Bad boys, bad boys...,

[VinnyVeritas]

When white cops beat a black man it is clearly proof that America (the US) has a systemic race problem.

When black cops beat a black man it is clearly proof that America (the US) has a systemic police problem.

When black cops are accused of malfeasance it is clearly proof that America has a systemic race problem.

When white cops are accused of malfeasance it is clearly proof that America has a systemic police problem.

When black and white America has a systemic crime problem they turn to the very same police for relief...

...

... I think American has a clear and systemic problem with (political) perception towards the police/crime.

 

[ll74]

The police have a problem and it manifests itself more frequently towards blacks.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

I'm sure you're forming your opinion on a statistically sound basis.


:nods:

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Or

And bear with me here...

Could it be because the press focuses more on one than the other in their fervent desire to virtue signal?

I mean, they do play to their audience more than they do to the truth and factual honesty wouldn't you agree?

The people who consume their product won't do so if the story wasn't that which they desired to read/see...

 

[ll74]

I'm sure you're forming your opinion on a statistically sound basis.


:nods:

Yes. I am. Latinos as well

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

When you pull people over based on race and perform more searches based on race, you aren't policing...

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Not to be confrontational, but it's just a study, a study with set parameters based on subjectively elected data.

"Creating this resource has been marked by challenges. Some states don’t collect the demographic information of the drivers that police pull over. States that do collect the information don’t always release the data. Even when states do provide the information, the way they track and then process the data varies widely across the country, creating challenges for standardizing the information."

...

"Becker’s outcome test is a compelling measure of discrimination. But it’s also an imperfect barometer of bias. The test can fail to detect discrimination when it’s there and can indicate discrimination when it’s not there, as we and other researchers have observed."

 

[ll74]

Not to be confrontational, but it's just a study, a study with set parameters based on subjectively elected data.

"Creating this resource has been marked by challenges. Some states don’t collect the demographic information of the drivers that police pull over. States that do collect the information don’t always release the data. Even when states do provide the information, the way they track and then process the data varies widely across the country, creating challenges for standardizing the information."

...

"Becker’s outcome test is a compelling measure of discrimination. But it’s also an imperfect barometer of bias. The test can fail to detect discrimination when it’s there and can indicate discrimination when it’s not there, as we and other researchers have observed."

It's an imperfect study that uses the best data available (as every study is). What you quote acknowledges this.

It still explains their methodology which produces fairly stark results. They perform searches more frequently on racial groups that more frequently fail to produce the items being searched for.

Most police studies are i.pwrfect because police have fought back about the true collection of data. This is why dirty cops can be fired somewhere and then just move and get hired somewhere else...without their corruption history following them around.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Does that have anything at all to do with the proclivity of certain communities to commit crimes?

I mean, acting rationally is not always (in fact, I submit that it is rarely) proof of discrimination.

When it comes to fighting crime, bias and stereotyping, especially in certain locals, are valuable tools.
As pointed out many time in many places and many ways, the law-abiding members of those communities appreciate the proactive protection of the police. It is only the Left which eschews such effective tools as "Broken Windows" policing as being some affront to racial/community relations.

 

[ll74]

Does that have anything at all to do with the proclivity of certain communities to commit crimes?

I mean, acting rationally is not always (in fact, I submit that it is rarely) proof of discrimination.

When it comes to fighting crime, bias and stereotyping, especially in certain locals, are valuable tools.
As pointed out many time in many places and many ways, the law-abiding members of those communities appreciate the proactive protection of the police. It is only the Left which eschews such effective tools as "Broken Windows" policing as being some affront to racial/community relations.

Are we talking about police or are we talking about criminals?

Racial profiling is a toolset for police....I get it. But if the people you are targeting are less likely to have what you're looking for, you're doing it wrong......so what is the reasoning?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Wow. That's tantamount to saying, are we talking heads, or tails?

We are talking COIN in this instance...

 

[ll74]

Wow. That's tantamount to saying, are we talking heads, or tails?

We are talking COIN in this instance...

The data shows that they find more contraband in cars of races they search the least when utilizing racial profiling. Why?

 

[phrodeau]

WTF is a “systemic race problem?” What racial system does it refer to?

 

[schism666]

When white cops beat a black man it is clearly proof that America (the US) has a systemic race problem.

When black cops beat a black man it is clearly proof that America (the US) has a systemic police problem.

When black cops are accused of malfeasance it is clearly proof that America has a systemic race problem.

When white cops are accused of malfeasance it is clearly proof that America has a systemic police problem.

When black and white America has a systemic crime problem they turn to the very same police for relief...

...

... I think American has a clear and systemic problem with (political) perception towards the police/crime.

they are still firing cops in memphis who weren't even at the nichols scene so your dumb theory just got blown up.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Or

And bear with me here...

Could it be because the press focuses more on one than the other in their fervent desire to virtue signal?

I mean, they do play to their audience more than they do to the truth and factual honesty wouldn't you agree?

The people who consume their product won't do so if the story wasn't that which they desired to read/see...

Years ago I read an essay in The New York Times that claimed that most liberals do not want to read anything critical of blacks and homosexuals.

We saw this with the death of Matthew Shepard in October 12, 1998. He was killed by two men he tried to pick up in a bar. This was national news. For months it was Matthew Shepard this, and Matthew Shepard that.

It was only years after the event that I leaned that in September 1999 a thirteen year old boy was raped and killed by two homosexual men. This was hardly covered in local news outlets.

Similarly, when the police kill a black criminal at the scene of his most recent crime, this is national news, and viewed as a great tragedy. Black criminals kill whites nearly every day. When this happens it is often not reported in the local news media. It it is reported, the race of the criminal is rarely mentioned.

 

[JohnEngelman]

they [sic] are still firing cops in memphis [sic] who weren't even at the nichols [sic] scene so your dumb theory just got blown up.

Go back to school and get a G.E.D. credential. It is not too late.

 

[schism666]

Go back to school and get a G.E.D. credential. It is not too late.

you're a poorly educated racist who is getting beat to death by a brown man. sucks to be you right now.

 

[JohnEngelman]

you're [sic] a poorly educated racist who is getting beat to death by a brown man. sucks to be you right now.

Say that enough times, and you might start believing it yourself. If you were as well educated as you claim you would not argue like a low class thug.

 

[ll74]

Years ago I read an essay in The New York Times that claimed that most liberals do not want to read anything critical of blacks and homosexuals.

We saw this with the death of Matthew Shepard in October 12, 1998. He was killed by two men he tried to pick up in a bar. This was national news. For months it was Matthew Shepard this, and Matthew Shepard that.

It was only years after the event that I leaned that in September 1999 a thirteen year old boy was raped and killed by two homosexual men. This was hardly covered in local news outlets.

Similarly, when the police kill a black criminal at the scene of his most recent crime, this is national news, and viewed as a great tragedy. Black criminals kill whites nearly every day. When this happens it is often not reported in the local news media. It it is reported, the race of the criminal is rarely mentioned.

And yet the OP is about police. Shocking that you want to make it about blacks and homosexuals.

 

[schism666]

Say that enough times, and you might start believing it yourself. If you were as well educated as you claim you would not argue like a low class thug.

that's ironic coming from the poorly educated racist who keeps engaging a "low-class thug."

you only called me a "low-class thug" after i told you i was a poc. that's what a poorly educated racist would be reduced to.

 

[ll74]

that's ironic coming from the poorly educated racist who keeps engaging a "low-class thug."

you only called me a "low-class thug" after i told you i was a poc. that's what a poorly educated racist would be reduced to.

Thug is used be a use other words are too far for them to go.

But yes, I noticed that as well....so strange and unexpected ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[JohnEngelman]

And yet the OP is about police. Shocking that you want to make it about blacks and homosexuals.

Blacks have more serious problems to worry about than the police.

 

[ll74]

Blacks have more serious problems to worry about than the police.

So you're.ok with deflection.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[JohnEngelman]

that's [sic] ironic coming from the poorly educated racist who keeps engaging a "low-class thug."

you [sic] only called me a "low-class thug" after i told you i was a poc. that's [sic] what a poorly educated racist would be reduced to.

Try to write like an educated person.

 

[JohnEngelman]

So you're.ok with deflection.

Thanks for confirming.

Complaining about police brutality is a deflection. Blacks have many more serious problems, and no they are not caused by whites.

 

[schism666]

Try to write like an educated person.

i can't dumb it down enough for you to comprehend. sorry, not sorry.