Burn the bitch stories

[inka2222]

The fact that all'y'all have no better argument to support your ridiculous preferences than personal attacks (making up faults in those who don't share your views), shows just how lacking your arguments for your faith are. From my observations and evidence from comments both here and on LE comments, the only people who hate BTB, are man haters (and yes some men are in that cohort too) who somehow think that a man's life, effort, emotions and pain are not worth as much as a woman's.

Now, as to why BTB crowd likes BTB stories, it was already explained to you, but let me re-iterate. It is because of real life differences in situations between sexes, which aren't merely asymmetrical, they are diametral opposite.

• In Real Life, when a man cheats on a woman, she has a perfectly realistic option and expectation to divorce him, take away his kids, be awarded child support, likely maintenance, keep their family house, and have him be be threatened to be put in jail for failure to pay. And that is even BEFORE the really despicable actions start, like false accusations of abuse which these days are in the "guilty until proven innocent" treatment by the system. In other words, BTB scenario for a cheated-on wife is what we technically call "normal life". The value of reading about that, is as high as the value of any documentary or realistic story... relatively little.
• In reverse, in Real Life when a woman cheats on a man, if he decides to divorce... Well, copy/paste the bad-for-man-outcome from above BTBastard scenario... except the man is the one getting burned EXACTLY as he would have if he was the cheater; and the cheating woman wins LITERALLY same way as if she was the cheating victim. He will likely lose the kids, have to pay child support, maintenance, give her family house he's paying for, and still risk fake "abuse" accusations. So, in Real Life, "burning" the cheating bitch is literally a vanishingly rare event, with the hurt, pain, damage all falling on the male VICTIM of cheating.

Hence, BTBitch stories' audience... all the men who either (a) experienced being in this traumatic situation already. Or, (b) had to stay with cheating skank to avoid losing kids/livelyhood to avoid being fucked over by "family" courts. Or, (c) are simply afraid of such a lose-lose scenario. Or (d), hell, given that women initiate majority of divorces, they should be afraid even of simply her wanting to divorce, even if she won't cheat. For all those people, BTB stories are escapist entertainment; they are wish fulfillment of what they would LIKE to see happen for the world to be just and fair, but know they never will (because "equality" is only a rallying cry when something in life is or seems in favor of men, never when it's already in favor of women).

Add to that, that people who would empathize with BTBastard story more (that is, women) are more likely than not a minority on sites like LE, which further decreases both demand, support, and need for such stories.

And just to be clear, if I see a good BTBastard story, I happily give it the same 5 stars I give to great BTBitch. I simply find them... less interesting, being "ok, sounds like regular life".

For a less contentious analogy, look at the amount of popular fiction stories where people become able to use magic. But (surprise!) there are almost no stories where people become able to be more disciplined, or productive, or tenacious. Why? Because in real life, we'll never get to be magic users. But who wants to read about "You're a super productive worker, Harry!"? Not me. Not anyone. I already can be a hard working, disciplined, productive person in real life, if I want to. I don't need a fictional work to read about it.

 

[lc69hunter]

It enrages some men when women have agency

 

[SimonDoom]

The fact that all'y'all have no better argument to support your ridiculous preferences than personal attacks (making up faults in those who don't share your views), shows just how lacking your arguments for your faith are. From my observations and evidence from comments both here and on LE comments, the only people who hate BTB, are man haters (and yes some men are in that cohort too) who somehow think that a man's life, effort, emotions and pain are not worth as much as a woman's.

Now, as to why BTB crowd likes BTB stories, it was already explained to you, but let me re-iterate. It is because of real life differences in situations between sexes, which aren't merely asymmetrical, they are diametral opposite.

• In Real Life, when a man cheats on a woman, she has a perfectly realistic option and expectation to divorce him, take away his kids, be awarded child support, likely maintenance, keep their family house, and have him be be threatened to be put in jail for failure to pay. And that is even BEFORE the really despicable actions start, like false accusations of abuse which these days are in the "guilty until proven innocent" treatment by the system. In other words, BTB scenario for a cheated-on wife is what we technically call "normal life". The value of reading about that, is as high as the value of any documentary or realistic story... relatively little.
• In reverse, in Real Life when a woman cheats on a man, if he decides to divorce... Well, copy/paste the bad-for-man-outcome from above BTBastard scenario... except the man is the one getting burned EXACTLY as he would have if he was the cheater; and the cheating woman wins LITERALLY same way as if she was the cheating victim. He will likely lose the kids, have to pay child support, maintenance, give her family house he's paying for, and still risk fake "abuse" accusations. So, in Real Life, "burning" the cheating bitch is literally a vanishingly rare event, with the hurt, pain, damage all falling on the male VICTIM of cheating.

Hence, BTBitch stories' audience... all the men who either (a) experienced being in this traumatic situation already. Or, (b) had to stay with cheating skank to avoid losing kids/livelyhood to avoid being fucked over by "family" courts. Or, (c) are simply afraid of such a lose-lose scenario. Or (d), hell, given that women initiate majority of divorces, they should be afraid even of simply her wanting to divorce, even if she won't cheat. For all those people, BTB stories are escapist entertainment; they are wish fulfillment of what they would LIKE to see happen for the world to be just and fair, but know they never will (because "equality" is only a rallying cry when something in life is or seems in favor of men, never when it's already in favor of women).

Add to that, that people who would empathize with BTBastard story more (that is, women) are more likely than not a minority on sites like LE, which further decreases both demand, support, and need for such stories.

And just to be clear, if I see a good BTBastard story, I happily give it the same 5 stars I give to great BTBitch. I simply find them... less interesting, being "ok, sounds like regular life".

For a less contentious analogy, look at the amount of popular fiction stories where people become able to use magic. But (surprise!) there are almost no stories where people become able to be more disciplined, or productive, or tenacious. Why? Because in real life, we'll never get to be magic users. But who wants to read about "You're a super productive worker, Harry!"? Not me. Not anyone. I already can be a hard working, disciplined, productive person in real life, if I want to. I don't need a fictional work to read about it.

I think this deserves pushback, because a) you cite no authority for any of this, and b) the evidence I've seen is that it's not true.

First of all, nearly all US states have "no fault" divorce laws. That means that in most cases it makes no difference who cheats against whom. That has no bearing on child support and alimony and custody. There may be exceptions, but they are exceptions.

It's pretty well established by evidence that generally speaking men fare better after divorce than women. So the idea that the "system" screws over men and favors women is a myth.

So, the problem with the BTB "wish fulfillment," as you call it, is that it's wish fulfillment based on fantasy. It seems to be a bunch of angry men seeking justice against a wrong that, generally speaking, doesn't exist.

To be clear, this is not a personal attack. I don't know you or your circumstances. My criticism is of a view of the world that from everything I've seen is based on a falsehood. And I say that as someone who has gone through divorce and knows how difficult it can be in every way.

 

[lovecraft68]

The fact that all'y'all have no better argument to support your ridiculous preferences than personal attacks (making up faults in those who don't share your views), shows just how lacking your arguments for your faith are. From my observations and evidence from comments both here and on LE comments, the only people who hate BTB, are man haters (and yes some men are in that cohort too) who somehow think that a man's life, effort, emotions and pain are not worth as much as a woman's.

Now, as to why BTB crowd likes BTB stories, it was already explained to you, but let me re-iterate. It is because of real life differences in situations between sexes, which aren't merely asymmetrical, they are diametral opposite.

• In Real Life, when a man cheats on a woman, she has a perfectly realistic option and expectation to divorce him, take away his kids, be awarded child support, likely maintenance, keep their family house, and have him be be threatened to be put in jail for failure to pay. And that is even BEFORE the really despicable actions start, like false accusations of abuse which these days are in the "guilty until proven innocent" treatment by the system. In other words, BTB scenario for a cheated-on wife is what we technically call "normal life". The value of reading about that, is as high as the value of any documentary or realistic story... relatively little.
• In reverse, in Real Life when a woman cheats on a man, if he decides to divorce... Well, copy/paste the bad-for-man-outcome from above BTBastard scenario... except the man is the one getting burned EXACTLY as he would have if he was the cheater; and the cheating woman wins LITERALLY same way as if she was the cheating victim. He will likely lose the kids, have to pay child support, maintenance, give her family house he's paying for, and still risk fake "abuse" accusations. So, in Real Life, "burning" the cheating bitch is literally a vanishingly rare event, with the hurt, pain, damage all falling on the male VICTIM of cheating.

Hence, BTBitch stories' audience... all the men who either (a) experienced being in this traumatic situation already. Or, (b) had to stay with cheating skank to avoid losing kids/livelyhood to avoid being fucked over by "family" courts. Or, (c) are simply afraid of such a lose-lose scenario. Or (d), hell, given that women initiate majority of divorces, they should be afraid even of simply her wanting to divorce, even if she won't cheat. For all those people, BTB stories are escapist entertainment; they are wish fulfillment of what they would LIKE to see happen for the world to be just and fair, but know they never will (because "equality" is only a rallying cry when something in life is or seems in favor of men, never when it's already in favor of women).

Add to that, that people who would empathize with BTBastard story more (that is, women) are more likely than not a minority on sites like LE, which further decreases both demand, support, and need for such stories.

And just to be clear, if I see a good BTBastard story, I happily give it the same 5 stars I give to great BTBitch. I simply find them... less interesting, being "ok, sounds like regular life".

For a less contentious analogy, look at the amount of popular fiction stories where people become able to use magic. But (surprise!) there are almost no stories where people become able to be more disciplined, or productive, or tenacious. Why? Because in real life, we'll never get to be magic users. But who wants to read about "You're a super productive worker, Harry!"? Not me. Not anyone. I already can be a hard working, disciplined, productive person in real life, if I want to. I don't need a fictional work to read about it.

It would have taken a lot less time to simply admit you hate women and long for it to be 1950 again.
Do yourself a favor and get back on your meds before you have a heart attack.

 

[MrPixel]

What's with the zombie thread shit? This rant was responding to posts from four years ago.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I think this deserves pushback, because a) you cite no authority for any of this, and b) the evidence I've seen is that it's not true.

Uh huh. Some relevant stats here, with cites: https://zawn.substack.com/p/family-courts-and-child-custody-are

Main points:
- Mothers spend, on average, more than twice as many hours on child care as fathers.
- Over 90% of custody cases are settled by mutual agreement between the ex-couple; only 4% are resolved in court. The reason women usually get custody is because men usually don't request it.
- Of those that do go to court, men win shared or sole custody more than 90% of the time.
- Women who report abuse by their partners are LESS likely to win custody.
- Less than half of custodial parents get the full child support they're owed, with the average father paying about $5k/year (but the average mother paying about $6k).

 

[lovecraft68]

Uh huh. Some relevant stats here, with cites: https://zawn.substack.com/p/family-courts-and-child-custody-are

Main points:
- Mothers spend, on average, more than twice as many hours on child care as fathers.
- Over 90% of custody cases are settled by mutual agreement between the ex-couple; only 4% are resolved in court. The reason women usually get custody is because men usually don't request it.
- Of those that do go to court, men win shared or sole custody more than 90% of the time.
- Women who report abuse by their partners are LESS likely to win custody.
- Less than half of custodial parents get the full child support they're owed, with the average father paying about $5k/year (but the average mother paying about $6k).


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My daughter has seen three child support checks in a year. In that same year he has asked to see his son several times, but never his daughter. He lives with his sister, has no car, no job, was arrested for selling Oxy Codone, and when he 'demanded' to see his daughter, and my daughter said no, he threatened her.

But I guess I'm making all that up, because obviously divorced dads are always just poor victims. Guess my daughter must just be pure evil as she works 60 hours a week to support her kids because he's not.

This thread and the child support thread make me sick. So tired of these man babies.

 

[alohadave]

My daughter has seen three child support checks in a year. In that same year he has asked to see his son several times, but never his daughter. He loves with his sister, has no car, no job, was arrested for selling Oxy Codone, and when he 'demanded' to see his daughter, and my daughter said no, he threatened her.

But I guess I'm making all that up, because obviously divorced dads are always just poor victims. Guess my daughter must just be pure evil as she works 60 hours a week to support her kids because he's not.

This thread and the child support thread make me sick. So tired of these man babies.

There are statistics of what happens in aggregate, and there is what you are experiencing.

While it's a misquote, this applies to you:

“the plural of anecdote is not data.” This is the idea that a single example should never be used to extrapolate a broader rule

 

[ruddygore]

I’ve read more than one or two cases like this in the news. Have to see if I can find any, but there have been enough that it’s not an urban myth unfortunately.

The only one I know of happened to a friend of mine after the fact. When he got divorced he had a good job, lets say $100K a year. Support and all that stuff was based on that. He was employed in somewhat of a niche, and when the dot com bubble burst he ended up losing his job, and there was no demand for what he had been doing. The best paying job he could get paid about half of what he had been making and the court refused to adjust his payments.

 

[ruddygore]

Anecdote, not dats, but I had a cousin got married to a lady that already had three kids. About eight years later they ended up getting divorced and the kids told the judge they wanted to stay with my cousin. Something about their mom being found two states away partying it up in a bar and the original father wanted nothing to do with them. Last I heard, all three kids turned out OK.

 

[lovecraft68]

There are statistics of what happens in aggregate, and there is what you are experiencing.

While it's a misquote, this applies to you:

How about I give you this stat, that far and away there are far more d-bag protecting d-bags and ragging on women in these threads. I am so sick and tired of the sorry ass whining that goes on from this type, and everyone running in with the well, you know...

I do know. Do you? No.

Fact is the average divorced couple works it out with support with visits etc...and they all do the best they can. But like most things on the blessed internet, its the asshole minority that gets the attention, and on this site the asshole majority attacks the mothers and women in general.

I noticed how when I decided to ruin the male pity party with the story of an asshole father rather than a bitch ex wife how fast you came in with...well let's look at.

Keep your stats and try opening your eyes.

 

[Rob_Royale]

I think this deserves pushback, because a) you cite no authority for any of this, and b) the evidence I've seen is that it's not true.

What's with the zombie thread shit? This rant was responding to posts from four years ago.

You'll also note that it's coming from a ten-year-old account with all of three posts. This is an alt-account that is used just to stir up shit. Someone who doesn't get enough attention at home. Better off just ignoring the post.

But back on the subject of the OP, a burn-the-bastard story does sound interesting. I might have to write one.

 

[lovecraft68]

You'll also note that it's coming from a ten-year-old account with all of three posts. This is an alt-account that is used just to stir up shit. Someone who doesn't get enough attention at home. Better off just ignoring the post.

But back on the subject of the OP, a burn-the-bastard story does sound interesting. I might have to write one.

The new feature that shows similar threads as you're searching or creating a thread has led to a lot of old threads getting attention.

I wrote a burn the bastard story. It actually has a red H but I wrote it back in 2012 and its slid up score wise since then. Category was different back then . If I published it now it wouldn't see a three.

I have a few pages written on a story that I might put here, or it could just be for fun, I revisit it from time to time. It flirts with erotic horror, but I'd put it in LW because its obvious nothing is too violent for that category. If I publish I'll take bets on it being reported because its men that take the pain. Title is "Burn this, bitch."

 

[SimonDoom]

But back on the subject of the OP, a burn-the-bastard story does sound interesting. I might have to write one.

Not me. I make it a point not to kink shame, but this is the one story subject at Literotica that baffles me, because it's not at all erotic. I come here looking for stories that are fun and titillating. There's nothing fun or titillating about revenge against an ex-spouse.

 

[Seadog777]

[No personal attacks or trolling - including creating accounts for this specific purpose. Heated discussions are fine, even welcome. However, personally attacking / kink-shaming a fellow author or reader is not allowed within the Author's Hangout. Threads which devolve into the exchanging of insults will be closed and repeat offenders will be given a timeout, per the AH rules.]

 

[lovecraft68]

[No personal attacks or trolling - including creating accounts for this specific purpose. Heated discussions are fine, even welcome. However, personally attacking / kink-shaming a fellow author or reader is not allowed within the Author's Hangout. Threads which devolve into the exchanging of insults will be closed and repeat offenders will be given a timeout, per the AH rules.]

 

[ElectricBlue]

What's with the zombie thread shit? This rant was responding to posts from four years ago.

It goes along with the resurrectionist principle, which I note we're seeing a bit of right now. Easter must be running late this year, or someone thinks we need another gospel.

 

[lc69hunter]

Some men hate women who have agency. I see the BTBers, for the most part, as very weak men. Probably 70% of the BTB stories shouldn't or needn't be BTB stories at all. You have a rigid, fragile ego'd husband who somehow thinks that cheating is the one unpardonable sin.

 

[Rob_Royale]

Not me. I make it a point not to kink shame, but this is the one story subject at Literotica that baffles me, because it's not at all erotic. I come here looking for stories that are fun and titillating. There's nothing fun or titillating about revenge against an ex-spouse.

I discussed it with my wife and we came to the same conclusion.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Uh huh. Some relevant stats here, with cites: https://zawn.substack.com/p/family-courts-and-child-custody-are

Main points:
- Mothers spend, on average, more than twice as many hours on child care as fathers.
- Over 90% of custody cases are settled by mutual agreement between the ex-couple; only 4% are resolved in court. The reason women usually get custody is because men usually don't request it.
- Of those that do go to court, men win shared or sole custody more than 90% of the time.
- Women who report abuse by their partners are LESS likely to win custody.
- Less than half of custodial parents get the full child support they're owed, with the average father paying about $5k/year (but the average mother paying about $6k).


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That site cherry picked its statistics and even its cites. That's going to happen, but it's really pushing a narrative that isn't entirely true. If you go through its sources, you'll see some things that are really important.

The first is that it leans heavily on a 30 year old study that revolved around a very small data set in a single state.

Another that it leans on a lot is about custody in Massachusetts, one of the few states that has joint custody; most states don't have "partial" or "joint" custody, only full custody and visitation. So, yes, men get custody in that state a lot because they do partial custody, a system strongly enforced by the courts. Visitation is a much more limited set of rights, to the point that it takes a judge threatening contempt to make anything happen.

The link about "women claiming abuse get custody less often" obfuscates the fact that courts used to take those claims pretty much at face value, until people found out that they could use them spuriously as either threat or retaliation. Once the courts saw an increase in them and investigated, they began punishing the parent that filed false claims.

There are more examples, but you get the idea. They chose to use examples that supported their claims without giving any context. I do think a lot of the mens rights stuff about divorce and custody are bullshit, but so is this.

 

[NoTalentHack]

It's pretty well established by evidence that generally speaking men fare better after divorce than women. So the idea that the "system" screws over men and favors women is a myth.

I know we're deep in thread necromancy territory here, but I wanted to address this because you said it before, too. Like four years before, but here we are.

I don't have stats as to whether men do better (usually) after divorce. Not claiming they don't, although a cite would be great. What I will say, though, is both people do worse after divorce than they did before they were divorced. I mean by that that they have to split households, bills, etc. While there is some anger at "she took half!" there's not as much as you'd expect in most stories. That's considered by most writers in LW, even some of the BTB ones, to be fair these days.

It's that they've lost... like, a lot. There's the financial issue of two households; yes it sucks for both of them, and both of them are going to have a lower standard of living, but it wasn't the husband's (in most LW stories, it's a husband being wronged, so I'll just go with that) choice. On top of that, if he built a business during the marriage, that might have to be sold off, he is (outside of the 10 or so states that have joint custody) less likely to get custody of his kids, and his life becomes less stable. In some stories, that's just because the character is "too good" (works too hard, etc.) or some nonsense, but even in the ones where he's somewhat at fault, it sucks. And for the guys that are reading them, often reeling from their own bad divorce?

Yes, a lot of what's written there is fantasy about things that didn't/don't happen. Hell, I've written some of that. But that's true of the whole site. It's just that these guys fantasies are ones where he got the better lawyer and the friendlier judge and custody of the kids and he was able to screw the affair partner out of his business and everybody claps. Yeah, it's not an erotic fantasy. But a lot of the stuff in Romance isn't particularly erotic, some of the stuff in SF/F isn't, etc. People come her for what they come here for, and this is one of the few sites that have stories like this, as far as I can tell.

 

[SimonDoom]

I know we're deep in thread necromancy territory here, but I wanted to address this because you said it before, too. Like four years before, but here we are.

I don't have stats as to whether men do better (usually) after divorce. Not claiming they don't, although a cite would be great. What I will say, though, is both people do worse after divorce than they did before they were divorced. I mean by that that they have to split households, bills, etc. While there is some anger at "she took half!" there's not as much as you'd expect in most stories. That's considered by most writers in LW, even some of the BTB ones, to be fair these days.

It's that they've lost... like, a lot. There's the financial issue of two households; yes it sucks for both of them, and both of them are going to have a lower standard of living, but it wasn't the husband's (in most LW stories, it's a husband being wronged, so I'll just go with that) choice. On top of that, if he built a business during the marriage, that might have to be sold off, he is (outside of the 10 or so states that have joint custody) less likely to get custody of his kids, and his life becomes less stable. In some stories, that's just because the character is "too good" (works too hard, etc.) or some nonsense, but even in the ones where he's somewhat at fault, it sucks. And for the guys that are reading them, often reeling from their own bad divorce?

Yes, a lot of what's written there is fantasy about things that didn't/don't happen. Hell, I've written some of that. But that's true of the whole site. It's just that these guys fantasies are ones where he got the better lawyer and the friendlier judge and custody of the kids and he was able to screw the affair partner out of his business and everybody claps. Yeah, it's not an erotic fantasy. But a lot of the stuff in Romance isn't particularly erotic, some of the stuff in SF/F isn't, etc. People come her for what they come here for, and this is one of the few sites that have stories like this, as far as I can tell.

This strikes me as a very sensible interpretation of the fantasy. I want to be clear that I try hard not to kink shame. If people like to read and write these stories, that's fine with me. I've read some of them, and some of them are good stories. I object in two cases: 1) when the people who like the BTB fantasy insist that their fantasy about the system screwing over men is the one revealed truth and anyone who thinks different is an idiot (we've seen that in this thread), and 2) when the BTB readers shit all over people whose fantasies are different in their comments and votes. It's by far the least tolerant crowd at Literotica. I object to that attitude, not so much the kink itself. I enjoy a good revenge story as much as the next person.

 

[NoTalentHack]

This strikes me as a very sensible interpretation of the fantasy. I want to be clear that I try hard not to kink shame. If people like to read and write these stories, that's fine with me. I've read some of them, and some of them are good stories. I object in two cases: 1) when the people who like the BTB fantasy insist that their fantasy about the system screwing over men is the one revealed truth and anyone who thinks different is an idiot (we've seen that in this thread), and 2) when the BTB readers shit all over people whose fantasies are different in their comments and votes. It's by far the least tolerant crowd at Literotica. I object to that attitude, not so much the kink itself. I enjoy a good revenge story as much as the next person.

I don't disagree, especially that last assessment. I've said it a number of times before, but LW (especiallyt he hardcore BTB crowd) really is the most sexually conservative place on Literotica, except perhaps Romance, and they will happily ignore categories and tags to go looking for things that will piss them off.

 

[Djmac1031]

Cheating and divorce are almost always a far more complicated scenario than "one is a good person, the other a lying cheating piece of shit."

Which is why stories that portray it that way usually don't interest me much, although there are exceptions of course.

 

[Bramblethorn]

That site cherry picked its statistics and even its cites. That's going to happen, but it's really pushing a narrative that isn't entirely true. If you go through its sources, you'll see some things that are really important.

The first is that it leans heavily on a 30 year old study that revolved around a very small data set in a single state.

Fair criticism, and before I posted it I did go looking to see if there was any more recent data that might point in different directions, but didn't come up with anything. I'll agree it's not the strongest data on could hope for, and I should've noted that when posting. If anybody has better quality data, post away, but absent more recent sources, it's still significantly more evidence than the thread-resurrector offered in support of their version of things.