempt to alter either the educational standards or teacher retention.

4. Set academic standards in stone by enshrining them into the State Constitution and removing the idea of tampering with or altering them from the purview of the legislature.

5. As a precursor to a pending rebuttal, pay is irrelevant. Tenure is irrelevant. Retain good teachers and get rid of the bad ones. Good teachers will earn their salaries whatever pay scale is used because if the only reason someone is a teacher is because of the pay, I posit that person isn't a teacher but is instead a financial leach and drain on resources.

Number four sounds like you’re saying that dedicated teachers should be willing to take a vow of poverty to serve or else be a drain on society.


Now maybe that’s a little hyperbolic, so let’s just say they would have to choose to live below the living standards of most people in their districts.

Who is attracted to that?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Number four sounds like you’re saying that real teachers should be willing to take a vow of poverty to serve or else be a drain on society.

Arpy has no clue, he's regurgitating wives tales about Teacher. Everything we learn in school follows a pattern. Before we can write, we learn to read. Before we can read, we learn the alphabet.

Arpy is saying a Teacher who has low scores because the students can't learn to read, should be fired. Yet it maybe those students didn't learn the letters. Never mind the teachers who have students that don't wish to learn. Or are to worried about when the next shooters, going to come around....

Hell I could write thesis on this but why. All Arpy wants is the easy solution, kids are not doing well in school fire the teachers.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

1. Have neutral educational standards so that everyone is assessed on their achievements rather than artificial social engineering requirements.

2. Fire bad teachers and retain teachers whose students show academic excellence regardless of race, creed, origin, or school location.

3. Discharge with prejudice any administrative personnel which attempt to alter either the educational standards or teacher retention.

4. Set academic standards in stone by enshrining them into the State Constitution and removing the idea of tampering with or altering them from the purview of the legislature.

5. As a precursor to a pending rebuttal, pay is irrelevant. Tenure is irrelevant. Retain good teachers and get rid of the bad ones. Good teachers will earn their salaries whatever pay scale is used because if the only reason someone is a teacher is because of the pay, I posit that person isn't a teacher but is instead a financial leach and drain on resources.

1. Fine. Lets empower the DoE and take the power away from the states like any rational country would.

2. There are some bad teachers but that is not the norm.

3. This is a meaningless assertion.

4. Fuck the states. Enshrine them under federal law so it actually matters and has a meaning. I should be confident that my child will get the same education in Alabama as they would in Massachussets.

5. This is a popular idea but there is no objective way to separate good teachers from bad in the way you want.

 

[YDB95]

Our boys are being feminized.

I sure as heck hope so.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Public schools can't do anything if kids don't want to learn. They can't be parents.

Not only can they to some extent they should. However that does not seem to be the primary culprit for a ton of reasons not the least of which is that it is past time we just changed our education system and its hard to do anything as large as what needs to be done in a country like ours.

 

[AlexBailey]

Arpy has no clue, he's regurgitating wives tales about Teacher. Everything we learn in school follows a pattern. Before we can write, we learn to read. Before we can read, we learn the alphabet.

Arpy is saying a Teacher who has low scores because the students can't learn to read, should be fired. Yet it maybe those students didn't learn the letters. Never mind the teachers who have students that don't wish to learn. Or are to worried about when the next shooters, going to come around....

Hell I could write thesis on this but why. All Arpy wants is the easy solution, kids are not doing well in school fire the teachers.....

I’ve got to give @HisArpy credit here. He gave a real conservative perspective on the issue. He didn’t waffle or bullshit like @Rightguide would.

The conservative perspective considers teachers to be universally replaceable, like there is an endless supply of talent that should be competing for a kush position where they only have to work nine months a year. They should act as correctional officers while inspiring students to strive for their highest potential while teaching only core curriculum without bringing anything personal into the classroom. They should not petition for more resources, they shouldn’t organize nor collectively bargain for higher wages or benefits.

I don’t see why they don’t understand how this doesn’t attract more quality teachers. Harpy acknowledges that ‘good’ teachers aren’t motivated only by money, but he doesn’t seem to make the connection that many of those individuals have ‘liberal’ values and interests. He’s an attorney. He may understand law, but not people - especially not compassionate people like those who are drawn to teaching for ‘the right reasons.’

If the criteria he lists is the litmus test for ‘attracting’ good teachers there will be many classrooms that will be filled with whoever will take the job rather than someone who is genuinely interested in the profession.

 

[HisArpy]

Number four sounds like you’re saying that dedicated teachers should be willing to take a vow of poverty to serve or else be a drain on society.


Now maybe that’s a little hyperbolic, so let’s just say they would have to choose to live below the living standards of most people in their districts.

Who is attracted to that?

Not at all.

I work because I want to work. The paycheck is nice and pays the bills but it's not the sole criteria because the work itself is meaningful in its own right.

For instance; do you play basketball (or do another sports activity) just to get paid? Since most of us don't get paid to play, does that mean we've taken a vow of poverty just so we can be healthy or enjoy our lives? Of course not, the game has value in other ways besides money.


So too does working.

As an added benefit, by getting rid of the dead wood in the education system that frees up more funds. Funds which can be used to improve conditions in the schoolhouse as well as better compensation for the good teachers who remain dedicated to their students.

 

[HisArpy]

I’ve got to give @HisArpy credit here. He gave a real conservative perspective on the issue. He didn’t waffle or bullshit like @Rightguide would.

The conservative perspective considers teachers to be universally replaceable, like there is an endless supply of talent that should be competing for a kush position where they only have to work nine months a year. They should act as correctional officers while inspiring students to strive for their highest potential while teaching only core curriculum without bringing anything personal into the classroom. They should not petition for more resources, they shouldn’t organize nor collectively bargain for higher wages or benefits.

I don’t see why they don’t understand how this doesn’t attract more quality teachers. Harpy acknowledges that ‘good’ teachers aren’t motivated only by money, but he doesn’t seem to make the connection that many of those individuals have ‘liberal’ values and interests. He’s an attorney. He may understand law, but not people - especially not compassionate people like those who are drawn to teaching for ‘the right reasons.’

If the criteria he lists is the litmus test for ‘attracting’ good teachers there will be many classrooms that will be filled with whoever will take the job rather than someone who is genuinely interested in the profession.

Teachers who are in the profession for the money won't stick around when the going gets tough financially. They're dead wood and need to be given a nice send off party as they travel into another industry to squat like a toad on a lilly pad for that employer.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Teachers who are in the profession for the money won't stick around when the going gets tough financially. They're dead wood and need to be given a nice send off party as they travel into another industry to squat like a toad on a lilly pad for that employer.

lol rich coming from the guy who will fire teachers on how they perform, without taking into account any other reasons behind the poor performance outside the control of the teacher.

 

[Rightguide]

1. Have neutral educational standards so that everyone is assessed on their achievements rather than artificial social engineering requirements.

2. Fire bad teachers and retain teachers whose students show academic excellence regardless of race, creed, origin, or school location.

3. Discharge with prejudice any administrative personnel which attempt to alter either the educational standards or teacher retention.

4. Set academic standards in stone by enshrining them into the State Constitution and removing the idea of tampering with or altering them from the purview of the legislature.

5. As a precursor to a pending rebuttal, pay is irrelevant. Tenure is irrelevant. Retain good teachers and get rid of the bad ones. Good teachers will earn their salaries whatever pay scale is used because if the only reason someone is a teacher is because of the pay, I posit that person isn't a teacher but is instead a financial leach and drain on resources.

We need to outlaw public employee unions as well, Their financial power to run, elect, and then influence politicians amenable to radical left education policies is the root of the ideological indoctrination centers our public school systems have become.

 

[HisArpy]

We need to outlaw public employee unions as well, Their financial power to run, elect, and then influence politicians amenable to radical left education policies is the root of the ideological indoctrination centers our public school systems have become.

Public employee unions already violate the conditions of employment in government. Federal government employees serve at the discretion of the President, State government employees likewise serve at the discretion of the State Governor.

In no case is their government position any sort of sinecure, they can be (and many should be) terminated at whim. Unions attempt to prevent this yet it is still a condition of employment in government.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not at all.

I work because I want to work. The paycheck is nice and pays the bills but it's not the sole criteria because the work itself is meaningful in its own right.

For instance; do you play basketball (or do another sports activity) just to get paid? Since most of us don't get paid to play, does that mean we've taken a vow of poverty just so we can be healthy or enjoy our lives? Of course not, the game has value in other ways besides money.


So too does working.

As an added benefit, by getting rid of the dead wood in the education system that frees up more funds. Funds which can be used to improve conditions in the schoolhouse as well as better compensation for the good teachers who remain dedicated to their students.

You write as if you don’t understand how jobs or hobbies work.

People may play basketball in a park for fun, but that has nothing to do with what you’re proposing. What you’re proposing is that if people don’t win their games at the park (that they play for free), theywould be fired from the park forever.

 

[AlexBailey]

Not at all.

I work because I want to work. The paycheck is nice and pays the bills but it's not the sole criteria because the work itself is meaningful in its own right.

For instance; do you play basketball (or do another sports activity) just to get paid? Since most of us don't get paid to play, does that mean we've taken a vow of poverty just so we can be healthy or enjoy our lives? Of course not, the game has value in other ways besides money.


So too does working.

As an added benefit, by getting rid of the dead wood in the education system that frees up more funds. Funds which can be used to improve conditions in the schoolhouse as well as better compensation for the good teachers who remain dedicated to their students.

You sound as if teachers should approach their profession as if it were a hobby or a second job, not as a primary source of income.

How can a dedicated teacher stick around when their job doesn’t pay the bills?

“I work because I want to work” is a very privileged statement, as if earning a living is a for those who have other viable options.

Teacher salaries don’t keep up with the cost of living in many places. What happens when dedication to the profession and ‘meaningful work’ don’t pay the bills? Socialist policies become attractive and necessary in order to retain quality teachers.


If you pay attention to news in the CA Bay Area you may have heard about the recently opened affordable housing project in Daily city.

https://www.housingfinance.com/developments/school-district-opens-housing-for-teachers-staff_o

705 Serramonte is home to a mix of JUHSD employees. Approximately 60% of the residents are certificated staff, such as teachers, counselors, and school psychologists, and about 40% of the residents are classified staff, such as bus and van drivers, custodians, food service workers, and office staff.

Conservative views like yours don’t solve problems like this.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Those aren't problems for Conservatives. They want to tear down US education

 

[AlexBailey]

We need to outlaw public employee unions as well, Their financial power to run, elect, and then influence politicians amenable to radical left education policies is the root of the ideological indoctrination centers our public school systems have become.

Is that your best suggestion on how to attract new teachers?

 

[YDB95]

Is that your best suggestion on how to attract new teachers?

Considering the source, yes, it probably is his best suggestion.