Burn the bitch stories

[NoTalentHack]

Fair criticism, and before I posted it I did go looking to see if there was any more recent data that might point in different directions, but didn't come up with anything. I'll agree it's not the strongest data on could hope for, and I should've noted that when posting. If anybody has better quality data, post away, but absent more recent sources, it's still significantly more evidence than the thread-resurrector offered in support of their version of things.

The big problem is that this area has become SO politicized that it's hard to get any strong data. My gut, reading between the various studies, is that custody, alimony, etc, are better than they were for guys 20-30 years ago, but not "fair" yet. It's one of the few areas in American society where the scales are tilted towards women instead of men, though, and one of the biggest pain points at the same time, so of course it gets picked up as a cause celebre by the men's rights groups; easier to complain about that than address the systemic inequalities that lead to/have lead to the issue.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I know we're deep in thread necromancy territory here, but I wanted to address this because you said it before, too. Like four years before, but here we are.

I don't have stats as to whether men do better (usually) after divorce. Not claiming they don't, although a cite would be great. What I will say, though, is both people do worse after divorce than they did before they were divorced. I mean by that that they have to split households, bills, etc. While there is some anger at "she took half!" there's not as much as you'd expect in most stories. That's considered by most writers in LW, even some of the BTB ones, to be fair these days.

This is specific to over-50s: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8599059/

Interesting part of the findings is that although both experience similar drops in wealth following divorce (53% for women, 57% for men), women experience much more of a fall in living standards. The paper doesn't give much info about what's driving that differential. One possibility is custody - standard of living is based on household income divided by estimated needs, which would be larger for a custodial parent. I seem to recall reading some similar work suggesting that women were more likely to experience disruption to employment etc. following divorce, which could also contribute, but I don't have a cite for that and I won't swear to my memory.

 

[NoTalentHack]

This is specific to over-50s: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8599059/

Interesting part of the findings is that although both experience similar drops in wealth following divorce (53% for women, 57% for men), women experience much more of a fall in living standards. The paper doesn't give much info about what's driving that differential. One possibility is custody - standard of living is based on household income divided by estimated needs, which would be larger for a custodial parent. I seem to recall reading some similar work suggesting that women were more likely to experience disruption to employment etc. following divorce, which could also contribute, but I don't have a cite for that and I won't swear to my memory.

That would make some sense; also, that's the last cohort with any major chance of the husband being the sole earner in the family. Also the one most likely to have had the mom take significant time off to raise the children, so even if she is working, her earnings are likely decreased.

 

[lovecraft68]

First, this is not 'politicized' I know everyone wants everyone to be, but has nothing to do with politics. The reason people want it to be is like everything else they want to blame "the other side" and pretend they'd never do it. These animals are from all walks of life and the one thing bi-partisan in men of all walks of life is anger against women and thinking its fine to abuse them Its the tie that binds because its a certain breed of man and they are in every group

So let's keep the blue and red kool aid for the politics forum.

Now to my point which I've made before in similar threads (Maybe the fact this category keeps being discussed in a WTF is this shit manner should be a red flag to people who stick up for it)Someone here said this is a site for fantasies and BTB stories are fantasies.

Yeah...let's talk about that. This is a site for sexual fantasies, a site where people come to be aroused by whatever kink gets them aroused. For more serious stories, we have Non erotic, novels, you could put sci fi and non human in there I guess. Erotic horror maybe.

But for a straight up 'kink' category the stories are written for titillation.

So what is the kink in BTB? Its not sex. Its violence, its torture, its hatred. I'm sorry I didn't think hatred was a kink. They are getting off to horrific things done to women because they cheated(make believe women make believe cheating at that) and sometimes the boyfriend as well. These things are stroking to rape, women being beaten, sold into slavery, mutilated and abused in every way and the lovers tortured, killed etc...

That's a fantasy that should be in an erotic category? If you think violence is a turn on that says a lot about you as an author, a reader, and an alleged human being. If you're defending it, you're no better. If you try the free speech game...hate speech is not covered under free speech.

The site will argue this is kink shaming, to which I will ask again....How is hatred and flat out criminal violence a kink? And if you think that should be protected and not shamed? Wow.

 

[AngelRider]

First, this is not 'politicized' I know everyone wants everyone to be, but has nothing to do with politics. The reason people want it to be is like everything else they want to blame "the other side" and pretend they'd never do it. These animals are from all walks of life and the one thing bi-partisan in men of all walks of life is anger against women and thinking its fine to abuse them Its the tie that binds because its a certain breed of man and they are in every group

So let's keep the blue and red kool aid for the politics forum.

Now to my point which I've made before in similar threads (Maybe the fact this category keeps being discussed in a WTF is this shit manner should be a red flag to people who stick up for it)Someone here said this is a site for fantasies and BTB stories are fantasies.

Yeah...let's talk about that. This is a site for sexual fantasies, a site where people come to be aroused by whatever kink gets them aroused. For more serious stories, we have Non erotic, novels, you could put sci fi and non human in there I guess. Erotic horror maybe.

But for a straight up 'kink' category the stories are written for titillation.

So what is the kink in BTB? Its not sex. Its violence, its torture, its hatred. I'm sorry I didn't think hatred was a kink. They are getting off to horrific things done to women because they cheated(make believe women make believe cheating at that) and sometimes the boyfriend as well. These things are stroking to rape, women being beaten, sold into slavery, mutilated and abused in every way and the lovers tortured, killed etc...

That's a fantasy that should be in an erotic category? If you think violence is a turn on that says a lot about you as an author, a reader, and an alleged human being. If you're defending it, you're no better. If you try the free speech game...hate speech is not covered under free speech.

The site will argue this is kink shaming, to which I will ask again....How is hatred and flat out criminal violence a kink? And if you think that should be protected and not shamed? Wow.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[lc69hunter]

If only it were possible to send a fart through the screen...
The most loathed representative of LW compliments the most loathed representative of AH... a cosmic harmony.

Expected response from you

 

[AngelRider]

If only it were possible to send a fart through the screen...
The most loathed representative of LW compliments the most loathed representative of AH... cosmic harmony.

Loathed? I find that immensely amusing. My email inbox suggests otherwise but I don't need to use my online friends and correspondents to question that assertion.

First of all, my name isn't anonymous. I could end it there.

Second, there are registered users who one bomb, rant and shitpost comments on every single story that contains themes of cuckolding, swinging, unrepentant cheating, and/or reconciliation with cheating wives. We all know who they are and its obvious they are obsessed.

Let me guess, you don't like that I label certain btb themes as blatantly misogynistic? Have a problem with my assertion that extremely violent revenge stories are little more than erotica for incels? The rabid hatred couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that I'm a woman? Of course you said no but here is why I ask.

When a man is upset over comments made by another man, do they anonymously wish that male commenter be raped, gang raped, sold into sexual slavery bla bla bla.

And no, I am not suggesting you are sending those emails but I get them. Not all the time but enough. It's why I call out obvious misogyny


So what say you men? Is that how men threaten other men?

Thought so.

 

[NoTalentHack]

First, this is not 'politicized' I know everyone wants everyone to be, but has nothing to do with politics. The reason people want it to be is like everything else they want to blame "the other side" and pretend they'd never do it. These animals are from all walks of life and the one thing bi-partisan in men of all walks of life is anger against women and thinking its fine to abuse them Its the tie that binds because its a certain breed of man and they are in every group

So let's keep the blue and red kool aid for the politics forum.

I didn't mean "politicized" in a red/blue way, although I think there's a certain amount of that as a backdrop; MRAs tend to either start out as or become red, and social scientists do the same with blue. I meant more in terms of personal and college politics. There's a well-known issue with scientific research, particularly among social scientists, where the preference is to publish (and therefore research) studies that are more likely to gain notoriety/clout, and an easy way to do that is to go against the grain of "common sense" knowledge. Sometimes it's true that received wisdom is wrong, but sometimes it's more that the researcher in question found a slice of data that supports their preferred thesis. Worse, the results (more often in psychology than sociology) are often non-reproducible.

The Massachusetts research mentioned above is a great example of this; "men get custody most of the time if they seek it" is a helluva a soundbite, but it also comes with a huge set of caveats: it was only in one state, and that state has a custody system very different from the vast majority of states. Then, media, both mass media and social media, takes the story and runs with it minus the caveats. That's a win/win for the researcher.

Then individuals and groups inclined to support the idea that men aren't disadvantaged in any area of society (or only minorly so) take it and run with it as widespread gospel truth. The cherrypicked article above that used a bunch of studies without context as "evidence" is a great example. The MRAs do it on the other side, with their own set of cherrypicked, contextless research.

There's no incentive for any group to take a middle, dispassionate ground. No professor will get tenure for giving a nuanced take. No researcher will get acclaim for saying, "this is complicated, and different states handle it differently, to different effects." No one's going to get their name in print for doing that. And, worse, they're going to get attacked by both sides of the argument as (depending on the particular research) man-haters or misogynists.

It's not red or blue. It's not exactly partisanship. It's the current political climate, one where someone has to be WRONG across the board, and there's no space for honest collection and nuanced interpretation/presentation of data.

Now to my point which I've made before in similar threads (Maybe the fact this category keeps being discussed in a WTF is this shit manner should be a red flag to people who stick up for it)Someone here said this is a site for fantasies and BTB stories are fantasies.

It mostly gets discussed this way because a small group of people get really upset about it, cherrypick a few examples that should (probably) be removed from the site, and say "this is what it represents" without any actual evidence beyond those outliers.

Yeah...let's talk about that. This is a site for sexual fantasies, a site where people come to be aroused by whatever kink gets them aroused. For more serious stories, we have Non erotic, novels, you could put sci fi and non human in there I guess. Erotic horror maybe.

"This is a site for erotic stories, except for non-erotic, novels, SF/F, non-human, and erotic horror (even though the word 'erotic' is right there in the title). But not Loving Wives! For... reasons!" You've never managed to explain that one in a way that's rung true.

But for a straight up 'kink' category the stories are written for titillation.

So what is the kink in BTB? Its not sex. Its violence, its torture, its hatred. I'm sorry I didn't think hatred was a kink. They are getting off to horrific things done to women because they cheated(make believe women make believe cheating at that) and sometimes the boyfriend as well. These things are stroking to rape, women being beaten, sold into slavery, mutilated and abused in every way and the lovers tortured, killed etc...

You see it as a sexual kink. But no one is "stroking" to BTB stories. Okay, maybe one or two absolutely awful people, but again, you're using outliers and saying they represent the whole. If you asked pretty much anyone in the LW crowd whether they found the BTB (or RAAC or moving on or any of the other stories that are written for drama rather than titillation) erotic, I expect you'd get a resounding "no." I know you don't accept that LW can be like SF/F or novels, i.e, that it can be treated as sometimes non-erotic by readers, nut it is. Hell, I'd add Romance to that, too; there have been more than a few "sweet" romances in there with no explicit sex of note.

That's a fantasy that should be in an erotic category? If you think violence is a turn on that says a lot about you as an author, a reader, and an alleged human being. If you're defending it, you're no better. If you try the free speech game...hate speech is not covered under free speech.

The site will argue this is kink shaming, to which I will ask again....How is hatred and flat out criminal violence a kink? And if you think that should be protected and not shamed? Wow.

We're saying it's not a kink. Like, we're explicitly saying it's not a kink. It's not a sexual turn-on, at least not in the context of an LW story. Fantasy != kink in every case. Power fantasies are not inherently kink. Happy endings are not inherently kink. And LW stories (including but not limited to BTB ones) where the wife cheats and the husband comes out the end better and happier are fantasies, but not kink.

 

[SimonDoom]

That's a fantasy that should be in an erotic category? If you think violence is a turn on that says a lot about you as an author, a reader, and an alleged human being. If you're defending it, you're no better. If you try the free speech game...hate speech is not covered under free speech.

The site will argue this is kink shaming, to which I will ask again....How is hatred and flat out criminal violence a kink? And if you think that should be protected and not shamed? Wow.

You've said yourself that you like horror movies. How is that not appreciating "violence" as a turn-on? Please explain. Perhaps not in an explicitly sexual way, but it's still basically a turn-on, right? You get off on movies that feature people being murdered. How does the sexual element make it different? How are you different from anyone else? You're not, and this is the thing that you are blind to.

I don't get the BTB thing any more than you do. It seems weird to me, and it seems to me to be based on a wrong and somewhat disturbing view of the world, but unlike you I have no real problem with people having weird and disturbing fantasies. So I don't shame them, as long as they're not trying to impose their worldview on me or shaming others or calling them names.

By the way, in America, where both you and I live, "hate speech" IS covered under free speech law. There's no such thing as "hate speech" laws. The Nazis have a right to march down the streets of Skokie. That's the way our country is. You get to say hateful things. I, for one, am unapologetically glad that we have that right.

 

[cuzimhavingagoodtime]

Oh my fucking god.

(Ok let me state something in a tone of extreme confidence despite in reality only being like 75% confident. Bear with me)

You want to understand the genderdisperity of fiction posted to this website that looks like BurnTheBitch? Step One ignore everything posted in this thread that's trying to base an argument on real world stats, throw out all this data on real-word divorce rates and shit.
Your trying to explain stories. When people write stores, it's actually pretty rare for them to be writing on autobiographical experiences. Mostly people are writing stories on the firm foundation of other people's stories.

Why the emphasis on hate and revenge directed so disproportionately at cheating woman? where's all the similar stuff for cheating men, or non-cheating (but similarly evil) woman?

Because it's fucking literotica! Proud Home of "Loving Wives", Equally proud home of people not understanding that Loving Wives is a euphamism, ensuring every cuck-fic that will ever be written will have have someone screaming in outrage because they have just forcibly been made aware that cuck fetish stuff exists!

Unless your in a specific corner of the site for lesbian or femdom noncon-
Literitoca fiction is it's own little parallel universe with unique properties, such as infidelity being the only yet discovered way for a woman to be a bad person.

 

[nice90sguy]

I suppose it's slightly less odious that people read "Burn The Bitch" stories than that they actually do it, but... WTF

 

[cuzimhavingagoodtime]

Huh?

I doubt if you understood what you wrote. Cuz I'm not having a good time reading posts I don't understand.

I don't....think I'm particularly unclear here,? if there's a specific part you're not grokking let me know


But ok, with simplified and with the jokes and provocations taking out I'm saying:

the burnthebitches stories written for this site are, for the most part, a response to or derivative of the extremely well populated genre of "cheating wives" erotic fiction that exists here.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't....think I'm particularly unclear here,? if there's a specific part you're not grokking let me know


But ok, with simplified and with the jokes and provocations taking out I'm saying:

the burnthebitches stories written for this site are, for the most part, a response to or derivative of the extremely well populated genre of "cheating wives" erotic fiction that exists here.

Yes, they're in response but there is a difference

To a lot of men-the ones who aren't insecure little man babies or enraged incels-a wife cheating is a turn on, at least in the realm of fantasy fiction. The kink exists because men have it, and guess what? It is a male driven fantasy. Just go to the fetish forum and see how many threads are about guys wanting to see their wife with another guy, so the cheat aspect, the cuck etc...are an actual kink and its not new at all.

The response is not a kink. The response is frothing lunatics in the comments section and writers penning 100% torture porn and non con in a category that's supposed to serve a kink. Why are there no "burn the bastard stories" in non con aimed at the rapist? Because for the most part the crowd there gets its a fantasy. There is also the fact many people who don't like non con do not read there.

But people who hate cheating stories spend their entire day in that category freaking out about them.

The category is set up for the fantasy/fetish/kink crowd the BTB faction are just there to hate and get off on acts of violence

 

[NoTalentHack]

The response is not a kink. The response is frothing lunatics in the comments section and writers penning 100% torture porn and non con in a category that's supposed to serve a kink. Why are there no "burn the bastard stories" in non con aimed at the rapist? Because for the most part the crowd there gets its a fantasy. There is also the fact many people who don't like non con do not read there.

There are, actually. Not a huge amount, but there's more than a few that are "character got raped/is raped during the story, turns tables on attacker." Not a ton, but they're there. I'd be happy to see more of them, too.

 

[cuzimhavingagoodtime]

The response is not a kink. The response is frothing lunatics in the comments section and writers penning 100% torture porn and non con in a category that's supposed to serve a kink. Why are there no "burn the bastard stories" in non con aimed at the rapist? Because for the most part the crowd there gets its a fantasy. There is also the fact many people who don't like non con do not read there.

cosigned as an accurate description. So to my mind the explanation here is that these are the creative outputs of people who basically speaking just do not or haven't yet managed to figure out kink. they have no model of it's ability to effect the writing of those posting to literotica. They can't read something written to sexually titulate cockold fetishests and like, notice that. they're just like "holy shit this written by a writer from the joker universe who's narrative priorates are to confuse you and make you feel like shit!"

 

[Constories]

My burn the bastard story is pending now! Hopefully it'll be out for the Mickey Spillane event!

 

[AngelRider]

Anyone who enjoys violent stuff or is into Jason Statham or superhero movies just isn't worth mentioning. It's like they're hooked on American cultural garbage, and sadly, there's a huge demand for it.

My main gripe with the LW category isn't the violent BTB stories, but the sneaky misogyny hiding in them. You hardly see any stories that depict violence against women, and if there is any, it's usually some punch to the lover's nose or balls—pretty dumb but tolerable.

The popular LW stories typically have a subtler BTB theme, where the unfaithful wife gets punished psychologically and financially instead of physically. She ends up full of regrets, crying her heart out, while her ex gets a financial and romantic upgrade and lives happily ever after. Shallow and stupid, but tolerable.

Around half of the readers on the site are American, and most American LW readers are from the south. It's like they're raised on something that makes them crave shallow and ridiculous content. They sure can write, though, I'll give them that. But their stories are packed with chauvinistic and sexist content, hidden between the lines.

Since they make up most of the readers, writers, commenters, and voters on LW, they pretty much set the style.

Their stories are so damn predictable and formulaic, it makes me sick. It's always the same old plot—some nice and talented guy betrayed by his selfish and shallow wife, who enjoys mocking his fragile ego and cheating with the biggest douchebag she can find. Our protagonist suffers like hell but eventually gets his happy ending that always includes some lame punchline, while the betrayer is left crying and regretful.

They don't always mention geography in those stories, but you can easily tell from the macho attitude, bragging about their achievements, and aggressive talk that the protagonist is, surprise surprise, a cowboy! The way they portray women in those stories is downright ridiculous—heartless, superficial, and stupid—spreading misogyny and chauvinism, all disguised as innocent tales.

Everyone can read and write what they want. But a quick look at your favorite list and comments will show that you're into these crappy stories that promote sexism and misogyny. It's quite sad, but considering the Intellectual ability, it's tolerable.

That last sentence only indicates you have read precious little of the stories in my favorites because nearly all of them are either straight romances, redemption or reconciliation stories.

As for my comments? I read just about anything scoring over 4 in loving wives, most stories from my favorite authors and the odd tale here and there in other categories. But you go ahead and make sweeping generalizations.

What I find absolutely hilarious is that your entire opinion of me must be based on precious little, maybe a cursory glance at my activity and no more. From that I am the most loathed and promote misogyny and sexism. This amuses me like you have no idea.

It's fascinating how some people make such easily disproven false assertions with so much confidence.

 

[lovecraft68]

That last sentence only indicates you have read precious little of the stories in my favorites because nearly all of them are either straight romances, redemption or reconciliation stories.

As for my comments? I read just about anything scoring over 4 in loving wives, most stories from my favorite authors and the odd tale here and there in other categories. But you go ahead and make sweeping generalizations.

What I find absolutely hilarious is that your entire opinion of me must be based on precious little, maybe a cursory glance at my activity and no more. From that I am the most loathed and promote misogyny and sexism. This amuses me like you have no idea.

It's fascinating how some people make such easily disproven false assertions with so much confidence.

I'm more fascinated by how he KNOWS most of the LW readers are from the south part of the USA. Also thinking he made a typo when he said you rarely find stories there with violence against women because....well, just read this thread.

Tilan's issue is that like a lot of the more rabid readers there he has a lot of projection in his posts, insights and insults. He lives in the category both reading and writing and goes out of his way to defend it, but when not tries to push the idea the bad element is the total opposite of him. I'm sure he supports the worst of the worst there, but comes here to deny it the same way we see people commenting negatively about rape and incest in those categories, yet....they're in that category.

 

[AngelRider]

When was the last time you read an LW story? Could you find one from the past month that includes severe violence against women? You obviously have no idea what's going on there. About 80% of the stories fall into "cuck shit," most of which is poorly written and doesn't receive many views. The remaining 20% generally revolve around family drama.

There seems to be a tendency among some to vilify the LW crowd and use them as a scapegoat to feel morally superior. I won't express my full opinion since I realized you are a sensitive mollusk, but I will say that you have no right to judge others when you are no better. Take a look in the mirror.

Simon asked you a legitimate question: how can you claim to be an anti-violence advocate while enjoying horror movies/stories?

I'm not defending the LW crowd; I'm just saying that you have no right to criticize them.

Unlike you, I approach my sociological studies systematically and thoroughly. The comments interest me more than the stories themselves, and I even take the time to check readers' profiles. Through this, I've noticed that many of them are proud Southerners, particularly the Texans who often mention it in their profiles. You can verify this by looking at the first 50 profiles in LW's Hall of Fame.

I've read enough comments from the lady above us (who, no coincidentally, is a Texan too) to know which stories trigger a response from her, almost on impulse. You can learn a lot about a person not only from their writing style but also from the topics they comment on.

For instance, your immediate rush to "defend the hapless women" suggests a Neanderthal chauvinistic mindset, as if women are incapable of defending themselves. Perhaps it's easier for you to accuse others of misogyny than to acknowledge any bias you might have (even if, in your case, it's misanthropy rather than misogyny).

I'm sorry to shatter your fragile ego, but you might not be as clever as you believe. Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. I didn't know the term "incel" until you mentioned it here. That's why I asked you to be the first to read my "Incel" story. The satirical motif completely flew over your head. You actually thought I was trying to pander to the LW crowd with the POV of a misogynistic dog character. "The story will fly!" You claimed, but it didn't. Unlike you, they understood that the joke was on them. They may not be nice, but they are smarter.

In LW, there are between two and three thousand regular and very active readers who, sadly, set the tone, most of whom are Southerners. They tend to upvote mild revenge stories and downvote everything else.

BUT there are also tens of thousands of silent readers who have no special interest in kinks, BTB, or RAAC; they simply want to read a compelling family drama.

I know the question was directed to me but the answer is TODAY.

And what is it with you? You bitch me out for supporting misogynistic stories and then claim they aren't common? You are all over the place.

I'm from Texas? Lol. Rarely have I encountered someone so wrong and so often. My original intent was to point out your inaccuracies and hopefully encourage you to stop. Well, that's changed.

Please, by all means enlighten me about things I never knew about myself? I am woman from Texas riddled with internalized misogyny who is obsessed with stories that brutalize women? I must certainly celebrate them in my comments.

Seriously, I need to learn how he figured out my secret Texas identity.

 

[Vintage_DM]

My hubby and I have been reading plenty of burn the bitch stories, but I have noticed that there are very few cheating husband stories. Not even sure if there is a name for those.

The name for them is 'swordsman.'

 

[madelinemasoch]

The only Englishman that gets respect in the states is Churchill. ONLY because he had the balls to actually get the job done. NO respect for the way he got us into world war one with Lusitania.

What about the way he starved India?

 

[AchtungNight]

I myself am not a fan of this concept. Cheating is between the participants in a relationship and not anyone else. In general I think before I cheat, and I get my partner’s understanding and prior permission if I’m going to do it. I have not violated this ethic so far in reality. Fiction is different. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[djrip]

I myself am not a fan of this concept. Cheating is between the participants in a relationship and not anyone else. In general I think before I cheat, and I get my partner’s understanding and prior permission if I’m going to do it. I have not violated this ethic so far in reality. Fiction is different. I’ll leave it at that.

I think if you get your partner's permission, you're not cheating. At least I wouldn't call it that.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I think if you get your partner's permission, you're not cheating. At least I wouldn't call it that.

I would agree with this, but I'd also say that 1) it's a problem that a big chunk of the LW readership doesn't agree with that assessment and 2) that, even if the couple is cheating, in the case of LW, it's fictional. While I'm not in the "break up big Loving Wives" camp, I do see the frustration.

 

[lovecraft68]

Something I just posted in another thread made me think to mention it here. Part of the issue with the growing negative factions of LW is the nature of this site. Its free, and it allows people to not even have to create a user name to comment as anon.

In the pay market the hotwife/cuck stories sell very well, and all versions from stag/vixen to total cuck humiliation and even the reviews are generally good. So the difference is "clientele' so to speak. People who will pay for a story are doing so because they like the kink, but because its free here the type who hates everything can just come here and blast and froth away. so this is a lit problem moreso than an over all story/kink problem.

Few years back I'd say nothing you can do, but now that they screen comments? They can control this, some of these things should not be getting through and I wonder how many comments made by the worst of the worst not getting through would turn them from the site? Probably not many, this isn't a lot with much backbone or conviction