Trump Shreds Kamala In Rigged 3 v 1 Debate

[ll74]

I know what the question was. I asked it. I asked that question with a view toward determining their reliability. If they are owned and operated by lackeys of the elite, that doesn't help them with me.

If ownership is more important than methodology, then you're not discussing credibility and instead are discussing your own bias.

 

[InThe312]

Frankly, I don't trust anyone right now. People are going to have to earn my trust. I don't know these guys. That's a long road to hoe these days.

If you don't trust anyone then you shouldn't be posting anything that you can't back up with your own, personal, independent PRIMARY research that you conducted.

 

[SevMax2]

If you don't trust anyone then you shouldn't be posting anything that you can't back up with your own, personal, independent PRIMARY research that you conducted.

Whatever, dude. If I can verify a source, that's one thing. Sadly, most of the "fact checkers" are unreliable themselves and need to be fact-checked, too. I was using hyperbole, but you would know that if you paid any attention or used your brain for something other than filling up with simple-minded dogma. My point is simply that the ownership of the site has a great relevance as to its reliability and bias. Methodology is important, but so are the bias and the management of the site.

 

[goldytheGoldfish]

 

[RobDownSouth]

All anti-Trump propaganda sources. They don't do journalism anymore.

They're not "anti-Trump propaganda sources". They're editorial commentary (just like yours!). They simply represent that your position is not the last word on David Muir. No "journalism" here, just opinion.

 

[InThe312]

Whatever, dude. If I can verify a source, that's one thing. Sadly, most of the "fact checkers" are unreliable themselves and need to be fact-checked, too. I was using hyperbole, but you would know that if you paid any attention or used your brain for something other than filling up with simple-minded dogma. My point is simply that the ownership of the site has a great relevance as to its reliability and bias.

Cute. So who are YOUR verified, reliable sources? You dismissed two independent bias charts without "fact checking" either of them. In 5 minutes, you could have easily looked up both of the sources and made your own judgement, but you questioned their motives for no real reason in order to dismiss a statement that breitbart (of all fucking places) has multiple reliable data sources that say they lean heavily right and basically publish bull shit.

Maybe you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion. At 1:05am today, you stated multiple "facts":

"The sad thing about statistics these days is that they just aren't as reliable as they used to be because of the inherent conflict of interest between academia, government, business, etc. Government involvement and corporate interference will corrupt the findings, among other things. If a person abandons their principles to serve the State, well, it raises real questions, because the government is very prone to lie to us, as is Wall Street. Just look at Big Tobacco, for instance. They lied to us for decades. Sad to say, people are regularly doctoring stats, cooking the books, fudging the numbers, because money and power are motives to academics and scientists, too."

What sources did you use to determine that statics aren't as reliable as they used to be? I'm certain you didn't do the primary research. Why is there inherent conflict of interest in statistics? If it's not ALL statistics, because you know, hyperbole, then why not just refer to some statistics? The government is prone to lie to us? What is your source for this? Have they lied directly to you so many times that you can now characterize the government (that's a really broad group by the way) as prone to lie? Do you have documentation of all the times the government has lied to you, thus creating your own primary research study? How about Wall Street. How has Wall Street lied to you? What evidence do you possess that academia is cooking the books and doctoring statistics? Perhaps you should go public with your findings so we can root out the bad actors.

I stand by my previous statement. You, and specifically you, shouldn't be stating anything as factual because you don't have any source for your "facts" that is reliable and you're paranoid. You have developed opinions based on whatever you read in the news or on the internet or what you heard at the water cooler from someone who heard whatever on the internet, however you're not the least bit willing to admit it nor apply any critical thinking to the data and the sources that you're consuming before regurgitating completely unoriginal thought on the internet. At least have the balls to admit that you're just saying bullshit on the internet that that isn't the least bit defensible.

 

[SevMax2]

Cute. So who are YOUR verified, reliable sources? You dismissed two independent bias charts without "fact checking" either of them. In 5 minutes, you could have easily looked up both of the sources and made your own judgement, but you questioned their motives for no real reason in order to dismiss a statement that breitbart (of all fucking places) has multiple reliable data sources that say they lean heavily right and basically publish bull shit.

Maybe you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion. At 1:05am today, you stated multiple "facts":

"The sad thing about statistics these days is that they just aren't as reliable as they used to be because of the inherent conflict of interest between academia, government, business, etc. Government involvement and corporate interference will corrupt the findings, among other things. If a person abandons their principles to serve the State, well, it raises real questions, because the government is very prone to lie to us, as is Wall Street. Just look at Big Tobacco, for instance. They lied to us for decades. Sad to say, people are regularly doctoring stats, cooking the books, fudging the numbers, because money and power are motives to academics and scientists, too."

What sources did you use to determine that statics aren't as reliable as they used to be? I'm certain you didn't do the primary research. Why is there inherent conflict of interest in statistics? If it's not ALL statistics, because you know, hyperbole, then why not just refer to some statistics? The government is prone to lie to us? What is your source for this? Have they lied directly to you so many times that you can now characterize the government (that's a really broad group by the way) as prone to lie? Do you have documentation of all the times the government has lied to you, thus creating your own primary research study? How about Wall Street. How has Wall Street lied to you? What evidence do you possess that academia is cooking the books and doctoring statistics? Perhaps you should go public with your findings so we can root out the bad actors.

I stand by my previous statement. You, and specifically you, shouldn't be stating anything as factual because you don't have any source for your "facts" that is reliable and you're paranoid. You have developed opinions based on whatever you read in the news or on the internet or what you heard at the water cooler from someone who heard whatever on the internet, however you're not the least bit willing to admit it nor apply any critical thinking to the data and the sources that you're consuming before regurgitating completely unoriginal thought on the internet. At least have the balls to admit that you're just saying bullshit on the internet that that isn't the least bit defensible.

Whatever. I wasn't defending Breitbart. I was asking questions. I wasn't even saying that they're a bad site. I was asking questions. In any case, if after the repeated lies exposed in the Pentagon Papers and the Afghanistan Papers, just two obvious, glaring examples that come to mind, haven't convinced you that the government frequently lies, then I hold out no hope for you. The government is tainted, its record is tainted, and any association with it taints those who are on its payroll with at least some doubt as to their veracity. Simply put, the government has been caught so many times lying that it's easy to lose track. The lack of WMDs in Iraq, for instance. If you can't see the obvious conflict of interest inherent in the dubious partnership between institutions that should keep some distance from each other in order to preserve their impartiality, which should be clear to anyone with more brain cells than an amoeba, I wash my hands of you.

Cooking the books is nothing new, by the way. They did it in the Soviet Union to make it seem that they achieved their production goals for industry and agriculture. That's just one case in point, of course. As for Wall Street, again, I refer you to Big Tobacco, just as one glaring instance. They repeatedly lied to Congress and to the public and released false information to us. It sounds to me as if you're just naïve and don't like anyone challenging your naivete. You're like the sheep who listens to the other sheep warning about the goat leading them to the slaughterhouse, and then tells him, "You're paranoid. There's no way that our human owners will ever have us killed."

As for my assertion earlier, I'm convinced of it. I don't expect that you'll believe me, but I'm personally convinced of it. That's your problem, not mine. I don't waste time worrying about whether or not others agree with me. I never stated it plainly as "fact." I stated my perspective and my thoughts, my analysis on the issue. I never claimed that was undeniable, indisputable, proven, hard, empirical data. That was your interpretation of my words, not my words themselves.

 

[goldytheGoldfish]

President Trump Releases Statement After Shredding Kamala Harris in Rigged 3 vs 1 ABC Debate​

by Jim Hᴏft Sep. 11, 2024 7:15 am

“President Trump delivered a masterful debate performance tonight, prosecuting Kamala Harris’ abysmal record of failure that has hurt Americans for the last 4 years.

“We saw President Trump lay out his bold vision of America and how he would continue to build upon the successes of his first term by supercharging the economy,securing the border, and stopping crime from ravaging communities across the country.

“Conversely, Kamala’s vision of America was a dark reminder of the oppressive, big government policies of Joe Biden that she wants to continue. High inflation, a porous border that allows criminals and terrorists to flood across, and being soft on crime— that is what Kamala represents.

“The choice could not be more clear— President Trump was the clear winner tonight, and he will win for America when he returns to the White House.”

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ases-statement-after-shredding-kamala-harris/

Trump derails Kamala's Bullshit Wagon.

Jim Hᴏft is the founder and editor of The Gateway Pundit, one of the top conservative news outlets in America. Jim was awarded the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award in 2013 and is the proud recipient of the Breitbart Award for Excellence in Online Journalism from the Americans for Prosperity Foundation in May 2016.

He sure is, isn't he?

 

[SevMax2]

https://www.allsides.com/blog/misinformation-watch-what-real-death-toll-gaza

Okay, this is an interesting story, mostly because it's my first exposure to their analysis. While I don't know how reliable they are, they seem to be approaching this particular case at least with some eye toward objectivity and balance. That's a reassuring first impression, at least.

 

[ll74]

https://www.allsides.com/blog/misinformation-watch-what-real-death-toll-gaza

Okay, this is an interesting story, mostly because it's my first exposure to their analysis. While I don't know how reliable they are, they seem to be approaching this particular case at least with some eye toward objectivity and balance. That's a reassuring first impression, at least.

But I thought you based credibility on ownership?

Weird

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[SevMax2]

But I thought you based credibility on ownership?

Weird

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Not solely. It is relevant. But it is not the sole basis. If you bother to read the entire post, you'd know that.

 

[ll74]

Not solely. It is relevant. But it is not the sole basis. If you bother to read the entire post, you'd know that.

Of course

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

https://www.allsides.com/blog/misinformation-watch-what-real-death-toll-gaza

Okay, this is an interesting story, mostly because it's my first exposure to their analysis. While I don't know how reliable they are, they seem to be approaching this particular case at least with some eye toward objectivity and balance. That's a reassuring first impression, at least.

A lot of people on the left have uncritically accepted Hamas' casualty figures as fact. I'm glad to hear that the truth is finally coming out.

 

[SmoothAndSweet]

What was your favorite "substance" that trump fed you?

Substance you ask? gotta be the people eating little fido and meow meow

 

[SevMax2]

A lot of people on the left have uncritically accepted Hamas' casualty figures as fact. I'm glad to hear that the truth is finally coming out.

For once, we agree on something....waiting for the trumpets to blow...nope, just wind and rain here in East Texas....

 

[InThe312]

In any case, if after the repeated lies exposed in the Pentagon Papers and the Afghanistan Papers, just two obvious, glaring examples that come to mind

So, you trust a government source exposing the lies of the government. Makes sense.

Cooking the books is nothing new, by the way. They did it in the Soviet Union to make it seem that they achieved their production goals for industry and agriculture. That's just one case in point, of course. As for Wall Street, again, I refer you to Big Tobacco, just as one glaring instance. They repeatedly lied to Congress and to the public and released false information to us.

Again, YOU don't know this information from your own interviews of Soviets, big tobacco or wall street or your own research into the effects of tobacco. You got this information from from a source, probably the media. How do YOU know tobacco was lying? Maybe it was the government that was lying about tobacco as they are prone to do. Perhaps the judges were corrupt.

As for my assertion earlier, I'm convinced of it. I don't expect that you'll believe me, but I'm personally convinced of it. That's your problem, not mine. I don't waste time worrying about whether or not others agree with me. I never stated it plainly as "fact." I stated my perspective and my thoughts, my analysis on the issue. I never claimed that was undeniable, indisputable, proven, hard, empirical data. That was your interpretation of my words, not my words themselves.

No, you said "statistics aren't as reliable as they used to be". You didn't say "I don't really trust statistics because I don't believe the sources to be true" or "I don't THINK statistics are as reliable as they used to be". You stated what is a fact to you and because you wanted others to think that's a fact. It was your words, not my interpretation of them.

My point continues to be that your conjecture is not always fact and you stated publicly here that you don't trust anyone as a source. So not the government, not corporations, not academia, not the bible, etc. Since you did none of the primary research for anything you have commented on, you must have trusted some source for that information and maybe, just maybe, your bias is showing in your sources way more than you're willing to admit. Potentially anything that comes out of your keyboard could be complete bullshit, which is exactly how we get to a presidential candidate on national TV telling millions of people that they're eating pets in Ohio.

You can call me whatever juvenile names you want if it makes you feel better.

 

[SmokingFap]

A lot of people on the left have uncritically accepted Hamas' casualty figures as fact. I'm glad to hear that the truth is finally coming out.

Which truth? You are obviously and heavily biased towards Israel, which is, of course, your right. But the "truth" you believe in isn't any more reliable than other "truths". As always in situations like this, I bet the actual death toll is, as yet and maybe forever, unknown, but it is likely somewhere in between the two sides' estimates.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Which truth? You are obviously and heavily biased towards Israel, which is, of course, your right. But the "truth" you believe in isn't any more reliable than other "truths". As always in situations like this, I bet the actual death toll is, as yet and maybe forever, unknown, but it is likely somewhere in between the two sides' estimates.

You shouldn't give equal credence to the claims of a terrorist organization vs. the word of a democratically-elected government. You don't have to believe Israel uncritically, but the word of Hamas is utterly worthless.

 

[rgraham666]

President Trump Releases Statement After Shredding Kamala Harris in Rigged 3 vs 1 ABC Debate​

by Jim Hᴏft Sep. 11, 2024 7:15 am

“President Trump delivered a masterful debate performance tonight, prosecuting Kamala Harris’ abysmal record of failure that has hurt Americans for the last 4 years.

“We saw President Trump lay out his bold vision of America and how he would continue to build upon the successes of his first term by supercharging the economy,securing the border, and stopping crime from ravaging communities across the country.

“Conversely, Kamala’s vision of America was a dark reminder of the oppressive, big government policies of Joe Biden that she wants to continue. High inflation, a porous border that allows criminals and terrorists to flood across, and being soft on crime— that is what Kamala represents.

“The choice could not be more clear— President Trump was the clear winner tonight, and he will win for America when he returns to the White House.”

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ases-statement-after-shredding-kamala-harris/

Trump derails Kamala's Bullshit Wagon.

You're using SMOTI, the Stupidest Man On The Internet, as a source.

A picture of the runes you've cast would be more convincing.

 

[SmokingFap]

You shouldn't give equal credence to the claims of a terrorist organization vs. the word of a democratically-elected government. You don't have to believe Israel uncritically, but the word of Hamas is utterly worthless.

I don't trust Netanyahu any further than I could kick him, so I'll have to wait for a third party organization to get in there and surmise the damage.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Breitbart, sweet. Research has shown that Breitbart readers ski quickly down the left slope of the bell curve IQwise.

Breitbart tells the poorly educated angry white men Trump pretends to love lies they want to believe.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Let me ask the O.P. honestly:

Did you actually WATCH the debate?


Are you only saying that because you WISH that he did, in fact, "Smoke" Kamala?
Or, do you mean figuratively, as in, he figuratively blew smoke up her ass?

Or are you confusing Kamala with Biden, and granted, I'll give you that one; that previous debate is largely why Biden isn't running anymore.

But if you only like Trump because he will work with Putin to further Russia's aims- which I suspect is the actual truth- then that completely disregards his performance in the debate which even Putin himself would find concerning (in much the same way ardent Biden supporters were likewise concerned with his debate performance.)

 

[YDB95]

Let me ask the O.P. honestly:

Did you actually WATCH the debate?

Only an educated guess, but I think he probably did watch it and he probably really believes Trump won. You've been here long enough to know he always sees what he wants to see, even if it means reading the exact opposite of what's actually on the page.

 

[Rightguide]

Tipsheet

*IF* This Is True, ABC News Is About to Become Engulfed in a Major Scandal​

Matt Vespa | September 13, 2024 6:50 AM

I asked yesterday morning whether Kamala Harris’ camp got the ABC News debate questions in advance. The vice president was visibly nervous for the first portion of the debate but got into a groove, especially when she figured out that Donald Trump would take the bait she was chumming. When Trump took it hook, line, and sinker on the rally size dig, you knew he was going to be kicked off message when he had a wide berth to rip into Harris on inflation, immigration, and overall making us poorer than we were four years ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834444732174664174

Harris seemed ready for the questions, which explained her word salad responses, but she never answered any of the questions from moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis. They did fact-check Trump live, though these interruptions were peppered with fake news—no shock there. Harris was never pressed for her mountain of lies, and we know why: an ABC whistleblower is alleging that not only did the Harris camp get questions in advance, but that she was given assurances that she wouldn’t be fact-checked by the moderators either. I’m not saying this is fact, but if this is true, it’s a major scandal:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...harris-camp-got-questions-in-advance-n2644694

One thing for sure Trump was "fact checked" 7 times, Kamala, not once despite lying 20 times during the debate. The polls since the debate show that Trump did indeed win the debate as Harris' poll number were down the next day.

INGRASSIA: President Trump Handily Beat Kamala Harris In Their Debate – And The Data Proves It​

by Paul Ingrassia Sep. 13, 2024 7:45 am

Fortunately, Americans have historically been great bs-detectors. Their penchant for nonsense-detection has been vindicated in all the reliable post-debate polling. For example, when undecided voters across the seven crucial battlegrounds this cycle were asked which of the two candidates they would vote for, Donald Trump won handily among the sampled group: the 45th President’s prospects improved by three points overall after his debate performance.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff066f574-a867-4b6f-9f10-ea56af0e1fd4_1179x826.jpeg

You can read the entire assessment here and for those pitiful Harris fans bring a towel:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/ingrassia-president-trump-handily-beat-kamala-harris-their/

 

[Rightguide]

BREAKING: Former Clinton Advisor Calls For Internal Investigation Into ABC for Rigging Presidential Debate Against Trump (VIDEO)​

by Cristina Laila Sep. 12, 2024 6:40 pm

Kamala Harris has a close friendship with ABC’s bosses.

The debate moderator, Linsey Davis, was also Kamala Harris’s sorority sister.

This was never disclosed by the network.

Former Clinton advisor and pollster Mark Penn said there should be an internal investigation into ABC for debate rigging.

“I actually think they should do a full internal investigation, hire an outside law firm. I don’t know how much of this was planned in advance,” Mark Penn told the “John Solomon Reports” podcast.

“I don’t know what they told the Harris campaign. I think the day after, suspicion here is really quite high, and I think a review of all their internal texts and emails really should be done by an independent party to find out to what extent they were planning on, in effect, you know, fact-checking just one candidate and in effect, rigging the outcome of this debate. I think the situation demands nothing less than that,” he added.

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Democrats cannot be trusted,