Brit thread.

[pop_54]

I'm glad you added a smiley there lauren, 'cos we ain't smiling about it.

Everything you've quoted has been in our own press here. It's old news.

The thing is, we know we played better during the first 15 minutes and when we were losing than we did throughout the rest of the game. The sad part is that for some reason, the England players resorted to playing 8 in defence and hoofing the ball upfield, instead of playing our natural game.

I suspect they had a subconscious fear of names like Figo & Costa etc, which led them to defend so deeply we could never get out.

If we'd played like we can and have, and like we did while we were losing, the blatantly poor refereeing and penalty spot debacle wouldn't have been an issue as we'd quite likely have beaten Portugal by 2 goals.

The referee was playing for the home side. Of that I have no doubt. How else do you explain Rooney having a free kick given against him when it was his foot that was broken? What foul did he commit?

There were a number of other very poor decisions that went against England too. Two against Darius Vassel who was blatantly fouled but had the decision given against him.

All of that said, Meier may well have had a point when he said that what happens in the English game is not allowed in Europe.

The English game of football thankfully still retains a lot of it's original "hardship".

Europeans who come to the Premiership often take half a season to come to terms with our game, because it is so physical.

This has been refined a lot by continental managers coming in, but the toughness is still there. It's what makes our game the most exciting in the world and it's why a lot of the top players in the world, who aren't necessarily just in the game for the millions, come to England.

I won't say the money isn't a part of it for them, of course it is.

Anyway, that's my rant for the evening done!

Thank you for your time.

Hey mate... why beat about the bush... why not just say the continentals are a bunch of poofters

 

[neonlyte]

Fer Gawds sake people are you all still whinging about the footy!
Its over, finito, bin an gone.

No, it's over for the English, Germans, French, Italians, Spanish....

It is not over for Portugal, Holland, Czech or Greece.

Incidently, out of those five 'favoured' teams, Portugal disposed of two of them.

 

[oggbashan]

Brit Opportunity

You can join with Og making a spectacle of yourself on 12 June 2005:

Be in the Dover Pageant

Of course you might just want to be a spectator, but the performers have more enjoyment...

Og

 

[pop_54]

Re: Brit Opportunity

You can join with Og making a spectacle of yourself on 12 June 2005:

Be in the Dover Pageant

Of course you might just want to be a spectator, but the performers have more enjoyment...

Og

I shall enter that in the diary Oggie...

 

[pop_54]

No, it's over for the English, Germans, French, Italians, Spanish....

It is not over for Portugal, Holland, Czech or Greece.

Incidently, out of those five 'favoured' teams, Portugal disposed of two of them.

Yea but they were playing with 12 men against one of them

 

[Guest]

Yea but they were playing with 12 men against one of them

Quite!

Lou

 

[Guest]

Re: Brit Opportunity

You can join with Og making a spectacle of yourself on 12 June 2005:

Be in the Dover Pageant

Of course you might just want to be a spectator, but the performers have more enjoyment...

Og

You mean it's possible to join in? Whoop! I might have a look at that.

Failing that, like Pops, I've also got the date marked in my diary.

Lou

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Yea but they were playing with 12 men against one of them

Someone should have told Beckham, then.

 

[pop_54]

Someone should have told Beckham, then.

Sorry I meant to say 13 men

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Well, I'm not going to post more about that in this thread, but since you ask, Rooney should have gotten a yellow card, if the ref had played by the rules on that play. His foul was to play without a boot, and it is supposed to come with a yellow card. Look it up.

That's a very old rule that has no place in todays game. I must admit I'd forgotten about that rule, but it was written to prevent different circumstances than those which occurred. His boot was removed by the foot of the defender, or didn't you see that either.

However, I bow to your better, more informed knowledge.

Normally I would hope that the team that beat us would win, so at least we could say we were beaten by the winners, but under these circumstances, I can't, I'm sorry.

Frankly I don't care now, I'm just glad all the Arsenal players are out, so they can get maximum rest before the start of the new season.

Roll-on the new season.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Hey mate... why beat about the bush... why not just say the continentals are a bunch of poofters

The continentals are a bunch of poofters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

As for your post before: too right!

Lou

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Well, believe what you need to believe.

The entire world except the English thinks that goal was correctly judged by the referee; the entire world except the English knows that if there was a wrong decision on Rooney's incident was the missing yellow card (I think the ref did the correct thing when he didn't show the card; it wouldn't have been good for the match, then); if there were any other cases in point about the "blatantly poor refereeing," the entire world has missed them.

The rules of the game are quite explicit and are made by the International Football Association Board, whose members are:

- The [English] Football Association
- The Scottish Football Association
- The Football Association of Wales
- Irish Football Association
- FIFA

You are the ones who set the poofter rules. If you can't play by them, you really have no one to blame but yourselves.





PS: We'll kick your ass on the new season as well.

 

[Guest]

Oh well, so much for sympathy. I thought others might at least acknowledge that England had been rather hard done by.

Some of those decisions were questionable, to say the least, and I'm not even talking about Sol's disallowed goal here.

That's it, have as many laughs as you want at our expense, but please don't do it in our faces. Try putting yourselves in our shoes, just for a moment.

Lou

P.S. Not only us English think the goal should've been allowed. Bertie Ahern, the Irish PM said it was a goal, no doubt. This was on camera, during a joint press conference with Tony Blair - who was trying to be diplomatic, until Bertie Ahern spoke up. I'm rather tired of trying to be diplomatic, too.

P.P.S. Why has Urs Meier now been stopped from refereeing the final? He was down to do that, until after the England - Portugal match.

 

[oggbashan]

Oh well, so much for sympathy. I thought others might at least acknowledge that England had been rather hard done by.

Some of those decisions were questionable, to say the least, and I'm not even talking about Sol's disallowed goal here.

That's it, have as many laughs as you want at our expense, but please don't do it in our faces. Try putting yourselves in our shoes, just for a moment.

Lou

Lou - Whatever the referee did or didn't do, England lost the game because after the first ten minutes we played badly. Portugal were given the ball time after time and attacked with every chance WE gave them.

Our passing was sloppy, we cleared the ball straight to Portuguese players, and we looked like a useless team.

If Portugal had been lucky with some of their shots we would have lost before extra time. They deserved to win without the need for a penalty shootout.

If England had won and had continued to play like we did that day, we would have been eliminated in the next match.

England didn't look like the team who had played the previous matches. In those, we had possession, we attacked again and again. In that last match we gave the ball away and didn't attack enough.

Sorry. We lost to a better team - at that match. Whether they are we are better overall is irrelevant. They played better that time.

Og (disappointed because I thought England could and should have played better).

 

[Guest]

Lou - Whatever the referee did or didn't do, England lost the game because after the first ten minutes we played badly. Portugal were given the ball time after time and attacked with every chance WE gave them.

Our passing was sloppy, we cleared the ball straight to Portuguese players, and we looked like a useless team.

If Portugal had been lucky with some of their shots we would have lost before extra time. They deserved to win without the need for a penalty shootout.

If England had won and had continued to play like we did that day, we would have been eliminated in the next match.

England didn't look like the team who had played the previous matches. In those, we had possession, we attacked again and again. In that last match we gave the ball away and didn't attack enough.

Sorry. We lost to a better team - at that match. Whether they are we are better overall is irrelevant. They played better that time.

Og (disappointed because I thought England could and should have played better).

I know all that! I've even said much the same myself, on a few occassions.

It was after Rooney went off, through injury, that our play went from offensive to defensive.

I'm as disappointed as anyone else in how we played. I just think it was exaggerated by some poor decisions. But, I'm biased, so what do I know?

I don't think Beckham is a strong enough captain, that's for sure. We need somebody with more presence leading the boys on the pitch. Sol Cambell, perhaps?

Lou

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Well, believe what you need to believe.

The entire world except the English thinks that goal was correctly judged by the referee; the entire world except the English knows that if there was a wrong decision on Rooney's incident was the missing yellow card (I think the ref did the correct thing when he didn't show the card; it wouldn't have been good for the match, then); if there were any other cases in point about the "blatantly poor refereeing," the entire world has missed them.

The rules of the game are quite explicit and are made by the International Football Association Board, whose members are:

- The [English] Football Association
- The Scottish Football Association
- The Football Association of Wales
- Irish Football Association
- FIFA

You are the ones who set the poofter rules. If you can't play by them, you really have no one to blame but yourselves.





PS: We'll kick your ass on the new season as well.

Totally agree on all that Lauren, except the completely ridiculous last bit!

As if!!!!!


However, it's FIFA that make the rules in football now, nobody else. If anybody doesn't like it, then they don't play with the rest simple as that, so everybody goes along.

It's FIFA that has softened the rules of football. Some of the rule changes have been for the better, others have not.

It would seem that in England, thankfully, some respect is paid to the original spirit of the game. It's a man's game, played by men, and the game was hard. It still is in England, as hard as it can be, played by FIFA rules.

Enough already, I could go on and on.

I'd like to see what Porto do next season, with the new manager. Who is it anyway?? Have they got one yet?? Seriously, I don't know.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Chelsea do here too.

I have to say I hope their wheels come off again.

But then I would.

 

[Guest]

Hasn't the weather been lovely today?

Little bit too breezy for my liking, but can't complain.

I wonder what it will be like tomorrow...?

Lou

 

[lewdandlicentious]

I understand it's gonna get very blowy.

Driving winds, enough to blow you over!!!!

 

[Lauren Hynde]

However, it's FIFA that make the rules in football now, nobody else. If anybody doesn't like it, then they don't play with the rest simple as that, so everybody goes along.

Nah, it's still the Board that makes the rules. I just conviniently left out that the English FA, the Scottish FA, the Wales FA and the Irish FA have 1 vote each, while FIFA has 4 votes. The Brits are still half-responsable for it. That's more than anyone else.

I'd like to see what Porto do next season, with the new manager. Who is it anyway?? Have they got one yet?? Seriously, I don't know.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Chelsea do here too.

Porto's new manager is Luigi Del Neri, Italian, and was announced two or three days after Mourinho was confirmed in Chelsea.

I think Porto will do OK. They'll lose 2 or 3 players, but the structure will be the same.

I'm also curious to see Chelsea this season. If they give him enough time, Mourinho will get the job done, have no doubt.

 

[Guest]

I understand it's gonna get very blowy.

Driving winds, enough to blow you over!!!!

Yep, it might get pretty wet, as well as very blowy.

Watch out, or you might get completely blown up!

Lou

 

[upfront]

I reckon the final of the Euro Whinging Competition would be a closely fought contest between us (England) and the Italians. The Italians would scrape home thanks to their sheer paranoia and belief in widespread conspiracies against them, while we'd be worthy finalists thanks to our dogged determination to find an easy scapegoat.

We played shit.

The referee was shit.

That doesn't, however, mean the ref was biased. He was having a poor game before Campbell's goal was disallowed, but not every decision went Portugal's way. Why can't we just accept, as Og says, that we were beaten in a semi-lottery by a better team who should have beaten us well before it got to penalties? I feel no animosity towards the Portugal team. In fact I feel more animosity towards my own for playing such bollocks footie when it mattered most.

A final point: we were playing shite well before Rooney went off. He's a great player, but let's not pin everything on the bad luck of losing him to injury.

 

[neonlyte]

Yea but they were playing with 12 men against one of them

Well, you should have paid him more money

I am on record as saying that my Anglo-Portuguese status gave me the distinct advantage of supporting both. I was pretty fair behind England, until they lost.

I also remember saying that if Portugal came at England the way they went about Spain, England would struggle. That's what happened. (Doesn't Erikson read this thread?)

Now let's get behind Portugal. They are Englands oldest allies after all.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

We played shit.

The referee was shit.

That my friend, is it in a nutshell.

It's just so damned annoying!!!!!

 

[pop_54]

I know all that! I've even said much the same myself, on a few occassions.

It was after Rooney went off, through injury, that our play went from offensive to defensive.

I'm as disappointed as anyone else in how we played. I just think it was exaggerated by some poor decisions. But, I'm biased, so what do I know?

I don't think Beckham is a strong enough captain, that's for sure. We need somebody with more presence leading the boys on the pitch. Sol Cambell, perhaps?

Lou

No good having Sol as Cpt all his goals get disallowed.

I'm not a soccer supporter... I think they're all a bunch of poofters... and they played like a bunch of ill disciplined 8 yr old's last week, not fit to be where they were in the competion... but that ref had serious problems with something... perhaps he should've gone to Specsavers... I've ref'd Rugby matches and the rules are the same... if you aint sure, or are too far away / unsighted as he was... you ask the line judge to decide... and as far as I could see the line judge had already flagged a goal... mind you I wasn't really concentrating.

High time all these over paid nancy boys from the English Premiership had a wake up call... England couldn't have done much worse if the team had been picked from the lower divisions... probably have been a hungrier bunch of wild men altogether... just what soccer needs to wake it up a bit.