boebert says "church is supposed to direct the gov't"

[butters]

Two days before her primary election, Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, 35, preached to churchgoers at an event, "The church is supposed to direct the government, the government is not supposed to direct the church."​

"I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk. This is not in the Constitution, it was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like what they say it does," she told the Colorado Springs crowd on Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=8136fb2a6f074124a359e15ce01d87ad

she won her primary

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Legal scholars, government officials and the Supreme Court have upheld this clause as establishing what people refer to as the "separation of church and state."
The "stinking letter" Boebert alludes to is Founding Father Thomas Jefferson's correspondence with the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In his letter, Jefferson, a central figure in establishing the U.S. government, wrote that the First Amendment built "a wall of separation between Church & State."

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Applying the Constitution to Religious Liberty​

Similarly, courts have found that the principle of a "religious liberty" exists in the First Amendment, even if those words are not actually there.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The point of such an amendment is twofold. First, it ensures that religious beliefs - private or organized - are removed from attempted government control. This is the reason why the government cannot tell either you or your church what to believe or to teach.
Second, it ensures that the government does not get involved with enforcing, mandating, or promoting particular religious doctrines, even including belief in any gods. This is what happens when the government "establishes" a church. Doing so created many problems in Europe and because of this, the authors of the Constitution wanted to try and prevent the same from happening here

Can anyone deny that the First Amendment guarantees the principle of religious liberty, even though those words do not appear there? Similarly, the First Amendment guarantees the principle of the separation of church and state by implication: the separating of church and state is what allows religious liberty to exist.

https://www.learnreligions.com/separation-of-church-and-state-myth-249688

 

[jaF0]

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/christo-fascists-in-the-american-government.1569481/unread

 

[YDB95]

If your point is that Boebert is a moron, everyone already knows that. But some of her supporters are just as stupid, and the rest hate government and don't want smart people running it.

 

[eigenschwarz]

It's not just in a letter. Check out Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp#art11

Also, under Article VI of the Constitution, this treaty is basically part of the laws of the land, establishing the US as a secular nation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi

Lauren Boebert is not just an ignorant shitfountain; she's a professional Know Nothing and a Christian dominionist. She's about as American as Osama Bin Laden.

 

[Jehovah]

Boebert is the poster child for eugenics.

 

[eigenschwarz]

Boebert is the poster child for eugenics.

She's the reason we have the Establishment Clause and the concept of a wall of separation between church and state. She's too ignorant to realize that the very safeguards she rails against protect her right to hold the absolutely gonzo beliefs that she does. What she needs is for AOC to bend her over, take a riding crop to her, and beat some sense into her -- preferably while live-streaming to pornhub.

Also, if you really are Jehovah, she's your fault. You created this world and everything in it, so take some damn responsibility.

 

[jaF0]

Did BoeBoo ever say WHICH church? I'm thinking maybe she's in Westboro Baptist.

What she needs is for AOC to bend her over, take a ...

... strap-on to her.

 

[eigenschwarz]

Did BoeBoo ever say WHICH church? I'm thinking maybe she's in Westboro Baptist.

Unfortunately it's not the People's Temple. Either that, or she is but -- unfortunately for us -- never drank the Flavor-Aid.

... strap-on to her.

I'd pay to watch that. Especially if Lisa Ann reprises her role from Who's Nailin' Paylin? as a guest star.

 

[Stephen_Coyle]

Two days before her primary election, Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, 35, preached to churchgoers at an event, "The church is supposed to direct the government, the government is not supposed to direct the church."​

"I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk. This is not in the Constitution, it was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like what they say it does," she told the Colorado Springs crowd on Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=8136fb2a6f074124a359e15ce01d87ad

she won her primary

​

Applying the Constitution to Religious Liberty​

https://www.learnreligions.com/separation-of-church-and-state-myth-249688

All throughout American history, there have been Americans who did not believe in democracy or human rights.

Back in the eighteenth century there were Americans who wanted America to be a monarchy with an American Royal family ruling by royal decree.

There were others who wanted America to be a theocracy, with our laws based on religious dogma.

Fortunately, men like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington overruled the monarchists and the theocrats and they formed an American government with certain freedoms and rights guaranteed to the American People; freedoms such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to a fair and speedy trial and the right to not be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures.

It wasn’t a perfect form of government, but it was very enlightened and revolutionary for its time.

When I was a child, America had those people who didn’t believe in democracy and wanted to steer America into a Christian theocracy or authoritarian Christian dictatorship, however, those people were known as the “lunatic fringe”. They had no credibility. They had no hope of gaining any significant power or influence in our political system. Even Ronald Reagan (often considered the most rightwing of all of America’s leaders during the years of my childhood) said that, “We establish no religion in this country. We command no belief, nor will we ever. Church and State are and must ever remain separate.”

However, it was almost forty years ago that Reagan said that, and a lot has changed since then.

Newt Gingrich insisted that the Republican Party should stop negotiating and compromising with the Democrats and try to rule by brute force and intimidation. Fox “news” Channel appeared around the same time as Newt pushed the Republican Party in the ”no compromise, no negotiation” direction and acted as a megaphone to broadcast Republican propaganda and push public opinion in a very right-wing direction.
The Koch Brothers funded the Tea Party around about the same time and pushed the public discourse even further to the right. And just like Newt Gingrich, the Tea Party didn’t believe in negotiation or compromise.

They believed in public temper tantrums, brute force, threats, intimidation and “Second Amendment Remedies”.

Fox “news” Channel was assisted by Infowars and other rightwing media outlets in pushing rightwing propaganda and helping extreme Tea Party candidates win elections. This snowball of rightwing propaganda eventually led to Donald Trump becoming president of the United States and bringing us dangerously close to the end of democracy.

Trump made it quite clear that he had nothing but contempt for American democracy. Donald Trump told us that the United States Constitution is a “really bad thing” and expressed frustration that the Separation of Powers kept him from acting like a dictator.

Trump declared war on America’s Free Press and incited violence towards investigative reporters. He also took an outraged and hostile attitude towards the First Amendment.

With an openly hostile attitude towards the Constitution of the United States, Trump threatened to eliminate First Amendment protections and has suggested that he would start revoking the FCC licenses of media outlets that he doesn’t like.

And Trump started the MAGA movement, which validated and encouraged the anti-democracy tendencies of millions of other Americans. Trump made it seem COOL to hate democracy! Trump gave birth to a movement that lent credibility towards the idea of getting rid of democracy in America and setting up a Christian theocracy in its place.
This sort of thing has been tried before. It’s never turned out well.

Anyone who doubts this need only google what it was like when Catholicism became the official religion of Slovakia in the 20th century, or what it’s like right now with Islam as the official religion of Saudi Arabia.

Theocracies are always dictatorships. One religious group gets all the power, and people who have the "wrong" religious beliefs are executed, oppressed or deported.
Millions of Republicans now want to live in a Christian theocracy, where the government tells you what religious doctrines you’ll follow and what church you’ll attend and criticizing the government will get you thrown into jail.

Trump’s Supreme Court just recently declared that women do not have a right to make decisions about their own bodies and basically declared them to be breeding stock.
Millions of right-wing extremists in America are celebrating this decision.

And just a few days ago, Republican congressperson Lauren Boebert publicly said that the "church is supposed to direct the government" and that she was "tired" of the two institutions being separated.
Republicans in states like Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas are already talking about taking advantage of our pro-theocracy Supreme Court to pass laws to take away even MORE rights away from American women!

And somewhat less boisterously, they’re also talking about taking away rights from gays, lesbians, transgender people, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and atheists.

This is why Separation of Church and State is so important. The moment you start poking holes in that wall, people’s rights and freedoms start to disappear.

 

[HisArpy]

Boebert is a stalking horse and she's doing exactly what she's supposed to be doing.

And you shitforbrains geniuses are falling for it.

 

[anarchoMando]

What she needs is for AOC to bend her over, take a riding crop to her, and beat some sense into her -- preferably while live-streaming to pornhub.

I like this please make a damn good fanfic about this

 

[eigenschwarz]

I like this please make a damn good fanfic about this

"Oh, Alexandra! Persecute me harder! Harder, dammit!"

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Boebert is a stalking horse and she's doing exactly what she's supposed to be doing.

And you shitforbrains geniuses are falling for it.

Uh huh. It’s more believable that, when asked to play a game of chess, Boebert sticks a pawn up her nose.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ And the Bishops a bit further below.

 

[HisArpy]

Uh huh. It’s more believable that, when asked to play a game of chess, Boebert sticks a pawn up her nose.

Her job is to garner your hate and attention. At this she excels.

Which, even after it's pointed out to you, indicates your intelligence is less than hers when it comes to playing with chess pieces.

 

[jomar]

And you guys elected her. Good job!

 

[phrodeau]

Her job is to garner your hate and attention. At this she excels.

She couldn’t keep her restaurant open.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Her job is to garner your hate and attention. At this she excels.

Attention? Barely. Hate? Where?

Oh, I see, the ambulance chaser is arguing a strawman again.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I thought her job was to serve her constituents.

 

[jaF0]

I thought her job was to serve her constituents.

And she does that by 'ownin' da' Libs!!!'

DUH!!!!

 

[jaF0]

Dumbass DeLush .....

rump Ally Defends Christian Nationalism as 'Good and Healthy'​

Dinesh D'Souza said that "Christianity redeems nationalism and gives it a gentler, more humane and more universal thrust."


Aren't 'christians' supposed to be forgiving and understanding and merciful?

 

[HisArpy]

She couldn’t keep her restaurant open.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

And you guys elected her. Good job!

Shes a rep from a pissant district in Colorado. Doubtful anyone here voted for or even knew who she was.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

And you shitforbrains geniuses are falling for it.

You fell for 45, RAPEY, you ignorant dumbfuck.