brother sister non-consent

[siblingman]

I have a storyline in mind but need help putting it together. This guy (around 25) is dating this girl that his 2 sisters despise because she's a drunk & a liar. The girlfriend knows this and wants to humiliate the girls. The older sister (23) is very cute, slightly chubby but very vanilla when it comes to sex (no experimentation in bed). She tries to keep her opinions to herself. The younger sister is 18, also cute, likes to party and is very vocal about her dislike for the girlfriend.
The girlfriend’ s brother, when she was 18 and drunk, forced himself on her one night. After a few days she came to the realization that she really liked what happened with her brother. Over the next few months she sometimes made believe she was drunk so her brother would do her. When her brother moved away she kept entertained with incest websites & videos. Then she dated a guy who asked her what she was into. Although she kept it to herself, she told him about her love for incest. He asked her if she wanted to watch him fuck his sister. She said “yes”. Over the next few weeks, she would watch as he would drug his sister, then fuck her.
After a few months, he decided he didn’t want to do it anymore (fear of her getting pregnant). Then she met her current boyfriend. Now here’s where I’m stuck. Her target is the younger sister. Either by drugs or blackmail, she figures a way to have her boyfriend & his younger sister have sex. After he comes after just a few minutes, she decides she wants more. She now targets the older sister and wants the boyfriend to take his time with her. Kissing, touching, tasting. The older sister has to be awake. The girlfriend tells her story to the older sister and what she made her brother to her sister. Then the older sister realizes what’s about to happen..the fear of not just committing incest but his cock entering her after it’s been in her own sister. All the time the girlfriend is taping it with her cell phone to use against them.
So how & where does it happen? Details on the setup and especially what he does to the older sister. Is the brother drugged...blackmailed?

 

[lovecraft68]

Your story to tell, but let me issue a disclaimer.

In general non consent does not go over, overly well in incest.

The incest crowd(despite the fact in real life incest is pretty heinous) like their fantasy incest to be light, fluffy and fun. They even enjoy a lot of "incest romance"

Most non consent incest stories I have seen have been beaten on pretty good.

Also, maybe its me, but I had a hard time following your post. I kind of lost track who the hell was doing what to who.

 

[PerilEyes]

Dark and evil...I like it!

 

[HeyAll]

Perhaps the girlfriend is despised because she is an extremely arrogant person. She's from a wealthy & influential family, so she's used to getting whatever she wants.

Perhaps the girlfriend's father is the Dean of the University which they all attend (or plan to attend)

The girlfriend threatens (any of them) to comply with her or get blacklisted from the university.

The sisters are all academic and smart, so they'll do anything to stay in that university.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

I have a storyline in mind but need help putting it together. This guy (around 25) is dating this girl that his 2 sisters despise because she's a drunk & a liar. The girlfriend knows this and wants to humiliate the girls. The older sister (23) is very cute, slightly chubby but very vanilla when it comes to sex (no experimentation in bed). She tries to keep her opinions to herself. The younger sister is 18, also cute, likes to party and is very vocal about her dislike for the girlfriend.
The girlfriend’ s brother, when she was 18 and drunk, forced himself on her one night. After a few days she came to the realization that she really liked what happened with her brother. Over the next few months she sometimes made believe she was drunk so her brother would do her. When her brother moved away she kept entertained with incest websites & videos. Then she dated a guy who asked her what she was into. Although she kept it to herself, she told him about her love for incest. He asked her if she wanted to watch him fuck his sister. She said “yes”. Over the next few weeks, she would watch as he would drug his sister, then fuck her.
After a few months, he decided he didn’t want to do it anymore (fear of her getting pregnant). Then she met her current boyfriend. Now here’s where I’m stuck. Her target is the younger sister. Either by drugs or blackmail, she figures a way to have her boyfriend & his younger sister have sex. After he comes after just a few minutes, she decides she wants more. She now targets the older sister and wants the boyfriend to take his time with her. Kissing, touching, tasting. The older sister has to be awake. The girlfriend tells her story to the older sister and what she made her brother to her sister. Then the older sister realizes what’s about to happen..the fear of not just committing incest but his cock entering her after it’s been in her own sister. All the time the girlfriend is taping it with her cell phone to use against them.
So how & where does it happen? Details on the setup and especially what he does to the older sister. Is the brother drugged...blackmailed?

I am the only one who finds this outline a hot mess? I'm trying to ferret it out:

• Guy is dating chick his sisters hate. Okay - got that.
• Girlfriend knows guy's sisters don't like her and wants the sisters to get their comeuppance. Okay - got that.
• The girlfriend has a history of incest with her brother is excited by the idea of incest. Yeah, I got that. Built in major taboo. Okay.
• Then I get confused. Apparently she once dated a guy willing to drug and fuck his sister for her pleasure? Um, okay, I think I get that. The drugging part doesn't fly on this site. Is it the OP's lame attempt at making things happen or does the OP have a thing for fucking limp, passed out people? I'm going to guess its the OP's lame attempt at imagining how and why bro/sis could ever hook up. That gives us a girlfriend who doesn't have that boundary. She has fucked her brother. She has dated at least one man willing to break the same taboo (ah, community!). She maintains the same fantasy (times two since he has two sisters) with the current boyfriend and has more motivation because the sisters don't like her. I guess that works for me from an outlining point of view, minus the drugging/limp/non-consent aspect of things.
• Does the reason why her old boyfriend stops drugging & fucking his sister (because he's afraid she would get pregnant) come across as lame to anyone else? There are lots of reasons why he might stop and all of those reasons end with the same results - the girlfriend dumps him and moves on to new prey. At least that's how I see it.
• I'm guessing the OP has a thing for sisters being drunk & drugged - since they suggest that the older sister shouldn't be passed out. That's unfortunate, because it eliminates any potential of submitting the story to Lit.
• Finally, we reach the most interesting twist of the story: the girlfriend reveals to the older sister what has been going on - which horrifies and excites the older sister, though there's no explanation given why the older sister would submit, aside from her being a bit chubby and vanilla. Even less of a reason why the older sister would allow the girlfriend (who she hates) to watch and film the activity. Though I guess the girlfriend could be hidden while watching and taping the activity.
• Okay, I have questions enough, but what's up with the OP's questions: So how & where does it happen? Dude, really? Where does it happen? In fucking La-La Land, I guess. You have problems enough with your idea long before you get to "how and where"! As for Details on the setup and especially what he does to the older sister. Are you looking for an instruction sheet on how to fuck your sister? Though, to be fair, getting someone who isn't drugged to go along with your idea IS more interesting that most of the suggestions. Is the brother drugged...blackmailed? Why would the brother need to be drugged? In the OP's outline, he's already demonstrated his willingness to drug and fuck his younger sister. Why does the brother need extra encouragement to do the older sister? Because she's going to be aware of what's happening?

 

[Tmmldr]

I am the only one who finds this outline a hot mess? I'm trying to ferret it out:....

No, you are not.

Something like this might have merit from the point of view of the one who was drugged, who didn't know they were drugged.. Some thing like...

Sally brushed her hair and thought about her date tonight. It was going to be so much fun! She thought back to the last time she'd gone out with Jim. He'd been so nice, but she'd drank too much. She didn't remember much of that night, but it'd been so nice of him and Janet to bring her back home and put her to bed. She'd woke up the next day about noon, still in her cocktail dress. What a mess it'd been!

She wished she didn't have these spells where she couldn't remember what happened. They'd been more frequent since she met Jim. What could be wrong? Maybe she needed to see a doctor. Naw, it was just that she couldn't hold her liquor. Well, of course they'd been smoking some really good stuff, too.

....like...the girl is totally clueless about being drugged and trusts the guy...

 

[Sean Renaud]

Honestly you've got too many moving parts. This isn't a soap opera that's been running for twenty years and needs to be convoluted as all hell to make sense, this is a one shot story.

I would cut it down to the bare bones. Sisters don't like the girlfriend and it's mutual. Girlfriend wants vengeance (perhaps the sisters started it, I can easily see them taking turns humiliating each other), boy has always had an eye for his sisters. BAM. NonCon!

And as usual don't listen to lovecraft. I don't know if the incest crowd would beat up on this story or not (I'd post it in the non-con category anyway. As a rule of thumb you should always post your story in the kinkiest category it qualifies for and Non-Con outranks Incest just like incest outranks anal or first time.) but people beat up on anything you put in Loving Wives. That's not a good reason not to post a story. A good reason not to post a story would be said story being garbage and this as ideas go isn't half bad.

 

[sr71plt]

Non-Con outranks Incest

My impression is that nothing (but Gay Male) outranks Incest. Can you cite examples of Nonconsent having outranked Incest?

 

[Sean Renaud]

My impression is that nothing (but Gay Male) outranks Incest. Can you cite examples of Nonconsent having outranked Incest?

To be fair that's more an opinion than a fact. I would cite lovecraft above but that's not really evidence.

Gay male does as you state outrank everything (but non-con, I would assume that man on man rape would go in non-con not in gay for that exact reason) but I don't have a chart for this.

 

[lovecraft68]

My impression is that nothing (but Gay Male) outranks Incest. Can you cite examples of Nonconsent having outranked Incest?

I have to agree look no further than mother/daughter or sister/sister incest being well received in incest, but father/son or brother/brother seems to end up in GM. or if in incest its pretty low scored.

 

[lovecraft68]

And as usual don't listen to lovecraft.

First non con will not trump incest.

If the author posted this and chose non con, but Laurel saw it contained incest, incest is where it will go.

Incest will get killed in non con, more than non con will get killed in incest, but incest is not fond of non con.

And I can back this easily with my own work this is chapter one in my SWB series

http://www.literotica.com/s/siblings-with-benefits-ch-01

Sex starts on the bottom of page one. It is fully consensual, but rough as all hell. The series was a BDSM/Incest crossover of sorts

I think you know incest garners huge numbers. (my latest bro/sis picked up 1800 votes and 140 favs) well this series by the 10th chapter was lucky to be seeing 100 votes while other stories around it were getting hundreds,

this was due to the rough-and again consensual-sex and the dark subject matter.

incest fans want light and fluffy, why, not sure, but I got a lot of private feedback flaming the rough sex.

Including the classic remark, that "That is no way for a young man to treat his loving sister"

I'm not telling the guy how to write his story, but fair warning this will not be popular in incest and if it did default yo non con it will absolutely get torched.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Like I said, it's an opinion.

I doubt Laurel would change a non-con story to incest if it involves incest. However if that's true than it means in her opinion Incest outranks non-con which seems unlikely. As you must know as an author here non-con like Lovingwives has a fairly large amount of haters who come in just to hate. I've NEVER had anybody say shit about incest. You'd think everybody was fucking family from the combine amount of readers and lack of haters. Clearly non-con offends more people than incest.

But like I said it's an opinion. I could be wrong.

 

[lovecraft68]

Like I said, it's an opinion.

I doubt Laurel would change a non-con story to incest if it involves incest. However if that's true than it means in her opinion Incest outranks non-con which seems unlikely. As you must know as an author here non-con like Lovingwives has a fairly large amount of haters who come in just to hate. I've NEVER had anybody say shit about incest. You'd think everybody was fucking family from the combine amount of readers and lack of haters. Clearly non-con offends more people than incest.

But like I said it's an opinion. I could be wrong.

I agree non con has flamers. Usually on the "true" rape stories.

In one sense I like that as I'm not a fan of rape, but I wonder what people who hate rape are doing in the non con section?

As for LW no rhyme or reason to the flaming they're all just bitter and mad about something.

and it is opinion, but I would stick with incest having more squick factor than all but GM

And I have had some troll remarks in mine and seen them in others.

Only Laurel could tell you if she would move this from NC to incest and I doubt she will.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I agree that a lot of the non-com haters are dumb. I havseen much proof of them hating on "true" rape but I don't write a lot of non-con anyway so maybe it's just me.

As for Loving Wives I maintain that Loving Wives should either be eliminated entirely or split in two. Give swingers a category and cuckolds/cheating a category. It seems like a lot of the hatred in the LW category is that those two groups are fighting over the category and you can't help but piss off one of those groups and they all read those stories because they don't have a good way of knowing which camp you belong to until it happens.

I'm willing to accept that my opinion may be wrong here. I would place Non-Con higher on the squick factor than incest. I would place Non-Con where you place incest to be honest. Gay Male, Non-con, Incest after that it gets really hazy really quick. I assume we agree for example that if your butt fucking your sister that belongs in incest and not in anal? Or if your first time is with an aggressor it goes in non-com not in First Time? And not that it's really because of squick so much as "rank" for a lack of better terminology but if you're in a relationship with a 2000 year old vampire your story belongs in Sci-Fi/Fantasy not Mature, not anal, etc etc?

I ask because since this is an opinion I'm not going to sit here and go round and round arguing something that I can't prove one way or the other and I suspect that you agree with my premise just not on that particular rank.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

Before I took down my incest stories, I did pretty well with blackmail as the motivation for incest. Guess that's not quite the same as non-con?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Before I took down my incest stories, I did pretty well with blackmail as the motivation for incest. Guess that's not quite the same as non-con?

Really depends on who you ask and when.