Blurting it out....Playground style

[WboroBaptM0134]

So does money. Money destroys more families than incest does. Any lawyer, judge, or businessman could tell you that.

However, would that stop you from giving money or aid to a family member who needed it? Of course not. You would just try to be more responsible about it and trust them.

The same with incest. You don't do it with someone who's irresponsible, or someone who can't handle it, or someone untrustworthy. But, assuming for a second that two people are responsible enough to handle it, I see NO reason to stop them. And just like money, there's no way to KNOW this until you put forth the effort to try.

Its like gun laws. Yeah go ahead and assume that all the citizens are responsible. And what happens? A nation with the highest number of gun deaths BY FAR.

And no money is not comparable to incest, try again.

 

[bisolom]

So does money. Money destroys more families than incest does. Any lawyer, judge, or businessman could tell you that.

However, would that stop you from giving money or aid to a family member who needed it? Of course not. You would just try to be more responsible about it and trust them.

The same with incest. You don't do it with someone who's irresponsible, or someone who can't handle it, or someone untrustworthy. But, assuming for a second that two people are responsible enough to handle it, I see NO reason to stop them. And just like money, there's no way to KNOW this until you put forth the effort to try.

I think that is enough for tonight.
Your bullshit cup overfloweth.


Nite all,

 

[LordOfHell]

Let me put it this way: my mother was told that giving birth to me was very likely to result in her death. She angsted over the decision of whether or not to give birth to me or to ensure her own life. In the end, she wanted a baby, so she made the decision to birth me.

If she had listened to the "odds" (the fact that doing something she wanted is VERY unlikely to be beneficial), she wouldn't have had a son. She's turning 74 this year, by the way, and she's been in decent health aside from what comes with age.

Like I said before, this is the SAME argument that was used against interracial marriage. And nowadays, most people realize how shitty it is.

 

[LordOfHell]

Its like gun laws. Yeah go ahead and assume that all the citizens are responsible. And what happens? A nation with the highest number of gun deaths BY FAR.

And no money is not comparable to incest, try again.

No, again, this is a false dichotomy.

Assumng that ALL citizens are responsible is foolish.

Assuming that NO citizens are responsible is insanity.

Assuming that some citizens can be responsible with proper reasoning, is reality.

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

You know whats interesting? The mods are going into the incest thread and deleting my posts. But on some of them they are manipulating them to make it look like I'm actually praising people.

I'd say the mods are thoroughly protecting 'Incest is Best' thread.

Its really dreadful. So folks, apparently there is not free speech on Literotica.

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

Let me put it this way: my mother was told that giving birth to me was very likely to result in her death. She angsted over the decision of whether or not to give birth to me or to ensure her own life. In the end, she wanted a baby, so she made the decision to birth me.

If she had listened to the "odds" (the fact that doing something she wanted is VERY unlikely to be beneficial), she wouldn't have had a son. She's turning 74 this year, by the way, and she's been in decent health aside from what comes with age.

Like I said before, this is the SAME argument that was used against interracial marriage. And nowadays, most people realize how shitty it is.

This argument just has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

 

[LordOfHell]

Go back and read my post-what I said was that I am not entirely convinced that there is such a thing as fully consensual incest.

Why? If someone meets a half-sister they've never met before and the two fall in love, that wouldn't be consensual?

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

No, again, this is a false dichotomy.

Assumng that ALL citizens are responsible is foolish.

Assuming that NO citizens are responsible is insanity.

Assuming that some citizens can be responsible with proper reasoning, is reality.

Yes but you assume that all citizens are responsible in your argument.

I assume that some are and aren't as per the third point.

Therefore in order to encourge responsibility we should ban incest pornography.

 

[LordOfHell]

This argument just has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Yes it does. You're arguing that because a good chunk of incest is bad, then all of it is bad.

The problem is that people should choose their own risks.

Again, the same argument was used to oppress interracial love. The exact same argument.

 

[LordOfHell]

Yes but you assume that all citizens are responsible in your argument.

Nope. I never said anything of the sort.

I said that anyone who chooses NOT to be responsible should pay for their actions.

But people should NOT be punished for things they have not done.

 

[CaliGuy60]

Yes but you assume that all citizens are responsible in your argument.

I assume that some are and aren't as per the third point.

Therefore in order to encourge responsibility we should ban incest pornography.

Do you have any data that show that the prohibition on child pornography results if a decrease in incidents of child abuse? Please give me a reference. To me it's not clear one way or another.

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

Yes it does. You're arguing that because a good chunk of incest is bad, then all of it is bad.

The problem is that people should choose their own risks.

Again, the same argument was used to oppress interracial love. The exact same argument.

You're missing the point about power and control within incestous relationships. You can keep invent excuses to allow you to believe necrophilia is a positive interaction if you want, but your reasoning is skewered.

The argument against interracial relationships has nothing to do with this, and was about purity of race which is an idea that thankfully, has been almost completely defeated.

 

[MsTexas]

Anyone got change for the bus?

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

Do you have any data that show that the prohibition on child pornography results if a decrease in incidents of child abuse? Please give me a reference. To me it's not clear one way or another.

I'm not sure there are studies and then conflicting studies. Its difficult to study trends in society at large.

But the case against child pornography is different. It is never justifiable to make even one piece of child pornography because the rights of the individual involved. Therefore child pornography can never be permitted in any way at any time.

 

[LordOfHell]

You're missing the point about power and control within incestous relationships. You can keep invent excuses to allow you to believe necrophilia is a positive interaction if you want, but your reasoning is skewered.

The argument against interracial relationships has nothing to do with this, and was about purity of race which is an idea that thankfully, has been almost completely defeated.

Purity of race was only ONE reason why interracial relationships were frowned upon. However, as that idea began to die, people started arguing that socio-economic differences made cohabitation between two cultures impossible. The idea of their daughter marrying some kid from the ghetto did not appeal to many upper-middle-class white suburbanites.

Also, I don't believe in necrophilia at all. As I've stated before, because I have one fetish does not mean I have ALL of them.

And again, incest need NOT be about power and control. As I stated before, two people who happen to be related and fall in love should NOT be discriminated against. I don't agree with any children born with the union, but I would never discourage their love.

 

[CaliGuy60]

I'm not sure there are studies and then conflicting studies. Its difficult to study trends in society at large.

But the case against child pornography is different. It is never justifiable to make even one piece of child pornography because the rights of the individual involved. Therefore child pornography can never be permitted in any way at any time.

I'm not making an argument for child pornography. Your previous argument makes the assumption that removing incest pornography will have an impact on actual incest. It's far from clear that assumption is true. And I think data from child porn/child abuse would show that such a relationship does exist or not. I strongly suspect that the ban on child porn has no impact on the incidents of child abuse. (and I'm not advocating that it be lifted, don't get me wrong).

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

Purity of race was only ONE reason why interracial relationships were frowned upon. However, as that idea began to die, people started arguing that socio-economic differences made cohabitation between two cultures impossible. The idea of their daughter marrying some kid from the ghetto did not appeal to many upper-middle-class white suburbanites.

Also, I don't believe in necrophilia at all. As I've stated before, because I have one fetish does not mean I have ALL of them.

And again, incest need NOT be about power and control. As I stated before, two people who happen to be related and fall in love should NOT be discriminated against. I don't agree with any children born with the union, but I would never discourage their love.

You're focusing on the grey area. What we are concerned about is the excuse such literature enables to explore ideas which are wrong, for the purpose of titillation. That being non consent incest.

I also think your point is theoretical and not based in the reality of those experiences. True, there may be a few cases where no damage done... But that does not mean that we then sanction a form of entertainment based on such experience.

I never said you were a necrophile, please read posts more carefully.

 

[CaliGuy60]

Though in fairness, I can't say enough how much I like boobies. Braless unconstrained ones. Just love those.

Now back to our regular programming.

 

[DarkSimian]

Anyone got change for the bus?

I've got a couple of bucks.....you can gladly pay me Tuesday for a bus ride today

 

[CaliGuy60]

You're focusing on the grey area. What we are concerned about is the excuse such literature enables to explore ideas which are wrong, for the purpose of titillation. That being non consent incest.

I also think your point is theoretical and not based in the reality of those experiences. True, there may be a few cases where no damage done... But that does not mean that we then sanction a form of entertainment based on such experience.

I never said you were a necrophile, please read posts more carefully.

The problem with banning things is you really can't do it. How many things in our society that are banned actually don't exist? Or even exist less? Not many.

 

[CaliGuy60]

How about those boobies?

 

[DarkSimian]

Though in fairness, I can't say enough how much I like boobies. Braless unconstrained ones. Just love those.

amen CaliGuy

 

[Golden_Silence]

So you treat me with contempt because I'm trying to bring attention to something wrong?

That is just the point....

A victim would chose their champion - why? Ok, here is a scenario.

Your child has been kidnapped, they are across the street and you their parent, can see into the window of the house and see the man is armed. You have choices, one is an all out attack on the house and a possible outcome that could swing either way with your child being saved or them ending up with a bullet. Or you have the option of waiting and having a negotiator who has real experience in dealing with this situation. Every time, 10 out of 10, the child would chose the negotiator, but they have no say.

You, by keeping on bumping the thread are not doing anything, your point is about as valid as the cup of coffee I just drank, it serves no purpose now. However, your actions may have the opposite effect and make some incestuous parent today just for the hell of it, take it out on their kid - did you not ever think that may be the case?

The thread has been going for years, and there has been some right royal pains in the ass go at it.... Fuck, I am actually going to have to give kudos to him, but, even DirtyBear had a go at the thread and he, is a complete shit about something and will not let it go. He has been here for years and his opinion and validity here weighs a hundred times more than your pathetic couple of months ever will - my point is this, you are not here for the duration, you probably like to think you are, but you will not last.

Ok... question for you in relation to your piece above....


Where in the bible does it state in any form that you should show up at a servicemans funeral and shout your disapproval and in doing so, dishonour the person who died and their grieving family?

Oh, the new arse I'm going to tear you in this one.... How do you want it shipping back to you? UPS of Fedex? Both are viable options from the UK

 

[CaliGuy60]

Though in fairness, I can't say enough how much I like boobies. Braless unconstrained ones. Just love those.

amen CaliGuy

I mean really, that's what we are here for.

 

[WboroBaptM0134]

I'm not making an argument for child pornography. Your previous argument makes the assumption that removing incest pornography will have an impact on actual incest. It's far from clear that assumption is true. And I think data from child porn/child abuse would show that such a relationship does exist or not. I strongly suspect that the ban on child porn has no impact on the incidents of child abuse. (and I'm not advocating that it be lifted, don't get me wrong).

Maybe thats right. But with the birth of social internet groups its way to early to tell. In most respects the internet has acted as a magnifier for all human behavior types. Seeing as that even one case of abuse is to be avoided, if the internet magnifies this by allowing cooperation between abusers, then this would support my case.

I believe it does, and the recent discovery of organized pedophile rings around the world seems to back that up.

Creating a form of entertainment based on a problematic issue, is inherently wrong anyway. It can be justified to release artistic works which explore these issues, but a form of pornographic entertainment does not explore. In fact it tries to create safe haven and discourage criticisms of the said behavior.