Branding and Nonconsent

[MzDeviancy]

I've noticed from what I've read of the BDSM stories that a lot of people are really down on any nonconsent or anything heavy like branding in BDSM stories. I realize that BDSM people are really into the safe, sane, and consensual ideology, but how many of you guys feel that nonconsent/branding has no place even in fantasy?

 

[catalina_francisco]

I've noticed from what I've read of the BDSM stories that a lot of people are really down on any nonconsent or anything heavy like branding in BDSM stories. I realize that BDSM people are really into the safe, sane, and consensual ideology, but how many of you guys feel that nonconsent/branding has no place even in fantasy?

Not sure I agree with branding someone non-consensually, but I am branded.

Catalina

 

[Slutacus]

I think it may be the particular place or places you're getting your stories from. On some sites, it's hard to get non-consent published. There are plenty of hardcore non-consent fantasy archives on the web that involve branding and more.

 

[graceanne]

. . . but how many of you guys feel that nonconsent/branding has no place even in fantasy?

I think that people can fantasize about anything they want to, even if it's branding and nonconsent. There are many MANY people who fantasize about being raped or raping. What you do is what counts.

 

[FurryFury]

In fantasy everything is good in my book regardless of if I think I would want to do it in RL or if it's okay legality wise. The more taboo and "nasty" the better in my personal opinion. Non consent is on of my very favorite things in fantasy.

Fury

 

[Chicklet]

I've noticed from what I've read of the BDSM stories that a lot of people are really down on any nonconsent or anything heavy like branding in BDSM stories. I realize that BDSM people are really into the safe, sane, and consensual ideology, but how many of you guys feel that nonconsent/branding has no place even in fantasy?

nothing wrong with nonconsent fantasy imho. Half my stories are nonconsent. That's the category on lit that I get most of my erotica favorites off of.

I think of it as "ravishment fantasy"

 

[Kind der Nacht]

I quite enjoy branding, my girlfreind is marked by me though i prefer using a bite scar rather then other methods of branding. As for nonconcent i enjoy fanticies about rape and permentantly scaring victems and aslong as the fanticies stay in your head and you don't act on them they are fine.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I've noticed from what I've read of the BDSM stories that a lot of people are really down on any nonconsent or anything heavy like branding in BDSM stories. I realize that BDSM people are really into the safe, sane, and consensual ideology, but how many of you guys feel that nonconsent/branding has no place even in fantasy?

OK, re-read this after reading everyone else's response to the idea of nonconsent in fantasy or stories, which I agree is fine....never have been an advocate of censorship....but I still read the question as referring to fantasy and stories, but also asking if it is OK in RL, which for me is not. Maybe I am just misinterpreting that part of 'no place even in fantasy' as saying do we think it has no place in RL or fantasy.

Catalina

 

[Chicklet]

OK, re-read this after reading everyone else's response to the idea of nonconsent in fantasy or stories, which I agree is fine....never have been an advocate of censorship....but I still read the question as referring to fantasy and stories, but also asking if it is OK in RL, which for me is not. Maybe I am just misinterpreting that part of 'no place even in fantasy' as saying do we think it has no place in RL or fantasy.

Catalina

Well, it's hard to answer that. If I were to be honest with myself about what *I* believe doesn't have any place in real life OR fantasy, I'd say things like "incest" and "pedophilia" - pedophilia being more obvious, incest just being something that freaks me out. I know a LOT of people have those fantasies, and at least with the incest who'm I to say it's wrong It's just personal opinion, that.

But what I interpreted the comment above as meaning was that non consent is so so bad, like pedophilia, it doesn't have any place even in our fantasies. Which I disagreed with. No place in real life, sure. Well, rape doesn't. I think we had a thread about rape fantasies, though? Lots of people play-rape. There's a difference between play-rape and real rape, in my opinion, and fantasies and erotica about nonconsent are in the play category.

That's my rephrased answer

 

[graceanne]

I read a book about women's fantasy's once, and like almost all of the women who took place in the study have had rape fantasy's. It's a very VERY common fantasy.

Beyond that, how exactly are people gonna enforce a 'taboo' on fantasy's? It's not like you know what others are fantasizing about.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I read a book about women's fantasy's once, and like almost all of the women who took place in the study have had rape fantasy's. It's a very VERY common fantasy.

Beyond that, how exactly are people gonna enforce a 'taboo' on fantasy's? It's not like you know what others are fantasizing about.

LOL, I dunno but I heard Oprah listing words she wants eliminated from the English language...sheeesh, get over it, if you don't like it don't use it but don't limit language by sanitising it to the specifications of those who have money enough to influence opinion. Makes me wonder then how you would tell what has taken place in history in an effort to prevent it happening again.

Catalina

 

[graceanne]

LOL, I dunno but I heard Oprah listing words she wants eliminated from the English language...sheeesh, get over it, if you don't like it don't use it but don't limit language by sanitising it to the specifications of those who have money enough to influence opinion. Makes me wonder then how you would tell what has taken place in history in an effort to prevent it happening again.

Catalina

Oh, good lord. But then we have sanitized our language, it's called being politically correct. Why do you see so many stories that are called 'non consent' stories as apposed to rape? It's not non-consent it's RAPE.

 

[Chicklet]

Why do you see so many stories that are called 'non consent' stories as apposed to rape? It's not non-consent it's RAPE.

it's not non-consent! it's RAVISHMENT!

 

[blondi84]

What do you mean by "branding"? Like one would brand a farm animal?

 

[catalina_francisco]

What do you mean by "branding"? Like one would brand a farm animal?

Basically yes, burned into the flesh.

Catalina

 

[blondi84]

oh

 

[pandoravampire]

When i first began my journey, i was naive enough to believe that as long as you consented, nothing would be illegal. Ive sinced discovered that even on boards such as this, censorship abounds.
The 'what is legal' and therefor postable, is country specific. For instance, i know of a D/s couple, when i lived in the uk, he is a vet, he 'microchipped' his sub, i thought about this recently, fantasised about it, and decided that 15 yrs on, and in a different country,id like to consider this.
Yet when i posted a question of how id go about this safely, my thread was removed as it was a illegal activity in america.

Personally, i think it is arrogant of a country's laws, to overide what we both decide to do consentually to each other. It will just push people underground, back to the days of 'back street abortions' so will branding, microchipping etc follow. If i want to do something we have chosen to do, id like to be able to post questions to a board like this, and have a miriad of responses, some resourceful, some opinionated, some anecdotal, i can proceed this way, toward a informed consent. Im really into that phrase 'informed' consent. As without the information, you lack the capacity to truly consent.
and blah blah blah.........

With regard to the original post.

I think non consentual has no place in real life. Of the people i know where branding has occured, it has been consented to. Either specifically consented to, or as part of a D/s or M/s overall arrangement, whereby the agreed dynamic is one of a 'once only for everything' consent. Such as with Masters and their slaves.

For me personally, i 'consent' to much, but it is within SS&C, anything that would be really pushing the boundry, such as branding for me, id like some 'discussion' before i gave specific permission for that event.

As a fantasy, anything goes. If i want to fantasise about the most taboo images, then i may. Inside my head, there is only me gatekeeping. I like it that way.

pandoravampire

 

[catalina_francisco]

For instance, i know of a D/s couple, when i lived in the uk, he is a vet, he 'microchipped' his sub, i thought about this recently, fantasised about it, and decided that 15 yrs on, and in a different country,id like to consider this.
Yet when i posted a question of how id go about this safely, my thread was removed as it was a illegal activity in america.


pandoravampire

Was that here as I never saw it, but can give you information if you want as I also am interested in it and stumbled on some more recent info this week? PM if you want it.

Catalina

 

[Quint]

Microchip? I'm extremely curious, please give more details!

Yeah the NC thing sort of tends to clash in BDSM lit, because most people here will say that BDSM resides almost solely upon the element of consent. I don't know where you got the perception that hardcore or permanent pain play was pooh-poohed, though. I've read some good realistic edgy stuff...but then again, I have some idea which authors are for real and which authors are writing another "innocent nun in a corrupt convent" sort of "BDSM" tale.

 

[Chicklet]

Microchip? I'm extremely curious, please give more details!

I think Pandora means this.

 

[blue kat]

I've known several branded slaves, but I've never actually seen it featured in a story. Non-consent wise, it's one of those things that I fantasize about a lot, but I've never indulged.

The microchip thing squicks me because I have this image of big brother messing with me. I can't remember where I saw them, but there were two articles that come to mind right away. One was about the kidnapping of political figures in South America. The theory was, if you chipped them, you could rescue them easily and right away, and not have to pay ransom so that the whole kidnapping fad would go away. Another article that I think was somewhere here in Canada, was an idea to microchip registered sex offenders, to avoid "losing" them when they relocate and also to trace their where abouts when an attack occurred and they were accused. I was disturbed at myself cause I wanted to chip these bastards, civil liberties be damned, in this case. But then again, if I mess with their freedom, what happens to mine? What are the ramifications of treating people like cattle? It's one of those political conundrums that leads a person in circles for hours! So the whole political/Big Brother/Ender's Game thing about chipping blows it out of the sensual waters for me.

 

[shy slave]

Non-Consent branding in r/l makes me feel very uncomfortable, even at a low level.

For example piercing small childrens ears before they are able to have a view on it.
Its not illegal here but its something that I think should fall under the umbrella of abuse.
I know some cultures do this as part of their culture and thats different as its something that brings them into the unity of a community and way of life (please no comments on cult worship and how my words can be twisted to meet their goals).

Fantasy is different up to a point.

Many years ago a man flashed at me. The following week he attacked me and sort of raped me.

As an adult I look back at that and other violent crimes and recognise his obession about me started as a fantasy about a school girl (straw hat, knee high skirt, white socks etc) and I filled that role. He moved from fantasy into showing himself to me into attacking me.

How many times have you had an opportunity to act out a fantasy and you have taken that moment?
Was it as you thought it would be? I doubt it was exactly like every aspect of the fantasy as r/l has a way of not acting to form

What did you do? Put it down to experience, or try again but at a different level?

Fantasies change, they can become more complex or fade away. It varies, I don't have the same fantasies now that I did a few weeks ago. Some have disappeared altogether, but some gain ground and thats when you want to explore in r/l.

In relation to giving a branding without consent, that can fade out or grow. If it grows what then. Does the person act it out and if it does not tick all the right fantasy boxes what next?

There are some places my head does not want to go, thats one of them.

 

[shy slave]

When i first began my journey, i was naive enough to believe that as long as you consented, nothing would be illegal. Ive sinced discovered that even on boards such as this, censorship abounds.
The 'what is legal' and therefor postable, is country specific. For instance, i know of a D/s couple, when i lived in the uk, he is a vet, he 'microchipped' his sub, i thought about this recently, fantasised about it, and decided that 15 yrs on, and in a different country,id like to consider this.
Yet when i posted a question of how id go about this safely, my thread was removed as it was a illegal activity in america.

Personally, i think it is arrogant of a country's laws, to overide what we both decide to do consentually to each other. It will just push people underground, back to the days of 'back street abortions' so will branding, microchipping etc follow. If i want to do something we have chosen to do, id like to be able to post questions to a board like this, and have a miriad of responses, some resourceful, some opinionated, some anecdotal, i can proceed this way, toward a informed consent. Im really into that phrase 'informed' consent. As without the information, you lack the capacity to truly consent.
and blah blah blah.........

With regard to the original post.

I think non consentual has no place in real life. Of the people i know where branding has occured, it has been consented to. Either specifically consented to, or as part of a D/s or M/s overall arrangement, whereby the agreed dynamic is one of a 'once only for everything' consent. Such as with Masters and their slaves.

For me personally, i 'consent' to much, but it is within SS&C, anything that would be really pushing the boundry, such as branding for me, id like some 'discussion' before i gave specific permission for that event.

As a fantasy, anything goes. If i want to fantasise about the most taboo images, then i may. Inside my head, there is only me gatekeeping. I like it that way.

pandoravampire

Thanks for this Pandora.

I have heard of micro chipping animals but never considered it on humans.

I did hear about ten years ago of something similiar suggested by a right wing geneticist for those with a low IQ.

Not sure what my thoughts are on micro chipped slaves but its food for thought.

 

[blue kat]

I found the first article I'd mentioned, about micro-chipping, but since it's sort of OT to the thread, I'll post in the cafe.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thanks for this Pandora.

I have heard of micro chipping animals but never considered it on humans.

I did hear about ten years ago of something similiar suggested by a right wing geneticist for those with a low IQ.

Not sure what my thoughts are on micro chipped slaves but its food for thought.

There was also a site a year or so ago which was different to these animal chips in that it was designed to be a tracking device, not just identification, and was suggested to place in your children incase of abduction....apparently a few parents in the US had done it so safeguard their children. I would settle for the ID one but have always preferred the tracking type. Microchipping was discussed in a thread long ago, may even have been our Branding one.

Catalina